傑瑞·格雷揭秘中國民主製度

傑瑞·格雷揭秘中國民主製度

傑瑞的中國觀 2025年10月17日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNW0isuvzvU

在本期節目中，我們與長期觀察中國的傑瑞·格雷一同探討西方媒體報道之外，中國治理和問責機製的運作方式。我們將聆聽一位農民工改變數百萬人命運的勵誌故事，並了解領導力、政策和公共服務在基層的實際運作方式。

你可能經常聽到這樣的故事：中國是一個殘酷的獨裁政權，而西方民主國家則賦予人民真正的發言權。但故事的轉折點在於：在西方，政客們通常要聽命於富有的捐贈者，而在中國，領導人無法被收買，他們往往關注大多數人的需求。

今天，我們再次邀請到長期觀察中國的傑瑞·格雷，與我們一起探討代表製是如何運作的，並聆聽一位農民工通過努力改善數百萬人生活的耐人尋味的故事。這是一個隻有在中國才會發生的故事。
所以，西方國家經常把中國描繪成一個獨裁政權。

中國如何看待自己？它的政治體製實際上是如何運作的？“全過程民主”的概念在中國的語境下意味著什麽？他??們稱之為“全過程人民民主”。

是的。我個人希望他們不要使用“民主”這個詞，因為不是這個詞錯了，而是西方誤解了這個詞。在英語中，“民主”的意思是“一人一票”。那是民主。那根本不是民主。

我看到有人這樣描述中國民主，認為它是一個過程，有結果，而西方的民主僅僅是一個過程，僅此而已。中國是一個獨裁政權。毫無疑問。這是寫進憲法的。中國是無產階級專政。

這意味著“人民”這個名字，“人民”這個詞在中華人民共和國，在全國人民代表大會、中國人民政治協商會議、全國政協，“人民”這個詞總是出現。人民武裝警察部隊、中華人民共和國、人民解放軍、
人民解放軍、海軍、空軍。“人民”這個詞經常出現。

這意味著人民告訴政府他們希望如何被管理。這是通過全國人民代表大會來實現的。全國人民代表大會不是由黨員組成的。我認為60%的代表都不是共產黨員。嗯，他們還有其他黨派。是的。這些其他黨派是合作的，而不是對抗的。所以他們不像兩黨製，一個黨掌權後說，我們要在四年、三年或五年後做到這一點，這取決於你們的憲法。另一個黨掌權後說，我們要廢除它。這在中國不會發生。所以從這個方麵來說，連續性非常非常好，人們需要理解這一點。現在你可以說習近平是個獨裁者。他根本不是。

習近平是由全國人民代表大會任命的，全國人民代表大會可以罷免他。他們任命他，也可以罷免他，這寫在憲法裏。所以當人們說她是獨裁者時，他們不明白是誰在對他發號施令，那就是人民。所以，整個過程中，人民民主運行得非常好，我和大多數批評中國的人一樣，對此持最大的懷疑態度。我不認為這是真的，這不是真的。大約三年前，我因為我的YouTube視頻而被選中。後來我才知道，正是因為我的YouTube視頻，廣東省人大副主任選中我與廣東電視台合作，製作一係列關於廣東民主進程的電視節目。而這個過程是由廣東電視台負責的。他們帶我去了廣東境內的不同地方，讓我可以問任何我想問的問題。

他們給了我一個劇本，你知道，當我和個人談話時，我可以問任何我想問的問題。

但我手頭有一個劇本，基本上是關於我在那個地區所關注的民主的各個方麵。所以劇本在那裏，但我可以修改。我的意思是，這不是傑瑞說了算的情況。

而是傑瑞，給你一些指導方針。所以隻要不超出這些指導方針，我想說什麽就說什麽。但我沒有被要求說的任何話，我本來就不會說。所以我被賦予了編輯的自由。我看了之後，拍了六集，下個月，也就是10月16日和17日，我們會拍下一部。我會再次和他們一起拍攝另一集，我想應該是最後一集了。我甚至不確定我們會去哪裏，但我們會去廣東省的一個地區，看看民主的運作方式，就像這樣。所以我會給你舉一個鄭的例子。

安，我居住的城鎮，我居住的城市。

一位女士是全國人大代表，17歲時才剛從甘肅來到約翰·桑丹迪。她幾乎沒有什麽正式學曆，也沒上過大學。當時她17歲快18歲了，我不確定是她的朋友還是姐姐邀請她來這裏，因為甘肅的中安鎮有工作。甘肅位於中國西北部，與新疆、上海等西部城市接壤。所以她從中國農村來到中安鎮，一到這裏就找到了一份工作，這就是我這麽喜歡她的原因。我剛到澳大利亞時，她找到的工作和我一模一樣。

她最初在一家服裝廠的門口工作。白天，她是一名保安，負責檢查工廠生產線的進出情況。所以，在休息日，她一個月隻能休兩三天。她沒有時間自己安排時間，而是去工廠學習縫紉和機器操作。這對她很有幫助，因為她可以利用業餘時間使用機器為自己製作東西，同時也學會了如何操作機器和在工廠工作。

她被提拔為機器操作員，後來成為高級機器操作員。後來，她被提拔到質量控製部門，因為她在業餘時間嚐試研究質量控製的各個方麵，並改進了一些服務流程，因此她被提拔負責質量控製。

最終，她成為了工廠的運營經理，我認識她的時候她就是這個職位。但這並不是她進入全國人民代表大會的原因。她在這段時間裏做了什麽？我們說的是20年。她結婚了，生了一個兒子。在早期，她的兒子——所有流動人口、務工人員的孩子——被迫要麽回家和祖父母住在一起，要麽他們的母親被迫回家，這樣他們就可以在他們學校所在的當地學校免費接受教育。所以，他們的戶口在甘肅。她被迫帶著孩子回到甘肅。她不想這樣。所以，她聯係了當地的學校，問：“我怎麽才能讓我的兒子進你們學校？”

當兒子快到入學年齡時，他們說：“真的不行。

如果要去上學，你必須付錢。”她付不起錢。於是，她說：“那麽，我可以去你們學校做誌願者嗎？”是的，我們需要誌願者。我們需要有人在校門外管理學校的交通，包括放學和放學時間。她做了這些，然後又在食堂做了一些其他的誌願者工作，還幫了學校一些忙。最後他們同意了，你的孩子可以來我們學校了。她必須通過各種各樣的考驗，有些是火圈，有些是很難突破的障礙，才能達到目的。所以她把所有事情都記錄下來了。

這是她做保安時養成的習慣，她會記錄所有事情。她記錄了整個過程。然後有人問她：“你到底是怎麽把你的孩子送到當地學校的？我們得把孩子送回去和祖父母住。”

她說：“嗯，是的，就是這樣。我記錄下來了。”她把記錄記了下來，打印出來，還複印給朋友們看。中安社區有人聽說了這件事，說我們能不能把這個印出來發給其他工廠？當然可以。

後來，省人大有人看到或聽說了這件事，就說你想不想加入省人大，這樣就能在各地推廣。她當然同意，於是就成了廣東省人大代表。全國人大有人說，你覺得能在全國推廣嗎？於是她就成了全國人大代表，每年都去北京參加各種大型會議，她還見過習近平主席之類的。甘肅一所學校的一位女孩成了全國人大代表，因為她有一個想法，讓中國的每一位農民工都能從中受益。這就是人民民主的運作方式。

這是一個製度。這麽多年來，很多農民工一直抱怨這個“勾搭”製度，它迫使他們與子女分離。中國媽媽愛自己的孩子。她們不想一年有九到十個月都和孩子分開。她們根本不想這樣。但這就是當時發生的事情。

現在因為這位女士，情況不必如此了。所以，這隻是一個例子，還有很多其他的例子。法律會改變，但改變很小。你知道，地方政府會改變，然後地區政府也會改變。

國家政府會說這是個好主意，然後中央政府或市政府會說這很棒，然後
事情就是這樣發展的，這就是整個過程，人民民主的運作方式。感謝Jerry與我們分享這些引人入勝的見解。幾天後，我們將深入探討Cherry的個人經曆：是什麽讓他第一次來到中國，為什麽他最初如此掙紮，以及是什麽讓他最終愛上了這個幅員遼闊、複雜而迷人的國家。

他親眼目睹了這一切，甚至騎行數千公裏穿越中國，才真正了解中國。

今天就到這裏。如果您喜歡這段視頻，請不要忘記點讚、分享和訂閱，這樣您就不會錯過下一次的精彩內容。下期視頻再見。

China Democratic System Exposed with Jerry Grey

Jerry's Take on China  2025年10月17日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNW0isuvzvU

In this episode, we sit down with longtime China observer Jerry Grey to explore how governance and accountability function in China, beyond Western headlines. Discover the inspiring story of a migrant worker who changed millions of lives, and learn how leadership, policy, and public service actually operate on the ground.

You've probably he usual story that China is a brutal dictatorship while western democracies give people a real voice. But here's the twist. In the West, politicians often answer to wealthy donors while in China leaders can't be bought and tend to focus on the needs of the majority.

Today we are joined once again by Cherry Gray, a longtime China observer to explore how representation actually works and to hear an intriguing story of a migrant worker whose efforts helped improve life for millions. It's a story that could only happen in China.
So Jerem in the west China is often portrayed as a dictatorship.

How does China view itself? How does its political system actually function? And what does the concept of whole process democracy mean in the Chinese context? Whole process people's democracy they call it. 

Yeah. I I personally wish they wouldn't use the word democracy because it's not that the word is wrong but the word is misunderstood in the west. In English language the word democracy means one vote one person. That's democracy. That's not democracy at all.
Um I've seen it described as Chinese democracy is a is a process and with outcomes whereas democracy in the west is simply a process nothing more. China is a dictatorship. No question about that. It's written into the constitution. China is a dictatorship of
the proletariat. That means that the name people, the word people in the People's Republic of China, in the National People's Congress, in the Chinese political people commission, the the CPPC, the word people comes up all all the time. the People's Armed Police, the People's Republic of China, the People's uh Liberation Army, the
People's Liberation Army, Navy, Air Force. The word people comes up a lot.

And what it means is the people are telling the government how they want to be managed. And that's done through the National People's Congress. The National People's Congress is not made up of party members. I think 60% of the Congress are not Communist Party members. um they they have other parties. Yes. And those other parties are cooperative, not confrontational. So they it's not like the two-party system where one party gets in power and says we're going to do this four years later, 3 years later, or 5 years later,
depending on your constitution. another party gets in power and says we're going to undo this. That doesn't happen in China. So in that respect, continuity is very very good and people need to understand that. Now you could say that Xi Jinping is a dictator. He's not at all. 

Xi Jinping is put into place by the National People's Congress and the National People's Congress can remove him. They put him in place and they can remove him and that's written
into the constitution. So when people say she is a dictator, they they fail to understand
who dictates to him and that is the people. So whole process people's democracy works incredibly well and I was the biggest skeptic of it like most of the people who criticize China I was nah that's not true that's not true I was selected about three years ago because of my YouTube I I found out later it was because of my YouTube the deputy director of the Guangong People's Provincial People's Congress selected me to work with Guandong television to make a series of TV shows about the process of democracy in Wandong. And that process was managed by uh Guong television. They took me to various different locations inside of Guandong and allowed me to ask whatever questions I want. 

They gave me a script and you know when I was talking to individuals I could ask whatever
questions I wanted. But I had a script which was basically about whatever aspect of democracy I was looking at in that region. So the the script was there but I was able to rework the script. I mean it wasn't a case of Jerry say this.

It was a case of Jerry here's some guidelines for you to say. So I would say whatever I wanted to say as long as it stayed within those guidelines. But there there was nothing not a single thing that I was asked to say that I wouldn't have said anyway. So I was
given editorial freedom of this. So the I looked at and we made six episodes and we're making another one uh next month on the 16th 17th of of October. I'm going with them again to make another episode uh which I think will be the final one and I'm not even sure where we're going but we're going to a regional part of Guandong province to look at how a part of democracy works and it works like this. So I'm going to give you an example from Jongan, the town that I live in, the city I live in.

A lady who was a member of the National People's Congress, had come as a 17-year-old school lever, had come from Gansu to John Sandandy. She had very little in the way of formal qualifications. She didn't go to university. She was 17 turning 18 and her friend or sister I'm not sure had asked as asked her to come and join her because there was work in Jongan from Gansu. Gansu is way out in the northwest of China borders with Shinjang and Shanghai and places like that way out west. So she'd come from rural China into Jongan and when she arrived here she got a job and this is why I liked her so much. She got a job exactly the same as me when I arrived in Australia.

She started her life on the front gate of a clothing factory. During the daytime, she was a security guard checking things coming in and going out of the factory line. So on her days off, she would only get two or three days off a month. Instead of having the time
keeping the time to herself, she would go into the factory and she learned how to sew. She learned how to use the machines. Now, that helped her because she was able to use the machines in her own time to make stuff for herself, but she also learned how to operate the machines and work the factory.

She was promoted to a machine operator and she became the senior machine operator. She was then promoted to quality control because in her spare time she had tried uh looking at different aspects of uh quality control and she improved some services processes that they had and so she was promoted to be in charge of the quality control.

Eventually she ended up as the operational manager of the factory and that's what she was when I met her. But that's not why she was in the National People's Congress. what she'd done during this period of time, we're talking about a 20-year period, she had got married, she'd had a son, and in the early days, her son was forced uh all migrants, workers, childrens were forced to either go back home and live with grandparents or their mothers were forced to go back home so they could be educated for free in the local school where their hooko was. So, they had a household registration in Gansoo. She
was forced to go back to Gansoo with her child. she didn't want to do this. So,
she contacted local schools and said, "How do I get my son into your school?"
When when the son was coming up to the age and they said, "You can't really.

You have to pay if you're going to do that." She couldn't afford to pay. So, she said, "Well, can I work as a volunteer in your school?" Yeah, we need volunteers. We need people outside the school gates to look after the traffic at you school kicking out time and school coming in time. So she did that and then she did some other volunteer work in the canteen and then she just helped the school out and eventually they said well okay your your child can come to our school and she she had to go through a very a variety of different hoops some of them flaming hoops as well some of them were very very difficult
stumbling blocks to get to the point. So what she did was she documented everything. 

This is a habit she got when she was working as a security guard documenting everything. She documented the whole process. And then people said to her, "How the hell did you get your kid into a local school? We have to send the kid back to live with grandparents."
And she she said, "Well, yeah, here's this. I've documented it." She wrote it down and she printed it and she would give it copies to her friends. Somebody heard about this in the Jongan community and said can can we print this and publish it for other factories? Sure.

And then someone from the provincial people's congress saw this or heard about this and said do you want to come onto the n the the provincial people's congress so that this could happen everywhere and she sure okay so she became a member of the Guandong provincial people's congress and somebody in the national people's congress said do you think that you could do this nationally so she became a member of the NPC going to
Beijing every year for the meetings the big meetings there and she she's met xi Jingping and stuff like this. This is a girl from a school in Gansoo who is a member of the National People's Congress because she had an idea that has helped every single migrant worker in China can now benefit from her idea. That's how old process people's democracy works.

It's a system. For so many years, so many migrant workers had complained about this hookco system which forced them to separate from their children. Chinese mothers love their children. They don't want to be separated for 9 10 months of the year. They don't want that at all. But that was what was happening.

Now it doesn't have to because of this lady. So there's one example and there are so many others. Laws get changed but they get changed small. you know a local government will change it and then the regional government will say that's a good idea and then the national government or the municipal government will say this is great and and that's how it develops that's how whole process people's democracy works thank you Jerry for sharing these fascinating insights with us in our next conversation coming up in just a few days we'll dive into Cherry's personal journey what first brought him to China, why he initially struggled with it, and what eventually made him fall in love with this vast, complex, and captivating country.

He's seen it all firsthand, even cycling thousands of kilometers across China to truly understand it.

That's it for today. If you enjoyed this video, don't forget to like, share, and subscribe so you won't miss the next adventure. See you soon in the next video.