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這一段闡釋了為什麽a1c值低死亡率反而高,總結一下就是有一些基礎血紅蛋白病,慢性貧血性疾病,炎症,肝病,會引起血紅蛋白異常,因而引起糖化血紅蛋白A1c異常降低。這類人的死亡率高,不是因為他們血糖太低,而是因為本身的基礎疾病。正常人很少看到a1c會低於四。文章裏說調整了這些marker,還是死亡率升高,但是不是很確定為什麽。所以也沒有完全定論。其實大部分人都不用去擔心自己a1c太低

臨床上懷疑病人有血紅蛋白疾病,貧血性疾病時候,是不測a1c的,用其他方法監測血糖

It is not clear what biological processes may be underlying the association between low HbA1c and all-cause mortality. In the present study, participants with low HbA1c values had unfavorable profiles of red blood cell related factors, iron storage, and liver function. Red blood cell distribution width has been associated with an increased risk of morbidity and mortality and with inflammation. Younger red blood cells are typically larger and have more size variability compared with older red blood cells, which could affect red blood cell distribution width and HbA1c values., Also, iron stores were elevated among those with low HbA1c in the present study. Iron-deficiency anemia has been associated with increased HbA1c values among individuals without diabetes; however, patients with iron-deficiency anemia who were treated with iron therapy had decreases in HbA1c values., Also, ferritin was elevated among those with low HbA1c in the present study. Elevated ferritin has been associated with an increased risk of myocardial infarction and atherosclerosis, but it is also an acute-phase reactant and could be reflecting an inflammatory response. Finally, liver function enzymes were elevated and hepatitis C was more prevalent among those with an HbA1c <4.0% in the present study. Elevated ALT is frequently associated with fatty liver and an adverse cardiometabolic risk factor profile. ALT was positively associated with HbA1c levels among participants with and without diabetes in the British Women’s Heart and Health Study, with a stronger association noted among women without diabetes. Certain combination therapies for hepatitis C have been reported to temporarily lower HbA1c levels; however, the low HbA1c-mortality association observed in the present study was still evident after excluding participants with hepatitis C. The overall biomarker profile of the participants without diabetes and an HbA1c < 4.0% is suggestive of red blood cell markers, inflammation, and liver function as part of the biological underpinning for the association noted in this study. However, the low HbA1c and all-cause mortality association observed in this study persisted after adjustment for lifestyle, cardiovascular, metabolic, red blood cell, iron storage, and liver function indices. The association also persisted after excluding participants with cancer, CVD, anemia, or hepatitis C in sensitivity analyses. Additional research is needed to explore the potential health effects of aberrations in red blood cell markers, inflammation, and liver function indices and associations with all-cause mortality among individuals with a low HbA1c.

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但這個值的確不是越低越好。我總是看最佳值。 -kathyzh- 給 kathyzh 發送悄悄話 kathyzh 的博客首頁 (1417 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 11:31:13

花醫生已經給你說的很明白了,你的論點不是越低越好是不成立的。正常人基本不會小於4,低於4死的早是因為其他基礎病。你在正常 -讓理想飛- 給 讓理想飛 發送悄悄話 (558 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 11:55:44

我是想說在正常range裏,這個值不是越低越好。你說我的值接近上限,但最佳值就是5.2. -kathyzh- 給 kathyzh 發送悄悄話 kathyzh 的博客首頁 (311 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 12:08:08

既然你認為自己是最佳值,為什麽還要猶豫不決來問呢? -GoGym- 給 GoGym 發送悄悄話 GoGym 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 12:18:11

我今天才發現的!以前我也一直以為這個值在正常範圍內是越低越好。多看多讀多學。 -kathyzh- 給 kathyzh 發送悄悄話 kathyzh 的博客首頁 (347 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 12:25:53

你這個就是抬杠。你的原帖用Hemoglobin A1c指標討論你糖尿病的風險,但是你卻引用針對於沒有糖尿病的人群的論文。 -讓理想飛- 給 讓理想飛 發送悄悄話 (959 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 12:57:34

大家討論學習。如有冒犯實在抱歉。 -kathyzh- 給 kathyzh 發送悄悄話 kathyzh 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 13:16:24

Nothing personal, 我以前說過這個壇子估計絕大多數都是全獎博士,可能當年都考過GRE.我就是受不了邏輯混 -讓理想飛- 給 讓理想飛 發送悄悄話 (128 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 13:26:05

花布不錯,花布頭哈哈 -喵兒爸- 給 喵兒爸 發送悄悄話 喵兒爸 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 14:14:16

讚學霸精神。 -落花飄零- 給 落花飄零 發送悄悄話 落花飄零 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 15:05:34

我上麵說了一堆,意思這個study裏討論的情況並不能apply到你的問題。 -落花飄零- 給 落花飄零 發送悄悄話 落花飄零 的博客首頁 (408 bytes) () 07/05/2022 postreply 15:04:08

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