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中國促成巴勒斯坦統一宣言 全球調解人

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國促成巴勒斯坦統一宣言,力爭成為全球調解人

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/23/china-hamas-fatah-palestine-beijing-declaration/

盡管不太可能掩蓋哈馬斯和法塔赫之間的深刻分歧,但它代表著中國向傳統上美國勢力範圍的推進。

法塔赫黨的馬哈茂德·阿盧爾(左)、中國外交部長王毅和哈馬斯高級成員穆薩·阿布·馬爾祖克於周二在北京。 (Pedro Pardo/AFP/Getty Images)

Christian Shepherd、Steve Hendrix、Niha Masih 和 Sarah Dadouch 2024 年 7 月 23 日

包括法塔赫和哈馬斯在內的巴勒斯坦各派領導人周二在北京簽署了一份聯合聲明,旨在結束這兩個死對頭之間的分歧,這一協議加強了中國作為全球調解人的地位,但不太可能彌合巴勒斯坦政治團體之間的深刻裂痕。

聲明呼籲組建一個巴勒斯坦統一政府,監督約旦河西岸、耶路撒冷和加沙地帶,並最終舉行選舉,各派領導人將為此舉行會議並製定路線圖。以色列政府拒絕了任何賦予哈馬斯或法塔赫控製的巴勒斯坦權力機構執政權的提議。

中國媒體稱讚“北京宣言”是一項突破,也是該國在遙遠衝突中扮演和平調解人角色的標誌。中國外交部長王毅在會談結束後的講話中稱這是“巴勒斯坦解放事業的曆史性時刻”,並強調“雙方就建立臨時民族和解政府來管理戰後的加沙達成共識”。

王毅重申中國支持“全麵、持久和可持續的停火”,並支持召開大型“國際和平會議”以努力實現兩國解決方案。

中國外交部長王毅(中)周二在北京宣言簽署儀式上。(Pedro Pardo/Pool/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock)

聯合聲明可能是北京的一次明顯外交勝利,但分析人士立即對該協議的前景表示懷疑。他們指出,這隻是自 2007 年權力鬥爭結束以來兩派之間達成的一係列類似和解協議中的最新一項,這些協議後來破裂。哈馬斯從法塔赫官員手中奪取了加沙地帶的控製權。

巴勒斯坦政治專家普遍認為,該協議隻是之前幾份和解聲明的翻版,包括 2022 年由阿爾及利亞 14 個巴勒斯坦派別簽署的協議。迄今為止,這些努力都沒有對哈馬斯和法塔赫之間的分歧產生任何持久影響。

中國的倡議是在兩派關係緊張之際提出的。巴勒斯坦權力機構主席馬哈茂德·阿巴斯最近指責哈馬斯延長加沙戰爭。哈馬斯領導人則指責阿巴斯站在以色列一邊。

巴勒斯坦人權律師、曾擔任阿巴斯顧問的戴安娜·布圖表示,現在的風險是,88 歲的阿巴斯會像過去一樣將和解努力擱置一旁,要麽是因為以色列和美國的壓力,要麽是因為他自己想繼續掌權。

“他過去不同意這一點的原因是他害怕被拋棄,”布圖說。

周二,人們走過加沙地帶中部代爾巴拉赫街道上的汙水和垃圾場。世界衛生組織表示,由於衛生條件不佳,脊髓灰質炎病毒傳播的風險很高。(Eyad Baba/AFP/Getty Images)

與此同時,加沙人表示,外交與過去九個月來他們生命遭受的破壞和剝奪相去甚遠。

“回到地球來看看這些醫院,那裏沒有一滴血可以挽救人們的生命,”40 歲的卡裏·塔比特說,她在戰爭中流離失所了 10 次,並稱這些派係是“笑話”。

“看看加沙地帶北部那些因饑餓而死去的人們,”她在電話中告訴《華盛頓郵報》。“看看以色列坦克在加沙地帶嬉戲。這些人不代表我。他們隻是失敗的演員。”

在以色列,外交部長以色列·卡茨駁斥了這項協議,稱巴勒斯坦領導人阿巴斯擁抱了哈馬斯的“殺人犯和強奸犯”,並預測該協議將一事無成。卡茨說:“哈馬斯的統治將被摧毀,阿巴斯將遠遠地監視加沙。以色列的安全將完全掌握在以色列手中。”

幾十年來,中國一直傾向於將中東的爭議外交留給美國,但近年來,中國積極將自己塑造為世界上一些最棘手的熱點地區的可行和平締造者。去年,北京促成了伊朗和沙特阿拉伯之間的緩和,迫使華盛頓陷入尷尬的境地,不得不為其主要地緣政治對手達成的一項重要中東協議喝彩。

“中國的中東政策顯然不同於美國

中國社會科學院分析員唐誌超表示:“國際社會調解力度的不足是不可避免的。”唐誌超表示:“國際社會調解力度的不足是迫切需要的。”造成這一現象的部分原因是西方國家在巴勒斯坦問題上被地緣政治邊緣化。

聲明最後部分感謝中國調解,並強調需要更多國家參與解決中東危機,而不僅僅是“有偏見的”美國。

中國還試圖將自己塑造為俄羅斯烏克蘭戰爭的中間人,並提出了結束這場戰爭的 12 點建議。

周二,在以色列下達撤離命令後,數千名巴勒斯坦人抵達加沙地帶南部城市的另一個地區,一名女孩和一名男孩在街上吃餅幹。 (Bashar Taleb/AFP/Getty Images)

以下是其他需要了解的信息:
據一位不願透露姓名的美國官員稱,拜登總統將於周四在華盛頓會見以色列總理本傑明·內塔尼亞胡。據總理辦公室稱,內塔尼亞胡還將於周四會見副總統哈裏斯,並於周五會見前總統唐納德·特朗普。他定於周三東部時間下午 2 點在國會聯席會議上發表講話。

據路透社報道,世界衛生組織周二表示,由於加沙地帶的衛生條件極其惡劣,傳染性脊髓灰質炎病毒在加沙地帶內外傳播的風險很高。世衛組織加沙和西岸衛生緊急情況小組負責人阿亞迪爾·薩帕爾別科夫 (Ayadil Saparbekov) 表示,世衛組織和聯合國兒童基金會的小組將於周四抵達加沙,收集人類糞便樣本,此前在來自加沙的汙水樣本中檢測到了疫苗衍生的 2 型脊髓灰質炎病毒。

該組織中東和北非地區主任阿黛爾·科德爾 (Adele Khodr) 表示,兩輛“帶有明顯標誌的聯合國兒童基金會車輛”在送五個孩子與父親團聚的途中遭到實彈擊中。科德爾繼續說,沒有人員受傷,小組安全地接生了孩子。但她說,這是過去 12 周內第二次針對執行人道主義任務的聯合國兒童基金會車輛的襲擊。科德爾在 X 上說:“這兩次襲擊都可能對我們的團隊和他們服務的兒童造成嚴重的人道主義後果。”

以色列教育部長約阿夫·基施 (Yoav Kisch) 周二告訴當地政府,撤離的北部邊境社區的以色列學校將不會在 9 月 1 日新學年開始時開學。當地官員 Haim Bibas 在推文中表示,政府必須做出“艱難的決定”,通過“武力或外交手段”恢複與黎巴嫩接壤地區的安全。

加沙衛生部表示,自戰爭開始以來,加沙至少有 39,090 人死亡,90,147 人受傷。衛生部沒有區分平民和戰鬥人員,但表示死者大多數是婦女和兒童。以色列估計,哈馬斯 10 月 7 日的襲擊造成約 1,200 人死亡,其中包括 300 多名士兵,並表示自加沙軍事行動開始以來,已有 326 名士兵喪生。

China brokers Palestinian unity declaration in bid to be global mediator

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/23/china-hamas-fatah-palestine-beijing-declaration/

Though unlikely to paper over the deep differences between Hamas and Fatah, it represents China’s push into a traditionally U.S. area of influence.

Mahmoud al-Aloul, left, of the Fatah party; China's foreign minister, Wang Yi; and Moussa Abu Marzouk, a senior member of Hamas; in Beijing on Tuesday. (Pedro Pardo/AFP/Getty Images)

 

By Christian ShepherdSteve HendrixNiha Masih and Sarah Dadouch July 23, 2024 

Leaders of Palestinian factions, including Fatah and Hamas, signed a joint statement Tuesday in Beijing aimed at ending divisions between the bitter rivals, a deal bolstering China’s claim to being a global mediator but unlikely to heal the deep rift between the Palestinian political groups.

The statement calls for the formation of a Palestinian unity government overseeing the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip and eventually holding elections, for which the leaders of the factions would meet and draw up a road map. The Israeli government has rejected any proposal that gives a governing role to Hamas or the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority.

Chinese media hailed the “Beijing declaration” as a breakthrough and a sign of the country’s emerging role as a peace broker in faraway conflicts. In a speech after the talks ended, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi called it a “historic moment for the cause of Palestine’s liberation” and highlighted the “consensus around establishing an interim national reconciliation government to manage Gaza after the war.”

Wang restated China’s support for a “comprehensive, lasting and sustainable cease-fire” and for the convening of a large “international peace conference” to work toward a two-state solution.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, center, during the signing of the Beijing declaration Tuesday. (Pedro Pardo/Pool/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock)

The joint statement may be a clear diplomatic win for Beijing, but analysts were immediately skeptical about the prospects for this agreement. They noted that it is only the latest in a long series of similar reconciliation deals brokered — then broken — between the two factions since a power struggle that ended in 2007 with Hamas taking control of the Gaza Strip from Fatah officials.

Palestinian political experts generally dismissed the agreement as a rehash of several previous statements of reconciliation, including a 2022 accord signed by 14 Palestinian factions in Algeria. To date, none of those efforts has produced any lasting changes in the Hamas-Fatah rift.

The Chinese initiative comes at a time of peak tensions between the two factions. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas recently accused Hamas of prolonging the Gaza war. Hamas leaders in turn accused Abbas of siding with Israel.

Diana Buttu, a Palestinian human rights lawyer and onetime adviser to Abbas, said that the risk now was that the 88-year-old Abbas would sideline the reconciliation efforts as he has done in the past, either under pressure from Israel and the United States to marginalize Hamas or from his own desire to stay in power.

“The reason he hasn’t agreed to this in the past is because he’s afraid he’ll be cast aside,” Buttu said.

People walk past sewage and a garbage dump on a street in Deir al-Balah in the central Gaza Strip on Tuesday. The World Health Organization said there is a high risk of the polio virus spreading because of the sanitation conditions. (Eyad Baba/AFP/Getty Images)

Gazans, meanwhile, said the diplomacy was a universe away from the devastation and deprivation of their lives for the last nine months.

“Come here to Earth and look at the hospitals in which there is not a single drop of blood that can save people’s lives,” said Kary Thabit, 40, who has been displaced 10 times in the war and called the factions “a joke.”

“Look at the people in the northern Gaza Strip who are dying of hunger,” she told The Washington Post by phone. “Look at how Israeli tanks are frolicking in the land of Gaza. These people do not represent me. They are just failed actors.”

In Israel, Foreign Minister Israel Katz dismissed the agreement as Palestinian leader Abbas embracing “the murderers and rapists” of Hamas, and predicted that it would come to nothing. “Hamas’s rule will be crushed, and Abbas will be watching Gaza from afar. Israel’s security will remain solely in Israel’s hands,” Katz said.

After decades of preferring to leave contentious diplomacy in the Middle East to the United States, China in recent years has actively cast itself as a viable peacemaker in some of the world’s most intractable hot spots. Beijing brokered a détente last year between Iran and Saudi Arabia, forcing Washington into the awkward position of applauding a major Middle East accord secured by its main geopolitical rival.

“China’s Middle East policy is obviously different from that of the West,” said Tang Zhichao, an analyst at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. “There is an urgent need to reverse a lack of mediation by the international community,” brought about in part by the Western world’s geopolitical marginalization of the Palestinian issue, Tang said.

The final statement was peppered with language thanking China for its mediation and the need for more countries to be involved in resolving the Middle East crisis instead of just a “biased” United States.

China has also tried to present itself as a broker in Russia’s war in Ukraine, promoting a 12-point proposal for ending it.

A girl and boy eat biscuits on a street as thousands of Palestinians arrive in another area of the southern Gaza Strip city on Tuesday after Israeli evacuation orders. (Bashar Taleb/AFP/Getty Images)

Here’s what else to know:

President Biden will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Washington on Thursday, according to a U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the White House. Netanyahu will also meet with Vice President Harris on Thursday, and with former president Donald Trump on Friday, according to the prime minister’s office. He is slated to address a joint meeting of Congress on Wednesday, at 2 p.m. Eastern.

The World Health Organization said Tuesday that there is a high risk of the infectious polio virus spreading in and beyond the Gaza Strip, citing the devastating sanitation conditions there, according to Reuters. WHO and UNICEF teams will arrive in Gaza on Thursday to collect human stool samples, said Ayadil Saparbekov, the team lead for health emergencies at WHO in Gaza and the West Bank, after vaccine-derived polio virus type 2 was detected in sewage samples from Gaza.

Two “clearly marked UNICEF vehicles” were hit with live ammunition while en route to reunite five children with their father, said Adele Khodr, the organization’s regional director for the Middle East and North Africa. No injuries occurred, and the team safely delivered the children, Khodr continued. But the attack was the second targeting of UNICEF cars while on humanitarian duty in the past 12 weeks, she said. “On both occasions, the humanitarian consequences could have been severe, for both our teams and the children they serve,” Khodr said on X.

Israeli schools in the evacuated northern border communities will not open Sept. 1 at the start of the new school year, Israeli Education Minister Yoav Kisch told local authorities Tuesday. Local official Haim Bibas said in a tweet that the government must make “tough decisions” to restore security in the area bordering Lebanon through “force or diplomacy.”

At least 39,090 people have been killed and 90,147 injured in Gaza since the war started, said the Gaza Health Ministry, which does not distinguish between civilians and combatants bu says the majority of the dead are women and children. Israel estimates that about 1,200 people were killed in Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack, including more than 300 soldiers, and it says 326 soldiers have been killed since the start of its military operations in Gaza.

Hajar Harb, Hazem Balousha, Suzan Haidamous, Vic Chiang and Kate Brady contributed to this report.

BiHiSellLo

17 minutes ago

….and Ukraine’s foreign minister is in Beijing “seeking 'common ground' with China in talks on ending war”

““I am convinced that a just peace in Ukraine is in China’s strategic interests, and China’s role as a global force for peace is important,” Kuleba said in opening remarks.”

from ABC News 7/24/24

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraines-foreign-minister-seeking-common-ground-china-talks-112220800

….helping to find common ground both in the MiddleEast and in Ukraine

Thanks for trying and wish them success

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NatsDude

7 hours ago

I used to work these issues in this region. What happens is China bribes the leaders of each Palestinian faction to agree to something incredibly useless in order to make it seem like it is a player in the region. This will have zero impact and only serves to highlight the vast difference between the corrupt Palestinian leadership and the average Palestinian just looking to live a life of dignity and hope.

JohnQuick11 hours ago

Can’t help but notice that Hamas’s chief negotiator is the guy who said that Hamas will repeat 10/7 “over and over again”

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-770918

Vinnie1113 hours ago

Kudos to China for making the effort. Palestine will only be restored by an agreement mediated by parties not involved in the slaughter and persecution. It is a neutral party.

The US and UK set up Israel on Palestinian lands essentially because they wanted to, and had much colonial ruling experience [still ongoing]. Palestinians were not fully engaged in the 1948 process. This means that the US and UK (and the other suppliers of weapons to Israel or Hamas) cannot be a party to mediation toward a solution.

China has been unengaged until now, so is an ideal state to begin (or even complete) mediation. The world should welcome this, support it, and build on it. And let's get peace and equality begun.

comment5513 hours ago

Wow, some real news, where did this come from? Slipped in between the coronation of Harris and more BS about Bibi.

Robert Krakaur

14 hours ago

I like chinas approach and I hope they get more involved in saving and creating Palestine. I think a lot of people agree, we’re tired of seeing the us tell other countries what to do. My goodness what a disaster we are domestically and globally

MDIndependent4

14 hours ago

As we dwell on divisions in our own country, our standing as a world leader is being diminished. WaPo, please elevate the importance of this story in my (and others) feed.We need to understand the potential consequences of our inability to find common ground.

rpw0

15 hours ago

The Hamas/Israeli war was a gift to China, Russia and Russia's surrogate Iran; and they are making the most of it. China has no humanitarian interest in Palestinians; any more than the Uighurs or Tibetians!

 

Boomer who resists

14 hours ago

China kills and imprisons the Uighurs and Tibetans. Check!

The US, directly or via its Saudi and Israeli allies, kills and imprisons the Yemenis, the Iraqis; Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians on a massive scale.

Maybe if the US were to take trade sanctions to defend the Uighurs and Tibetans, the Chinese would have to take note and maybe (someday) change their behavior.

In return, maybe if the Chinese intervened more forcefully to help the people of the Middle East, the latter would benefit, even if the US pouts and cries.

All this is called provided more competition and diversity on the world's political stage.

laobaixing0719 hours ago

Oh, the irony of the CPC in Beijing calling for “Palestine’s liberation” and future elections there!! Hopefully, next it will focus on liberation of their Chinese people, who, in their long history, have never been free, and have never had the chance to vote in free and fair elections! … and why isn’t Beijing urging Hamas to free its Israeli hostages? Because the CPC thinks it’s quite ok to hold innocent foreigners as hostages, as they have done.

Boomer who resists

14 hours ago

Very astute observation, Scholarman. I guess that's what the Soviet dictatorship crushed Nazi Germany and liberated far more concentration camps than the US.

It was because Russia is a dictatorship.

Oh wait ...

Censorship is wrong 20 hours ago

Israel has entered a new era where resistance groups across the region do not hoist the white flag after a few weeks of fighting. They fight back.

Israelis should abandon Netanyahu's sinking ship. He's lost

David Hearst

22 July 2024

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-abandon-netanyahu-sinking-ship-hes-lost

Ada Lovelace

20 hours ago

That's because the US has left a vacuum of leadership because of Biden the Zionist's failed policy or rather lack of a policy - essentially kowtowing to the mass murderer, Netanyahu, and his fascist junta

rpw0

15 hours ago

That's because trump told Netanyahu to do whatever he wanted and. What Netanyahu wanted was more settlements! Now both are running to stay out of jail

Boomer who resists 15 hours ago

I agree with you, Ada, but it is not just Biden, it is the entire US congress, all US presidents and office holders all the way down on the ballot.

Check out with former President Carter said about AIPAC and its enormous influence below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv0ROgv0kTk&t=26s

Wiseman 20 hours ago

Why did China bring a fork to the trade meeting with the US? Because they’re eating the US lunch every day!

Boomer who resists 14 hours ago

The Chinese have been eating our lunch for a long time, but why and how is that?

Look, I am one of those leftists who got hired in an auto factory in the early 1970s in the hope of recruiting workers to our cause. What I found was high wages and pretty darned good working conditions. But the attitude of workers was horrible. We're talking 95% white male workers.

Car quality, which was displayed on huge electronic billboards in each GM, was low at our factory by high at the factories producing Cadillacs (most black workers, btw). I concluded that the problem was poor-to-average engineering at our plant and excellent engineering at the Cadillac plants combined with a poor work ethnic.

America could've saved a good number of those industrial jobs that went to China but neither management nor workers were willing to make the sacrifice to do so.

Actually, let me take back the last part about management. I mean top management, selected by the investor class, which has no mutha ducking country, no matter how much they claim they are the only true patriots.

These folks sold out American jobs and technology so that they could rack up gains on the stock market.

Maybe Americans need to look at the true cause of our woes, before blaming everything on other countries.

Censorship is wrong 20 hours ago

House Rep Rashida Tlaib called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's upcoming speech to Congress "a celebration of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians".

Tlaib, the only Palestinian-American member of Congress, said that "Netanyahu is a war criminal committing genocide against the Palestinian people. It is utterly disgraceful that leaders from both parties have invited him to address Congress. He should be arrested and sent to the International Criminal Court."

She further remarked, "Make no mistake: this event is a celebration of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It is a sad day for our democracy when my colleagues will smile for a photo op with a man who is actively committing genocide. It is hypocritical to claim concern about the massive death toll of innocent civilians, then turn around and welcome the person responsible for these war crimes to our Capitol. Their silence is betrayal, and history will remember them accordingly. Our government must stop supporting and funding this genocide now."

Tlaib Statement on War Criminal Netanyahu’s Address to Congress

https://tlaib.house.gov/posts/tlaib-statement-on-war-criminal-netanyahus-address-to-congress

Boomer who resists 14 hours ago

No, there is no dialogue with Netanyahu who, in his previous two speches before congress, attacked US Middle Eastern policy with barely veiled attacks on a sitting president.

We can dialogue with Israeli leaders and, above all, with Israel's core supporters in the US (excluding doped up evangelicals), but inviting Netanyahu was a gift to his political fortunes in Israel and a crass political attack by Israel's amen corner in the US.

Human987 19 hours ago

She is 100% right. I've never been more ashamed to be American than now.

haggis 1945 21 hours ago

America had its chance as an "honest broker" in the Israel-Palestine dispute for 76 years but blew it. It is too pro-Israel to take on that task. Time for another country to take the lead in order to make some real progress. If China can achieve it, then kudos to them!

 

trblmkr1 21 hours ago

China just wants the rebuilding contract. They’ll send thousands of their own idle workers to Gaza.

EAZea1 21 hours ago

And China will let the Palestinians know what's expected of them in exchange in short order.

Jphubba 21 hours ago

Why fuss about the differences among the Palestinians when neither Israel or the United States is willing to negotiate with any Palestinian group much less a United Palestinian Front?

Araucaria20 hours ago

Maybe China will start sending "aid" to Palestine, just like the US does to Israel.

Cmanwallofsounds21 hours ago

Hey maybe the Chinese will have better luck reigning in the Israeli Death Force, IDF, for sure they can’t be any more ineffectual than the USA, Canada, the uk and Europe.

Jacqueline von Hettlingen22 hours ago

It remains to be seen whether Beijing would succeed in helping the Palestinian rivals, like Hamas and Fatah, agree to form an interim government regarding the post-war governance of Gaza and the West Bank. While hosting the meeting is one thing, implementing the agreement is another. Ashraf Abouelhoul, a specialist on Palestinian affairs and managing editor of the Egyptian state-owned paper Al-Ahram, said previous similar declarations had not been implemented and nothing would happen without US approval.

The deal is meant to put in place a form of post-war administration in Gaza and the West Bank, but Israel has immediately rejected it, as it is still bent on crushing Hamas. In the face of various complications, Beijing’s efforts may prove futile. First the two Palestinian factions need to overcome their deep mutual enmity to reconcile and forge unity. There is also opposition from the US, Israel and Britain to having Hamas play any role in the post-war Gaza.

The Beijing Declaration between Hamas and Fatah is seen as a letter of intent, signed at the closing ceremony of a reconciliation dialogue among 14 Palestinian factions hosted by China between July 21-23. But there is no timetable for implementing the agreement, because there is no way to resolve the problems between Palestinian factions in just three days.

Imdump2 23 hours ago

Presumably, China will ask for ‘a favor’ at some point in the near future. Diplomacy is not altruistic.

jcbmatua 23 hours ago

Let's face it. The USA Americans' influence over the Palestinians is far in-large a big pile of poopoo. And the world knows it.

Thus... The alternative. With power, might, and it's own influences.

aub 23 hours ago

What China is doing is a card trick intended to make the west look away from Taiwan. Don't buy it for a second.

Atllaw 23 hours ago

Has China earned trust from Israel to mediate?Joanne_H 1 day ago

What China is doing in this case is at least more constructive than what the Biden administration is doing – – sending Israel billions of dollars worth of bombs with which to slaughter Palestinians and destroy Gaza!

Joanne_H22 hours ago

I blame Hamas for what they did. And now I blame Israel for what they are doing – – which is far far worse!https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/06/hamas-genocide-against-israel/

SouthLand Sojourner

1 day ago

I don't care - China is welcome to try as everything has failed so far... so I don't care who tries and in my mind it has nothing to do with "great power rivalries"-- China will get more credit and due if it drops this counter productive line as it does it no credit and actually undermines its influence in the world.

Since a child watched this saga all my life - now in my 80th yr - utterly sick of it - and I know the thousands of years of history behind all this ... just read the book Joshua in the Bible and study it and you get the history - which starts with the command "take the land and wipe out all inhabitants" and ends with two cultures living side by side in the aftermath. Netanyahu is stuck in the mode "take the land and wipe out all inhabitants" - conveniently forgets the ending as does not suit his grab for power and remaining in power over the 40,000 bodies of women, children and babies - hence the war crimes charges he faces and that will never go away.

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jcbmatua

23 hours ago

LOLOLOLOLOL. And what does that say about your beliefs? A book, allegedly written thousands of years ago, as you quote, "Take the land", and they're still trying to take the land. What does that say about your deciphering BS?

LOLOLOLOLOL.

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SouthLand Sojourner

21 hours ago

Please I am talking about a book the Israelies read to get their history and beliefs --- is there any other they rely on to support their stance today? Muslims also read this book as do Christians ... History ... I did not say I believe what they believe in determing their faiths.

What are you relying on in trying to figure out the 'whys' and 'wherefors' of your understanding on these issues?

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Sciathan

1 day ago

Huh. China putting in work. This is an encouraging sign, simply for the fact that it is a new mediator with both the military power to back up it's statements and a lack of a reputation for being in the bag for one side.

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iudicium

1 day ago

As meaningless as Western nations still speaking of two state solutions that will never happen given that the One State solution has already been implemented by Israelis.

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Human987

1 day ago

it's all illegal based on the last ICC ruling. There is a comprehensive writeup in the Guardian:

That occupation brings into force the fourth geneva convention of 1949 on military occupation, which Israel has ratified. Article 49 renders it illegal – a war crime – for an occupying power to transfer its population to occupied territory, as the court found that Israel has done with its settlements.

Did Palestinian leaders waive these rights with the Oslo accords, which recognized certain Israeli powers in the occupied territory as negotiations were supposed to proceed toward a Palestinian state? No, said the court, citing article 47 of the fourth Geneva convention, which says negotiations between occupier and occupied cannot deprive people of rights under the convention – a wise precaution given inherent power imbalances.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/22/the-icj-has-demolished-israels-claims-that-it-is-not-occupying-palestinian-territories

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SouthLand Sojourner

1 day ago

Totally correct - thank you

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OldLedger

1 day ago

Let China take credit for some of the perpetual failure in the Middle East.

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Luther Mahoney

1 day ago

These actions, whether they succeed or fail, are the kind of steps the US should be taking instead of using the George W Bush approach. Palestine is a major stain on Biden and Trumps record with Biden’s arms burning babies alive and Trump’s provocative diplomacy inflaming tensions.

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Abnormally Distributed

1 day ago

Where's my buddy Qin Gang?

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Rogelio in San Diego

1 day ago

It could have been the USA playing 'global mediator' if we didn't ignore Israeli aggression and apartheid tendencies and instead only focused on the evils of Hamas like we have.

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Human987

1 day ago

The only global mediation the US was able to do is through firepower.

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Mark1234

1 day ago

This China-brokered deal is very similar to the one Biden proposed several weeks ago. And it has the same problem that Biden's did. If you don't get ISRAEL to sign on, no deal is going to matter!

But I do give China credit for putting in the work and acting as a mediator. This is a good thing. Now we just have to get them to sit at the table with everyone else instead of trying re-invent the wheel on their own.

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Dog Mom in Seattle

1 day ago

What are you talking about? Israel does not need to sign onto a unity deal between the different Palestinian factions. This is not about a ceasefire.

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Luther Mahoney

1 day ago

God help your reading comprehension skills.

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Canuck09

1 day ago

Can CHina stop the arabs from firing rockets and missiles at innocent people in Israel ??

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Mark1234

1 day ago

No.

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Dog Mom in Seattle

1 day ago

Can you stop referring to Palestinians as "Arabs", erasing their identity?

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IronFistedPoet

1 day ago

It would be nearly impossible for China to do a worse job of bringing peace to Israel/Palestine than the US has done.

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Human987

1 day ago

Israel doesn't want peace because it means they need to give up the settlements, east Jerusalem and leave Gaza alone. Peace and greed are mutually exclusive when it comes to Israel. They think if we kill the Palestinians then voila, problem is solved.

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DavidToronto

1 day ago

Neither Israel or Hamas distinguish between civilian and military casualties. I understand that Hamas killed 1139 people on October 7 including "about" 300 soldiers. According to Israel, the IDF has killed about 14,000 Hamas soldiers of the 39,000 deceased. Why aren't these figures cited? Accurate figures do not diminish the horror.

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Kakospirit

1 day ago

China the great mediator with Hamas which is an Islamofacist terrorists organization I find this quite ironic because of the way China treats its Muslim population Hamas would be destroyed in a blink of an eye in China.

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Luther Mahoney

1 day ago

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You would, even though your logic makes zero sense and barely hides your China-baiting.

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Sciathan

1 day ago

Maybe. But that is that and this is this, as they say.

Andy Weissman

1 day ago

China should step in and end the war in Ukraine since they have connections with Russia. Fat chance.

Diesel_and_Dust

1 day ago

China's mistake is treating a terrorist actor (Hamas) like a legitimate state, thereby rendering everything a moot point.

OldUncleTom

1 day ago

China's advantage, however, is being unburdened by thousands of years of mindless superstitions about the so-called "Holy Land", which afflicts nearly every western player attempting to "solve" the problems.

Diesel_and_Dust

1 day ago

It could indeed be, the U.S. doesn't have a monopoly on brokering talks. But at this point, Hamas is Hamas.                        


 
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