這兩天轟動英國的離婚案

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11463632/Delayed-divorce-battle-Ecotricity-founder-Dale-Vinces-New-Age-traveller-ex-wife-wins-payout.html

Delayed divorce battle: Ecotricity founder Dale Vince's New Age traveller ex-wife wins cash fight

Kathleen Wyatt wins right to take her former husband, wind farm entreprener Dale Vince, to court despite not lodging a claim until nearly 20 years after their divorce

 
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Dale Vince and ex-wife Kathleen Wyatt Photo: (PA/National)
 

The ex-wife of a former new-age traveller who later became multi-millionaire wind farm entrepreneur has been told she can bring a claim for financial support from his fortune more than 30 years after their marriage broke down.

Dale Vince, owner of the green energy provider Ecotricity, described the Supreme Court ruling as “mad” and said it would leave people “looking over our shoulders” for decades in case a former partner came after them for a share of money they made later in life.

Divorce lawyers described the ruling in favour of Kathleen Wyatt as “unprecedented” and said it meant spouses could keep their options open “indefinitely” before staking a claim.

But while some said it could “open the floodgates” to “many thousands” of divorces in which financial orders were never finalised being revisited, others said the “extraordinary circumstances” of the case meant it would have only limited implications.

 


Dale Vince has made a fortune from his company Ecotricity

Issuing the judgment, Lord Wilson, sitting with four other Supreme Court Justices, emphasised, crucially, that there is no time limit in law for spouses to make a claim for financial provision.

But he said Ms Wyatt’s case claim, which will now be heard by the Family Court, faces “formidable difficulties” because of her delay in making a claim and the fact that she played no part in his later success.

The court heard how the pair lived together as a couple for just over two years. They met in 1981 when Mr Vince was 19 while Ms Wyatt, who was two years older, already had a daughter, Emily, who is now 36.

They married that December and had a baby boy, Dane, in May 1983. But Mr Vince moved out the following year – although Ms Wyatt insists they did not finally separate until some years later.

He then embarked on eight years of travelling, first in old ambulance-turned-camper van, later switching to a converted fire engine, in which he drove to Spain, where he lived for a year with a new partner.

Ms Wyatt went on to have to more children with another man, living what the judgment describes as a “hand to mouth” existence on benefits and some earnings from low-paid jobs.

 


Mr Vince takes part in the Brighton to London Future Car Challenge

During the subsequent years they met up at Stonehenge, Glastonbury and elsewhere but eventually divorced in 1992. He was not required to pay maintenance because it was agreed he had no money.

But his experience of rigging up an old pylon into a wind-powered telephone at the Glastonbury Festival shortly afterwards paved the way for founding, in 1996 of his wind energy firm. It is now worth an estimated £57 million.

It was not until 2011 that Ms Wyatt lodged a claim for financial support, arguing that he had failed to provide for their son, and her daughter, whom he had effectively accepted into the family.

Although initially given the go-ahead, the claim was blocked by the Court of Appeal which found it had “no real prospect of success” and was an “abuse of process”.

Dale Vince: the wind farm tycoon

But the Supreme Court overturned that decision, noting a requirement under the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 to have regard to contributions from each of the parties “to the welfare of the family”, including caring for children, even after a separation.

Lord Wilson said the application had a “real prospect” of “comparatively modest success” and dismissed Ms Wyatt’s claim for a £1.9 million payout as “out of the question”.

Ms Wyatt, 55, said "It's an important judgment."

But Mr Vince, 53, said: "I feel that we all have a right to move on and not be looking over our shoulders. This could signal open season for people who had brief relationships a quarter of a century ago ... it's mad in my opinion."

Mei-Ling McNab, a partner at Brachers says: “This landmark case could open the floodgates for individuals whose former spouses embark on a rags to riches story.”

James Brown, at JMW Solicitors said that he expected "many thousands" of individuals to explore the possibility of also making financial claims against their former partners as a result of the Supreme Court's ruling in Mrs Wyatt's favour.

"The case underlines how there is no limit on when someone can make a claim,” he said.

"It doesn't matter whether you divorce in your twenties and return with a claim when you're 80."

Catherine Thomas, at Vardag’s, said: “I expect a number of similar cases to emerge now the court has ruled that - in effect - a claimant can keep their options open indefinitely.”

But Michael Gouriet, a partner at Withers said: "The extraordinary circumstances of this case make it an extremely rare beast and, as such, it will not open the floodgates on historic claims being reopened and appealed.”

And Julian Ribet at LMP said: “This decision does not mean that all ex-spouses can reopen their financial settlements to have a second bite at the cherry to obtain more.

“It illustrates the importance of obtaining proper legal advice and ensuring that at the time of the divorce the parties obtain a binding court order dealing with the division of their assets.”

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看事實,不要隨便總結法律原理。 -檸檬椰子汁- 給 檸檬椰子汁 發送悄悄話 (354 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:09:59

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不過英國法院傾向去劫富濟貧,給國家的social benefit 做貢獻,如果她拿到一筆錢,以前的福利可能要返回 -lookatme..- 給 lookatme.. 發送悄悄話 lookatme.. 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:18:31

為事主爭權利叫貪婪?劫富濟貧? -檸檬椰子汁- 給 檸檬椰子汁 發送悄悄話 (461 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:38:12

我哪裏說貪婪,借這個案子提醒不付或少付孩子maintenance的,這些舊賬會come back to bite you -lookatme..- 給 lookatme.. 發送悄悄話 lookatme.. 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 06:46:11

不管有錢沒錢,做人第一條是要有人心,有人形,有仁性,活得才放心,舒心, -wolfkiller8- 給 wolfkiller8 發送悄悄話 wolfkiller8 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:09:49

等於沒說 -lookatme..- 給 lookatme.. 發送悄悄話 lookatme.. 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:17:20

嗯,是的, -wolfkiller8- 給 wolfkiller8 發送悄悄話 wolfkiller8 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:29:27

沒錯-當時草草同意他不用負責估計也沒有經過律師建議。撫養孩子的責任是不可推卸的。 -mandywu99- 給 mandywu99 發送悄悄話 mandywu99 的博客首頁 (288 bytes) () 03/13/2015 postreply 14:39:53

說轟動,隻是這個案例的男主角是個一夜暴富的奇葩, -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (569 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:17:41

美國各州對於撫養費追訴的法律不同,起碼加州沒有時間限製。 -檸檬椰子汁- 給 檸檬椰子汁 發送悄悄話 (325 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:21:54

樓主發帖的本意可能是想說,有錢的主們(英國的)當心了,小心前配偶來挖你的錢, -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (66 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:45:24

我所在的州孩子成年之後10年。但是要有離婚時候的協議已經定好的數額加利息。 -路是走出來的- 給 路是走出來的 發送悄悄話 路是走出來的 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:09:31

這個案子還有一個看點是 -lookatme..- 給 lookatme.. 發送悄悄話 lookatme.. 的博客首頁 (321 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 07:56:09

不知道英國如何,但美國是要有正式收養手續,才能成為法律意義上的繼父子關係,否則社會學意義的繼父對繼子沒有撫養責任。 -wolfkiller8- 給 wolfkiller8 發送悄悄話 wolfkiller8 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:05:51

看來你這次報了上麵的一箭之仇,哈。 -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (81 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:28:39

哈哈,我是改正錯誤,不亂說廢話了。 -wolfkiller8- 給 wolfkiller8 發送悄悄話 wolfkiller8 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:32:11

He has to adopt her separately -檸檬椰子汁- 給 檸檬椰子汁 發送悄悄話 (839 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:08:59

在英國,如果你和帶孩子的單親母親同居了,你必須保證那個孩子的wellbeing -lookatme..- 給 lookatme.. 發送悄悄話 lookatme.. 的博客首頁 (117 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 11:00:45

等於沒說 -檸檬椰子汁- 給 檸檬椰子汁 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 11:59:56

難道和親生母親結婚,還沒有父親的資格麽?這是美國 -慧惠- 給 慧惠 發送悄悄話 慧惠 的博客首頁 (411 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:01:31

你沒看懂,打回去重看。:) -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:22:28

哪裏沒看懂? -慧惠- 給 慧惠 發送悄悄話 慧惠 的博客首頁 (321 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:32:37

你混淆了一般的custody right和正式的adoption的區別,看這裏: -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (143 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:36:57

你隻有正式adopt 繼子, 才徹底沒有生父(母)什麽事,在英國是這樣的: -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (632 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:00:06

Adoption是正式程序,一般都是accept,中文稱既成事實 -lookatme..- 給 lookatme.. 發送悄悄話 lookatme.. 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:10:43

不要再討論下去了,秀才遇到兵,俺逃了。:) -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:15:58

搞得我也懶得深究下去 -慧惠- 給 慧惠 發送悄悄話 慧惠 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 13:36:41

你是沒有把法律上的監護權和法律上的父親區分開來, -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (523 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 14:19:09

我沒區分開,是根據這個案子的緣由,我不明白,是因為不懂為什麽爭議這麽大 -慧惠- 給 慧惠 發送悄悄話 慧惠 的博客首頁 (716 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 14:59:35

俺隻負責解釋你上麵提到的legal custody的疑問,其它的看檸檬大俠是否在方便的時候予以解答。 -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 15:29:12

就是他的回答莫名其妙,我才有了這些提問。人家沒要遺產和贍養費,adopt還是不adopt有什麽關係 -慧惠- 給 慧惠 發送悄悄話 慧惠 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 16:10:37

謝謝撈月,所以這個富翁有對前麵那個女孩,不是他親生的撫養義務,特別是他經濟情況好轉的情況下 -lookatme..- 給 lookatme.. 發送悄悄話 lookatme.. 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:25:15

你弄混淆了吧,俺沒有說支持你的觀點啊。如果他對那女孩有正式的adoption, 則是另外一回事。 -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (171 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 12:32:39

其實這篇文章對將來會不幸離婚的人們兒最值得吸取教訓的就是最後那個聰明人奉送那個takeaway: -水中撈月- 給 水中撈月 發送悄悄話 水中撈月 的博客首頁 (364 bytes) () 03/12/2015 postreply 08:41:19

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