他問我知道不知道 DALI (達力), 中國政府害怕逮撲 DALI (達力)， 所以就把他踢出中國, 並說此人是世界上最偉大的, 最令人尊敬的人 (the greatest man in the world)。我想了想，說不知道 DALI (達力) 是誰。 我問為什麽稱一個大多數中國人都沒聽說過的人為最偉大的, 最令人尊敬的人, 老大說這是因為DALI (達力) 要求 freedom and human right 從世界上最強大最頑固 (stubborn) 的政府。
我說: “我知道他是誰，你連人家的名字都拚不對，我們稱呼他為 DA LAI LA MA, 不是達力。此外，達賴喇嘛主動叛逃出中國的，不 是被踢出中國的。中國政府不喜歡他，是因為他想分裂，西藏獨立。”
老大說:”我沒有聽他說過獨立 (independence), 他說的是自由和人權 (freedom and human right)。我氣勢洶洶的說: “Do you believe me?” 老大趕快表態: “Honey, I believe whatever you want me to believe.”
第三次談及西藏問題, 是火炬在英法的時候。老大滿臉遺憾的表情從 TV room 出來: “似乎人人都在反對火炬，反對 Olympics in China 和支持西藏獨立 free Tibert。What a mess.” 我“哦”了一聲, 繼續盯著電腦屏幕。
老大接著說：“如果我是中國政府，我會說 OK to free Tibert, 讓西藏 take care of themselves，同時讓全世界人們都閉嘴。” 我吃驚的說：“絕對不可能。我想任何國家都不會主動讓出土地的，任何國家都想擴張國土。”
老大急切的說: “We do. We do give out land the other countries. ”“ ５年前我們把 **** 給了 **** (國家)。我們擁有和修建了 ****, 那個國家想要它， 我們就給他了。” 用星號代替地名與國家，是因為我沒有弄清楚。聽起來向小地名，小國家。
Study history, not the media, the truth is not to be found in the television broadcast.
----Chris D.Nebe (Monarex Hollywood company)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
serious discussion between an Australian teacher and Tibet human-right organization for fact finding:
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073
The real current Tibet (in China) situation observed by an American who had been in China for several years:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99feb/tibet.htm
Other Monks in Tibetan in Exile are oppressed by Dalai Lama, they sued to India court, discovered Dalai Lama's so-call religion Freedom:
http://www.sumatiarya.nl/voiceofDorjeShugden.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5sOm-uQH9Y
to: Bali
oh, oh, forgot the main point about australia, our lovely PM Ruddo would never tell the aborginals that they have the chance now to decide if they want to be indepedent or not (or at least split part of the australia continent from the mainland).
democracy is always limited to mainstream people.
smith34 發表評論於
to Bali:
how are u doing bro! i know indonesian a lot and really your concern is the ugly fact that occurs everywhere else, just like the chinese in indonesia does not have have much rights until now, just like papua people have no right to be indepedent and people in aceh are fighting in jungles until now for indepedence.
its a ugly world, keep pray!!!!
laojie 發表評論於
回複Bali的評論: If there is no other countries trying to manipulate Chinese (Han, Tibatan, Man...) in this despicable way, the day of voting for a united China will probably come sooner. Since you brought the issue of fairness using Australia as an example, here is a few questions you need to address on an equal basis,
1. Did/Do/Will Native Australians get to vote whether or not they want European Australians to go back to Europe?
2. Did/DO/Will Asian/Latino/African Americans get to vote for a free California/South/North?
When democracy does come to China someday, it is not just Tibet people but also all other ethnic groups in China will be able to vote. Do you realize that democracy is in general a useful tool for the majority?
"What are they protesting against? Protesting against Tibetans' right to protest against Chinese government? You think this is not hypocritical?"
These people are protesting against West media, who are lying, unprofessional,... These protest do not attack people, do not kill people, do not burn your house down, not like the criminals in recent Tibet riot. Those criminals, by the very definition of the West, have committed genocide or at the least hate crime.
If your intention is the same as mine, i.e., for a democratic society in China, your effort can focus on what can speed up the process instead of delaying the process.
Bali 發表評論於
It would probably be only few years before Australia becomes a repulican country. When Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd raised the issue with the Queen on his visit to English recently, her answer was: it is up to the Australian people. Tibetans will never be allowed to vote. You think this is fair? There have been a lot of protests by "Chinese" holding American/Australian/whatever passports recently. What are they protesting against? Protesting against Tibetans' right to protest against Chinese government? You think this is not hypocritical?
Several issues here, I like to invite your discussion for the possible answers:
1. If Tibet is independent now, will its government have a right to invite foreign troop to be deployed in its territory?
Yes, No.
2. If Tibet becomes independent in the future, will its government invite foreign troop to be deployed in its territory?
Yes, No.
3. If the independent Tibet government do invite foreign troops to be deployed in Tibet, what kind of foreign troops will be?
a. Troops from USA
b. Troops from NATO
c. Troops from India
d. A combination of several countries.
4. What will be consequences for Xinjiang if the above incidences happen as planned?
a. No riots in Xinjiang
b. More riots in Xinjiang
c. Xinjiang moving to independent too.
5. What is the consequence for the oil pipeline in XinJiang-Ganshu corridor if Tibet is deployed with foreign troops?
a. The pipeline will continue to be safe
b. The pipeline will be cuttoff
6. What will be consequences for Sichuan, such as xichang satelite lauch base?
a. will be safe as before
b. will be moved to hubei for safety
7. What will be the consequences for Inner Mongolia?
a. Move to independ
b. Stay the same as before.
8.
9.
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laojie 發表評論於
我和我的美國老公說：For better, for worse, not for free Tibet. 你試試這招看。
我不跟任和洋鬼子商討西藏獨立的理由。你和你家得看看著個油管子吧。
http://web.wenxuecity.com/BBSView.php?SubID=mychina&MsgID=255958
醜民 發表評論於
建議你老公去了解一下印第安人在美國的生活情況
blacklight 發表評論於
Big thanks for sydnee_97 who posted the linked below. I think this is the ultimate post with unbiased oponions one could ever find on internet.I admire for the author's capacity and dedication!
READ-THE-LINKED-POST! You will be better equipped.
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073
This is a quoted summary close the end of the thread posted by one forumer:
I am always troubled by the contradictory between the public speeches on some political issues given by the Dalai Lama, and the real teaching of Buddhism, which often opposes the Dalai Lama his own position as a Buddhist, and often it sounds very stupid. In other hand, as a political figure, the Dalai Lama had full of miscalculations in his whole political career. He started his political gambling in the beginning of the cold war, supported by the CIA and India, ended up in Exile in Dharamsala, India . then he tried again in 1989 during the ending of cold war, he didn’t get any thing, but empty hands. The world political power structure has been changed completely in the last twenty years, now, the Dalai Lama wants to go back to negotiate with Beijing, but he has no more cards in his hand, no effective strategy, and no power behind him this time, accept those Tibet lobbyists, who doesn’t have real better idea to help him either. As long as he continue making his confusing, some time even stupid comments, I don’t think that the leaders of Beijing will make it easier for him any time soon.
何仙姑 發表評論於
你勞工要是愛你，早就被你洗腦了。愛屋及烏嘛 你也是的。。。隻會。。
smith34 發表評論於
to 未了:
美國人骨子裏就是牛仔，歐洲人本質上就是海盜
very precise deion..........
although, are u chinese government agent? or at least you are communist party member, royal member!!!!
lianggeren 發表評論於
回複愛畢生的評論:yes, just like you. brainwashed by CCTV and GCD...
flyingwolf 發表評論於
回複HCC的評論:
Please check Tibet Exile Government's own constitution if you think Dalai dosn't want to TI. He wants not only independent in current Tibet region, but also in many other areas. Read it yourselves.
具體點的例子，可以參見最近一期 Times 的 Olympic Shame；還有美國方麵1944年（國民黨執政時期）拍的 Why We Fight: the Battle of China —— 宣傳片裏麵，西藏、新疆、外蒙古都是中國的領土；雖然，諷刺的是，那個時候，1911年到1949年間，達賴喇嘛實質上獨立運行著西藏（由於中國內憂外患，當朝政府反倒沒時間管理西藏；英國人也才趁勢和西藏獨立政府劃了麥克馬洪線，留下了如今中印邊界的爭端不斷）
這樣的態度迥異，不是很有趣麽？
summer_rose 發表評論於
跟著這麽自已為是的老美，我早瘋了。
青海 發表評論於
美國小學生每天早上宣誓：Under God, One Nation, Indivisible. 不就是美國不允許分裂麽？中國學習也應該這樣做。
HCC 發表評論於
You were wrong on the issue of Tibetan independence: Dalai Lama said repeatedly that he is not purusing TI -- the information that you gathered from the GCD is false.
Deeper 發表評論於
If your Hb realy like to know the real Tibet, please go to follow web site( all from westen resurce )
他問我知道不知道 DALI (達力), 中國政府害怕逮撲 DALI (達力)， 所以就把他踢出中國, 並說此人是世界上最偉大的, 最令人尊敬的人 (the greatest man in the world)。我想了想，說不知道 DALI (達力) 是誰。 我問為什麽稱一個大多數中國人都沒聽說過的人為最偉大的, 最令人尊敬的人, 老大說這是因為DALI (達力) 要求 freedom and human right 從世界上最強大最頑固 (stubborn) 的政府。
我說: “我知道他是誰，你連人家的名字都拚不對，我們稱呼他為 DA LAI LA MA, 不是達力。此外，達賴喇嘛主動叛逃出中國的，不 是被踢出中國的。中國政府不喜歡他，是因為他想分裂，西藏獨立。”
老大說:”我沒有聽他說過獨立 (independence), 他說的是自由和人權 (freedom and human right)。我氣勢洶洶的說: “Do you believe me?” 老大趕快表態: “Honey, I believe whatever you want me to believe.”
第三次談及西藏問題, 是火炬在英法的時候。老大滿臉遺憾的表情從 TV room 出來: “似乎人人都在反對火炬，反對 Olympics in China 和支持西藏獨立 free Tibert。What a mess.” 我“哦”了一聲, 繼續盯著電腦屏幕。
老大接著說：“如果我是中國政府，我會說 OK to free Tibert, 讓西藏 take care of themselves，同時讓全世界人們都閉嘴。” 我吃驚的說：“絕對不可能。我想任何國家都不會主動讓出土地的，任何國家都想擴張國土。”
老大急切的說: “We do. We do give out land the other countries. ”“ ５年前我們把 **** 給了 **** (國家)。我們擁有和修建了 ****, 那個國家想要它， 我們就給他了。” 用星號代替地名與國家，是因為我沒有弄清楚。聽起來向小地名，小國家。
