NBA全明星大衛·韋斯特 讚揚共產主義中國和中國文化

NBA全明星大衛·韋斯特 讚揚共產主義中國和中國文化

前 NBA 全明星大衛·韋斯特發表反美言論，讚揚共產主義中國和中國文化

Former NBA All-Star David West Goes on Anti-American Rant, Praises Communist China & Chinese Culture2020年6月26日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL3G41xQZBY

55 條評論

@xiaoliangtang9592 4 年前
這是我多年來看到的最好的自我意識演講之一。不幸的是，在美國似乎沒人關心。

@vestibulate 4 年前
我不明白這個視頻被描述為“反美言論”。這個人從人性的角度說話，對美國目前無法容忍的狀況和美國政府在國際上實施的虐待行為進行了批判性思考。而西方和日本對中國的深刻、創傷性的羞辱是該國當前立場的一個深刻因素。這不應該是一個有爭議的立場。這些都是既定事實。

@vestibulate 4年前
@DanielAyepahMensah 不。他說的是真實的國家，而不是西方宣傳機構和美國國家民主基金會虛構的那個國家。

@vestibulate 4年前
@mhaynes4759 你指的是美國政府製造並由西方新聞媒體傳播的宣傳攻勢。有關新疆拘留營和其他形式虐待維吾爾族人口的報道主要基於 Adrian Zentz 的說法，他是一名在極右圈子有著深厚根基的基督教福音派活動家。這些說法被敵對情報機構重新包裝並廣泛傳播，其目的與促進中國的政治自由事業無關。事實是：有一個由美國政府資助的維吾爾分裂主義運動，旨在破壞中國政府。這一戰略與美國對抗敵對國家的政策總體上是一致的。削弱中國是美國的政策目標，讓中國回到半殖民地狀態，像 19 世紀和 20 世紀那樣，被外國公司和國家充分剝削。中國政府已經采取措施防止國家因種族和宗教而分裂，但沒有確鑿證據表明存在西方媒體所描述的大規模拘留設施，更不用說對維吾爾族的種族滅絕了。
這裏有一些相關的閱讀材料。我擔心它會不受歡迎，但那隻是因為它代表了如今在這個問題上很少遇到的事實報道標準。
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

@Raybso247 4年前
Tom Hall 和中國對香港做了什麽？

@Raybso247 4年前
Tom Hall 有這些集中營的視頻和來自這些集中營的人的證詞。真不敢相信你居然在為中國辯護。

@vestibulate 4年前
@Raybso247 “中國對香港做了什麽？”
主張國家主權。香港是中國領土，19 世紀被英國竊取和殖民，用作西方鴉片貿易的轉口港，強加外國統治，並對該國進行全麵掠奪。香港直轄殖民地是通過最反民主的手段建立的——英國及其犯罪夥伴發動的侵略戰爭。如今，中國正在恢複香港並將其與全國其他地區整合在一起。中國正在通過循序漸進、耐心地進行這項工作，而沒有動用其掌握的龐大武力。至於華盛頓和西方媒體如此讚揚的“民主”運動，我們再次看到了新保守派控製的幹涉中國內政的努力，目的是分裂中國，使中國屈服於美國利益。目前，關於這個問題最好的英文報道是在 Grayzone 上。以下是一些例子-
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/08/08/hong-kong-western-media-yellowfacing-amnesty/

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/09/hong-kongs-far-right-us-politicians-crush-black-lives-matter/
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/22/hong-kong-opposition-unites-washington-hardliners/

@charisnanji247 4年前
令人難以置信的自我意識。我看過他的其他采訪。非常了解情況。對世界其他地區有深刻的理解。平衡的觀點。

@simonyu3121 2年前
我很震驚，一個在美國長大的人居然對中國問題有如此深刻的理解，這在西方世界非常罕見。這確實很了不起。說得非常好，很有智慧。

@VaioletteWestover 4年前
批評美國的實際問題怎麽就成了“反美”了？這難道不更像是“我的感情被赤裸裸的真相傷害了”之類的情況嗎？

@gaotyan 3年前
好吧，我是中國人，他說的話對我來說很愛國，我不認為那是反美。如果大多數人認為那是反美言論，那美國就有大問題了。

@flyingkitesatnight 4年前
非常尊重。我希望他繼續發出自己的聲音。

@netgiant2592 4年前
終於有一個受過教育的西方人（沒有雙關語的意思）能看透這些廢話了

宣傳我們一直被中國灌輸思想，所以要客觀思考。

@wilsw4369 2年前
這種視野和心態值得尊重，值得領導他們的人民！

@clearheaded5696 2年前（修改過）
我點讚這個視頻是為了韋斯特先生，而不是因為標題聲稱這是反美言論。

@TIENxSHINHAN 3年前
能這樣批評自己的國家，比什麽都更親美。

@andrewchen9221 2年前
我看了大衛韋斯特在NBA打球好幾年……偉大的球員。說得好！

@shenzhong2942 1年前
非常有根據

@leodelonix155 3周前（修改過）
一些關於中國文化的背景信息：曆史基本上是中國過去3000年來的宗教。中國人保存著一份詳盡的記錄，記錄他們曾經遭受的屈辱的曆史，這不是第一次了。每當一個民族被別的民族侵略時，都會有記錄並代代相傳，以備後世報仇。中國曆史上發生過幾次大規模的入侵，有的侵略者甚至統治了幾百年，但是沒有一次徹底征服過中國。公元前1200年左右，雅利安人入侵商朝，被中國人消滅，他們的遺骸被當作活人祭祀放在一位中國將軍的墓中。公元前121年，中國人為報複公元前200年匈奴遭受的屈辱，趕走了匈奴人。公元1279年，中國第一次被蒙古征服，89年後為報仇而結束統治。1644年，中國再次遭到滿族入侵，一直統治到1911年。這些侵略者的結局是：雅利安人被屠殺當作活人祭祀；匈奴人被趕出家園；蒙古族和滿族都是現代中國少數民族的一部分。是的，過去200年，中國再次遭受侵略和屈辱，理所當然地，這被記錄下來，以供後人報仇。
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和平，和平，和平，嗯，我真的不知道該怎麽說，但要把這個信息傳達出去，所以我隻是想說，不知道要說多久，我隻是想把這個信息說出來，但我真的想了解我們社會的本質，你知道，兩周前，每個人都在談論我們需要恢複正常，在我看來，我們一直想恢複的正常狀態，最舒服的狀態，這個國家在隔離後恢複的最舒服的狀態，就是對黑人的虐待，我們看到這種荒謬的警察重新進入黑人社區，最終導致黑人男女死亡和處決，被捕的警察殺死了布麗安娜·泰勒，這些[__]仍然沒有被關起來，我真的想了解那些試圖維持這種狀態的人，你們試圖維持一個警察可以在街上處決人的係統，即使是在人群的要求下，人們尖叫著不要這樣做請停止，你還在鏡頭前殺人，我試圖了解你的心態，因為我讓我把圖景畫得更大，因為在美國社會，很多時候發生的事情是，我們不畫大圖景，所以我們看不到更大的圖景，所以讓我給你一個更大的圖景，有一個國家在世界各地做的事情，這些事情確實為這個星球上人類生活的整體利益做出了貢獻，長瀨國家，有些國家，有些國家派出了醫療專業人員，他們派出了科學和技術，這些技術確實改變了世界各地人民的生活結果，美利堅合眾國不是這些國家之一，這些國家包括中國，包括俄羅斯，包括古巴，包括伊朗，所有這個國家主流媒體馬戲團所詆毀的國家，所以我試圖了解你的最終目的是什麽，那些在街上殘暴對待人們的人，那些過度使用權力特權當警察的人，那些騷擾黑人的行業人士，你知道這些卡蘭和凱文，現在你們所有資本家不惜一切代價資本家
利潤高於人民類型的人，你的最終目的是什麽，因為你正在做的是進一步加深美國社會對世界沒有任何積極貢獻的想法，所以事實上，當你生氣並且對黑人更加憤怒，對移民更加憤怒，對同性戀更加憤怒，對年輕一代、千禧一代和所有其他拒絕你的世代感到憤怒時，你說你是美國不偉大的所有原因，不，你就是原因，讓我解釋一下，中國人教他們的人民一些東西非常年輕，這叫做百年恥辱，現在你永遠不會聽到你所謂的學者談論這個，明白嗎，DS 叔叔，第一個玩你自己的遊戲，中國人教他們的孩子他們的年輕人
這叫做百年恥辱，百年恥辱正是在那個時期，他們說，他們教導，他們從內心深處相信，中國應該為自己感到羞恥，因為在這 100 年裏，中國為其他群體謀福利，卻損害了中國人的利益，他們教育自己的孩子，這種事情永遠不應該再發生，這是沒有意義的，永遠不應該試圖接受別人的方式，而不是自己的方式，中國人絕不應該讓自己的國家為別人服務，同時傷害自己的公民，這就是為什麽中國在過去 70 年裏崛起，它以和平的方式崛起，文化上完整，作為一個國家，它在世界曆史上一直是堅實的，所以在街上毆打黑人，在鏡頭前處決，而不是判刑，繼續宣揚和製造種族主義意識形態，繼續有一個把企業利潤置於人民之上的製度，繼續這個整個想法，即白人是對，而白人是默認的，然後白人至上主義和西方意識形態將成為地球上每個人的主菜，繼續推動這一點隻會加速這個國家的衰落，所以我想弄清楚你的動機是什麽，你到底在做什麽，因為你沒有幫助自己，在世界眼中，隻有 3 億美國人，地球上還有 70 億其他人，所以，我不明白你是怎麽想的，你知道最終目標會在這裏，問題不是黑人，問題不是人們不願意接受這些古老的寡頭政治，在我看來，隻是古老過時的思維方式和生活方式，其他國家完全拒絕現在他們不[__]和我們在一起，在大多數人眼中，美國被視為一個流氓國家，所以向我解釋一下最終目標是什麽，我隻是想讓某人澄清一下我一直在研究和研究，我了解我們在經濟上麵臨的動態，但當你滿足於你對世界是什麽樣子沒有清晰的看法或願景時，我們將如何改變它們，你麵對的是這些意識形態團夥在玩弄這種混亂，就像我們在香港和 MBA 和 [ __ ] 所做的那樣，這不會有任何進展，你瘋了嗎，中國人實際上是最有組織的進化民族，我的意思是，我不知道我們是否曾在世界曆史上見過這樣的事情，甚至在埃及人的尼羅河之外，因為他們從來沒有能夠以一種讓 14 億人在精神上情感上和精神上相互一致的方式使整個大陸文明化，我不明白你的觀點是什麽，我不明白你認為你會通過我們必須堅持美國曾經的樣子來實現什麽，而美國從來都不是大多數國家希望它成為的樣子這隻是一個你告訴自己的故事，你說服自己相信這是真的。

Former NBA All-Star David West Goes on Anti-American Rant, Praises Communist China & Chinese Culture

2020年6月26日 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL3G41xQZBY

55 Comments

@xiaoliangtang9592 4年前
One of the best self awareness speech I have been seen for years. Unfortunately, nobody seems to care in the States.

@vestibulate 4年前
I don't understand the description of this video as an "anti-American rant".  The man is speaking from a perspective of humanity and applying critical thinking to the current intolerable conditions in the US and the abuses carried out internationally by the US government.  And the deep, traumatic humiliation of China by the west and by Japan is a profound factor in the country's current stance.  This shouldn't be a controversial position.  These are matters of established fact.

@vestibulate 4年前
 @DanielAyepahMensah  No.  He's talking about the real country, not the imaginary one conjured by western propaganda outlets and the National Endowment for Democracy.

@vestibulate 4年前
 @mhaynes4759  You're referring to a propaganda offensive manufactured by the US government and disseminated by western news media.  The reports of detention camps and other forms of mistreatment of the Uyghur  population in Xinjiang are based on claims emanating principally from Adrian Zentz, a Christian evangelical activist with deep roots in far right circles.  These claims have been repackaged and widely circulated by hostile intelligence agencies for purposes which have nothing to do with furthering the cause of political freedom in China. The facts are these: there is a Uyghur separatist movement financed by the US government and aimed at undermining the Chinese state.  This strategy is in accord with American policy more generally in confronting rival nations.  The weakening of China is a policy goal of the US, returning that country to a semi-colonial status open to full exploitation by foreign companies and states, as in the 19th and 20th centuries.  The Chinese government has implemented measures to prevent a division of the nation along ethnic and religious lines, but there is no compelling evidence of large-scale detention facilities as described by western media, much less of a genocide of Uyghurs.  
Here's some relevant reading material.  I fear it will be unwelcome, but that's only because it represents a standard of factual reporting seldom encountered on the subject these days.
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

@Raybso247 4年前
Tom Hall and what is China doing to Hong Kong ?

@Raybso247 4年前
Tom Hall there’s literally videos of these concentration camps and testimonies from people from these camps. Can’t believe you’re actually defending China.

@vestibulate 4年前
 @Raybso247  "what is China doing to Hong Kong ?"
Asserting national sovereignty.  Hong Kong is Chinese territory, stolen and colonised by Britain in the 19th century, used as an entrepot for the western opium trade, imposition of foreign rule, and wholesale looting of the country.  The Crown Colony of Hong Kong was created through the most anti-democratic means imaginable- a war of aggression by Britain and its partners in crime.  China today is in the process of recovering and integrating Hong Kong with the rest of the country.  It is doing so through gradual steps, patiently, without employing the massive force at its disposal.  As for the "pro-democracy" movement so lauded in Washington and the western media, once again we're looking at a neo-con controlled effort to interfere in China's internal affairs, with the aim of fragmenting and subjugating the country to US interests.  At the moment, the best English language reporting on this issue is to be found at the Grayzone.  Here are some examples-
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/08/08/hong-kong-western-media-yellowfacing-amnesty/

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/09/hong-kongs-far-right-us-politicians-crush-black-lives-matter/
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/22/hong-kong-opposition-unites-washington-hardliners/

@charisnanji247 4年前
incredible self awareness. i’ve seen his other interviews. so incredibly well informed. deep understanding of other parts of the world. well balanced view.

@simonyu3121 2年前
I am very shocked that a man grown in US world could have such a deep understanding on matters related to China, which is very rare in western world. Indeed this is Amazing. Very well said and wise words.

@VaioletteWestover 4年前
How is criticizing America for its real problems "anti america"? Is this not more of a case of "my feelings are hurt by the raw truth" type of situation?

@gaotyan 3年前
well I'm Chinese，what he said is pretty Patriotic to me，i dont think that is anti America. America has got big problem if most people consider that as anti America speech.

@flyingkitesatnight 4年前
Much respect. I hope he keeps using his voice.

@netgiant2592 4年前
Finally an educated westerner (no pun intended) who can see past the bs propaganda we are constantly fed on China and think objectively.

@wilsw4369 2年前
This is the vision and mentality that deserves respect, deserves leadership for their people!

@clearheaded5696 2年前（修改過）
I gave a like click to this video for Mr. West and not for what the title claimed it as an anti America rant.

@TIENxSHINHAN 3年前
Being able to criticize your country like this is pro American more than anything.

@andrewchen9221 2年前
I watched David West played in the NBA for years…great player. Well said truth!

@shenzhong2942 1年前
incredibly based

@leodelonix155  3周前（修改過）
Some background information about Chinese culture: history is basically the religion of China throughout the past 3000 years. It is not the first time that Chinese people kept a well documented history of the humiliation it has ever suffered. Whenever the nation was invaded by other nations, it would be well documented and passed down for generations for the sake of future avenge. There were several mass invasion in the history of China, some invaders even reigned for several hundred years, but none of them had completely conquered China. In around 1200BC, Aryan people invaded Shang dynasty, and was wiped out by Chinese. Their remains found in the tomb of a Chinese general as human sacrifices. In 121 BC, Chinese avenged Hun’s humiliation in 200 BC and drove the Hun people away. In 1279AD, China was conquered by Mongolia for the first time, and avenged by ending the reign 89 years later. In 1644, China was again invaded by Manchuria and was reigned until 1911. The outcome of these invaders: Aryan people were massacred as human sacrifice; Hun were driven away from their homeland; Mongolian and Manchurian people all survived as part of minority ethnic groups in modern China. Yes, the past 200 years, China has suffered again invasion and humiliation, and by default, this is documented for future generations to avenge.
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peace peace peace um I don't really know
how to say this but get this message out
so I'm just going to talk don't know how
long it's gonna be I just want to get
this out but uh I'm really trying to
understand the nature of our society you
know two weeks ago everybody was talked
about we need to get back to normal and
to me it seemed that the normal that we
have wanted to get back to the most
comfortable thing the most comforting
thing that this nation is sort of
reverted back to after this quarantine
has been the abuse of black people we
saw this sort of ridiculous
reintroduction of policing into black
communities ultimately leading to the
death and execution of black men and
women arrested cops that killed Brianna
Taylor these [ __ ] still aren't
locked up and I'm really trying to
understand what the people who are
trying to maintain things like this
you're trying to maintain a system where
police officers can execute people in
the street even at the request of the
crowd and people screaming don't do it
please stop it and you still kill
somebody on camera I'm trying to
understand what your mindset is because
I let me paint the picture bigger
because what happens a lot of times in
American society is we don't paint big
pictures so we don't see the larger
picture so let me give you the larger
picture there's a nation that is doing
things around the world that are
literally contributing to the overall
benefit of human life on this planet
there Nagase Nations there are nations
there are nations that are sending out
medical professionals that are sending
out sciences and technologies that
literally changing the life outcomes of
people around the world the United
States of America is not one of those
countries these countries include China
it includes Russia it includes Cuba it
includes Iran all nations that the
mainstream media circus in this country
vilifies so I'm trying to understand
what your end game is here the people
who are brutalizing people in the
streets the people who are over using
their power privileges by being police
officers the people that are industries
harassing black people you know these
Karan's and Kevin's now all of you
capitalists at all costs capitalists
profit over people type folks what is
your endgame here because what you're
doing is you're furthering the idea that
American society has nothing positive to
contribute to the world so in fact as you get mad and more angry
at black people more angry at immigrants
more angry at gay people more angry at
the young generations the Millennials
and all these other generations that are
rejecting your [ __ ] and you say you
all the reason that America is not great
no you are the reason let me explain
something the Chinese teach their people something
very young it's called the hundred years
of shame now you'll never hear your
so-called scholars talk about this
understand uncle DS the first one
putting your own game the Chinese people
teach their children their young people
something called a hundred years of
shame the hundred years of shame is the
period in which they say and they teach
and they believe this to their core that
China should be ashamed of itself
because in this 100 years China worked
to the benefit of other groups and
against the benefit of the Chinese and
they teach their children that this
should never ever ever ever happen again that had no point ever
should try to accept the ways of other
people over their own that no way should
the Chinese people ever allow their
nation to work better for other people
all while doing harm to their own
citizens this is why China has risen in
the last 70 years the way it's risen
peacefully intact culturally and solid
as a nation has ever been in the history
of the world so the idea that somehow
beating up black people in the street
executing people on camera over
sentencing people continuing to purport
and produce racist ideology continuing
to have a system that puts profits for
businesses over people continuing this
whole idea that white people are right
and white people at the default and then
white supremacy and Western ideology is
to be the main course meal for everybody
on the planet continuing to promote this
is only speeding up the decline of this
nation so I'm trying to figure out what
your motive is that what is it that you
are doing because you are not helping
yourself in the eyes of the world there
are only 300 million Americans there are
7 billion other people on this planet so
I don't understand what you think you
know the end goal is gonna be here the
problem is not black people the problem
is not folks haven't been willing to
accept these old oligarchical
preed in my and mine and my opinion just
old ancient outdated ways of thinking
and living that other nations wholly
reject now they're not [ __ ] with us
right in most in the eyes of most people
around this world America is seen as a
rogue state so explain to me what the
end goal is here I'm just trying to get
clear someone who's I'm constantly in study
constantly and research I understand the
dynamics that we're facing economically
but how are we gonna change them when
you content when you you don't have a
clear view or vision of what the world
looks like in the world that you're
facing these ideological gangs playing
this mess like we did with Hong Kong and
MBA and [ __ ] ain't gonna go nowhere are
you crazy the Chinese are literally the most
organized evolved people I mean I don't
know if we've ever seen anything like
this in world history even beyond the
damn Nile River in the Egyptians because
they were never able to to civilize the
entire continent in a way that one point
four billion people are in mental
emotional and spiritual agreement with
one another I don't understand what what
your point is I don't understand what
you think you're gonna accomplish by we
gotta hold on to what America was and
that America never was anything that
most nations want it to be it's just a
story that you've told yourself and you
convinced yourself as real