沙特瓦利德王子 中國有4000年曆史 習慣於用更長的時間尺度來思考問題

沙特瓦利德王子：中國有4000年曆史縱深，他們習慣於用更長的時間尺度來思考問題！

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y64glMrpzHw

2026年4月9日

沙特瓦利德王子，這位被譽為“中東股神”的沙特王室成員，以其在投資界的精準眼光而聞名，也因其對國際地緣政治的獨到見解而備受關注。這一段采訪，時值特朗普再次入主白宮，正式開啟特朗普2.0時代，全球經濟和地緣政治即將迎來巨震。在這一段采訪中，瓦利德王子坦誠地分享了他對中東局勢、中美關係、全球地緣政治以及他對中美俄三強的看法與觀察。

Prince Alwaleed: Trump’s Tariff’s, DeepSeek, & Going From Fox News’ Biggest Investor to Backing X

Tucker Carlson  2025年2月5日 The Tucker Carlson Show
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal is one of the biggest media investors in the world. Here’s why he thinks X now dominates everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_eFGCBPuuM

Chapters:
0:00 Prince Al Waleed’s Thoughts on Donald Trump
2:26 Saudi Arabia’s Relationship With Israel and Iran
6:55 Negotiating With Trump
7:56 Wokeism and Transgenderism
11:34 Rupert Murdoch, Corporate Media’s Left-Wing Bias, and Investing in X
16:13 Why Are Bezos and Zuckerberg Suddenly Pro-Trump?
24:31 Western Europe Is Very Sick
29:22 Trump’s Tariffs
30:55 China’s DeepSeek
34:13 Venezuela’s Oil Reserves
42:24 American, Russian, and Chinese Imperialism
50:02 Why Alwaleed Refuses to Invest in Crypto
53:00 The West’s Drug and Alcohol Problem

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Do you think China wants an empire?

Look, China, I think, you know, they have 1.5 1.3 billion people. I think the first priority really is to control their domestic situation and have growth. I was reading yesterday that China ex did not really answer, did not reply yet. This thing is time is composed, you know, is more long-termer.

Look, China is dynasty has been 40 4,000 years old. So really one year, one one month, four years of any tenor of any president really they they they not too fast in in replying. I used to meet him always at the Microsoft meeting with Bill Gates.
0:3939秒鍾You know, I think you know Jakma really you know you know China look is is a centralized political system and I think
0:4747秒鍾he went a bit too far you know with the I'm being very frank with you. he went a bit too far in his being outspoken against the regime and against the
0:5656秒鍾communist system. So he was just told to just to cool it down a little bit. And I think that's what happened. He he's now in in a cooling down period.
1:471分鍾47秒鍾When Trump was elected in November, the world was really on the on the cusp of two major con of of two big conflicts that could potentially get much bigger
1:561分鍾56秒鍾in Eastern Europe and in this region. Do you think he can successfully resolve those conflicts?
2:042分鍾4秒鍾Look, we all know Netanyahu is going to meet him tomorrow. Yes.
2:072分鍾7秒鍾And I really hope that President Trump is very forceful in imposing or at least forcing Israel to have a a peaceful
2:162分鍾16秒鍾resolution to this Palestinian issue that's been going on since uh the 19 mid late 1940s.
2:242分鍾24秒鍾It's about time to have a final solution for the Palestinian cause to stop all those terrorist act that are really unwarranted like the one happened in
2:312分鍾31秒鍾October. And obviously you're alluding to the Ukraine war also. It's about time to have this war end. A useless war
2:382分鍾38秒鍾between Russia and Ukraine that that caused, you know, hundreds of thousand pe of people die from both sides, civilians and and otherwise.
2:472分鍾47秒鍾What's the solution to the problem in the Middle East?
2:502分鍾50秒鍾Look, uh the stated official position of Saudi Arabia, which I really support of Crown Prince Muhammad Malman who was was announced on your ex channel Fox. Yes.
3:013分鍾1秒鍾He said publicly that you know we are uh having discussions with Israel to acknowledge each other but as a good proco we need to have Palestinian state.
3:103分鍾10秒鍾We have we need to have the rights of the Palestinians acknowledged and we need to have Palestine independent and have as capital city East Jerusalem. So
3:203分鍾20秒鍾if these things are met, I think Saudi Arabia is more than ready to have uh diplomatic relations between Saudi between between Saudi Arabia and Israel
3:283分鍾28秒鍾as Crown Prince Mhamd announced few months ago.
3:323分鍾32秒鍾From an outsers's perspective, Saudi Arabia does not have official diplomatic relations with Israel, but it's certainly aligned with Israel against
3:403分鍾40秒鍾Iran. That's the way it looks from outside. Is that do you think that's fair to say?
3:433分鍾43秒鍾Oh, look, I mean, it's very easy to get against against Iran, aligned against Iran. Iran is, you know, is is is is a
3:513分鍾51秒鍾nation based dogmatically on on on on terroristic ideas. You know, we have seen how every country that Iran goes to, you have turmoil. Look at Iraq,
4:024分鍾2秒鍾Syria, Lebanon, uh Gaza, Yemen, uh Sudan, all those countries, what's
4:104分鍾10秒鍾common among them? You have the Iranian infiltration in them. Uh so clearly it's not it's not it's not not easy not difficult at all
4:184分鍾18秒鍾to be in alliance with any country against Iran because Iran always plans the seeds of trouble, chaos and confusion wherever they are.
4:274分鍾27秒鍾So that's the view of Israel too as you know. So you have that that big perspective in common with the Israeli government despite your differences.
4:354分鍾35秒鍾So there's been progress I would say between Saudi Arabia and Israel but I don't think there's been any progress on the prospect of a Palestinian state.
4:424分鍾42秒鍾People have been saying that for you know, well, certainly since 1967, but we're feels like we're farther from that.
4:504分鍾50秒鍾We are very far of of course after what happened uh in Gaza. But I think with a strong leadership from the United States
4:584分鍾58秒鍾and with the uh effectiveness that that the United States could really have in in in in the West Bank with the
5:065分鍾6秒鍾Palestinian authorities, if they can have these people being more effective and more dynamic and inject some some uh
5:135分鍾13秒鍾some fluidity and some uh uh uh some power and influence in them, they could really be the the power to be reckoned
5:215分鍾21秒鍾with. Uh so where Israel could have a negotiate with the Palestinian Authority and hopefully that they can have a
5:305分鍾30秒鍾control over what's happening in in in Gaza. Also,
5:355分鍾35秒鍾you know Donald Trump well. I know him a long time ago, you know, from from the time we bought from him the Plaza Hotel and we also bought from him the his uh Trump Princess yacht that I still have.
5:475分鍾47秒鍾How did you wind up with Donald Trump's yacht? Not many people can say that. Not many people have Donald Trump's yacht, but you do. How did you get it? I mean, how did that happen?
5:545分鍾54秒鍾Yeah, we we we we bought it, I think,
5:575分鍾57秒鍾you know, in the in the late 80s and know Trump did take possession of it and he renovated it and I think he reached a stage where he, you know, he not really
6:056分鍾5秒鍾want to have it anymore. So, we did buy it from him.
6:086分鍾8秒鍾What's he What was your experience with Trump? What's he like?
6:116分鍾11秒鍾Oh, I mean, look, with Trump, I think if you straight with him, you know, you get a straight answer. You know, we had very good dealing with President Trump, you
6:186分鍾18秒鍾know, when he was a businessman, whether during the the the purcha hotel from him or buying his his Trump Princess yacht.
6:266分鍾26秒鍾So, you were not anti-Trump. Oh, no. No. I'm we can't be anti-Trump.
6:306分鍾30秒鍾You know, we we because we are pro America. We have to be pro Trump especially with the new policies that he's taking right now. You know, I very I'm very much conservative socially
6:396分鍾39秒鍾speaking. Yes. and all his policies right now in being anti-woke, being anti-leftwing, being anti- all those crazy things that's happening on the
6:476分鍾47秒鍾left. We are for sure pro Trump on these matters and also all his policies,
6:516分鍾51秒鍾economical policies that that uh in looking after the eradication of the US deficit. These are all conservative uh
6:596分鍾59秒鍾policies that we we support. Look, I lived in America. I I I graduated from the uh west coast, you know, from uh
7:077分鍾7秒鍾university in California and I finished my masters in the east coast in America.
7:117分鍾11秒鍾So, we all love America. We want America to be strong.
7:157分鍾15秒鍾Western Europe seems like it's falling apart. Is that your impression?
7:197分鍾19秒鍾Uh Western is aging is is is in is sick.
7:257分鍾25秒鍾You know, you seen most of the West Europe specifically, uh, uh, wrong policies, uh, bureaucracy,
7:347分鍾34秒鍾uh, low speed and movement. You know, we see Italy, for example, under Milan, you know, she's, she's not the star.
7:417分鍾41秒鍾She is a conservative, uh, I would not say right-wing Frank speakers, conserv No, no, it's very conservative and pragmatic lady. And look, now Italy is
7:497分鍾49秒鍾still is is the star in in all Europe right now. But really,
7:537分鍾53秒鍾did you ever think you would live long enough to say Italy is now the star of Europe?
7:587分鍾58秒鍾Yeah. I I and I really hope that Europe wakes up because you know, West Europe is the life United States of course.
8:038分鍾3秒鍾But really, you look the policies in in England, UK, France, Germany, Spain, they are really very much backwards.
8:118分鍾11秒鍾They they need to wake up. Frankly speaking, can a country run without energy?
8:178分鍾17秒鍾It's almost impossible. You cannot. You cannot. I mean, look look at UK. I mean,
8:218分鍾21秒鍾look, the Labor took part, took the reign of power from the Conservatives, and look where they are right now.
8:278分鍾27秒鍾They're exactly where the where the Conservatives were when they left the government few months ago.
8:338分鍾33秒鍾So, the UK is running out of natural gas. Mhm.
8:378分鍾37秒鍾And but that and that's true across Western Europe. These countries don't have enough energy to have first world economies.
8:448分鍾44秒鍾Will that change?
8:488分鍾48秒鍾Look uh I I I'm not worried about that frankly speaking because you know they will always find a way to find gas you know
8:558分鍾55秒鍾whether it's United States or other parts you see the Arab world also did help a lot in supplying the Western Europe with gas you know once they shut
9:049分鍾4秒鍾down the the pipes from from Russia so I think the B administration blew them up right
9:129分鍾12秒鍾we heard about that you know did you hear about that I know that I bother that unfortunately why Would the Germans allow their allies
9:209分鍾20秒鍾in Washington to blow up their natural gas pipeline and not say anything about it?
9:249分鍾24秒鍾You said that, you know, you should answer that question.
9:299分鍾29秒鍾I have some theories. Um, but you're saying that that all their ideas are leading to their destruction.
9:379分鍾37秒鍾Yeah. You know I think at least they're leading to their their uh look they have so many problems uh in
9:449分鍾44秒鍾west Europe and uh unfortunately they are not being acknowledged and you have seen them a lot of uh right-wing parties
9:529分鍾52秒鍾like in France Le Pen for example coming very strongly and she may will she may win may well will win win the elections
9:599分鍾59秒鍾a few years from now. So all this causing the right wing to come up very strongly and unless they wake up so fast
10:0510分鍾5秒鍾and and do some quick remedies to their economical policies and also their political system. It's just funny to
10:1310分鍾13秒鍾hear you say that. So in Europe you often say it's a battle between you know the native population and the Muslim immigrants. Here you are a Muslim with
10:2210分鍾22秒鍾prayer beads in your hand saying you want more right-wing parties in Europe.
10:2510分鍾25秒鍾M well you know I I I really am asking for to be more more more centrist for sure. Look at for example Melania when
10:3210分鍾32秒鍾she ran she run on on a very right-wing uh policy but when she took over she just went the center. That's true.
10:3910分鍾39秒鍾You know the the the when you reign when you take power you are forced to be more pragmatic. She's very pragmatic lady. Yes.
10:4510分鍾45秒鍾You know and her policies are very logical and centrist.
10:4810分鍾48秒鍾So uh many policies of the left wing really failed in in Europe. did not work
10:5510分鍾55秒鍾and I really hope that u uh that they go back to center and and and and find really
11:0311分鍾3秒鍾take major decisions to really jump start the process like Trump is doing out in America America Trump is shaking up the whole US political system
11:1111分鍾11秒鍾political system economical financial system even now we have a serious tariffs now I mean this is still you know we're on uncharted territory we don't know where it's going to be
11:1911分鍾19秒鍾heading we don't know if these um tariffs are there to stay or they they're therefore negotiating tool to reach some conclusions with Canada and Mexico.
11:2911分鍾29秒鍾Well, you've negotiated with Trump against Trump,
11:3211分鍾32秒鍾you know, to buy his the plaza and his and his boat. What do you think?
11:3611分鍾36秒鍾Well, when negotiate with him was a businessman. Now he's the leader of the strongest country in the world, United States of America. I think with Trump,
11:4311分鍾43秒鍾if you come with him straight and not necessarily succumb to what he's asking for, but if you're logical and pragmatic with him, you can reach a conclusion, a deal and very fast.
11:5311分鍾53秒鍾How long did it take you to negotiate the purchase of the plaza? Less than a week. Less than a week. Yes.
12:0112分鍾1秒鍾Um,
12:0112分鍾1秒鍾and it's bought less than a week. Very swift, very fast.
12:0512分鍾5秒鍾So, you think the tariffs are just an opening round in negotiation? Possibly. We don't know yet. Possibly.
12:1112分鍾11秒鍾Possibly. But the 25% tariffs on, you know, on on on both the northern uh neighbor and southern neighbor Canada
12:1812分鍾18秒鍾and and Mexico are pretty high. You've seen now how the auto industry was devastated today. They're down more than 10 15%.
12:2512分鍾25秒鍾Sure. In tra in trading, but the industry itself is sure still it's too early to judge.
12:3012分鍾30秒鍾Frank speaking that that's a trading you know because today they announced the and today is Monday they're going to announce uh it was announced just now
12:3712分鍾37秒鍾and they the the instantaneous reflection on that was very negative obviously on the on auto industry
12:4512分鍾45秒鍾so you know getting into a trade war with Canada and China both of whom are totally dependent on the United States they couldn't exist with the US is
12:5212分鍾52秒鍾different from doing that with China how does that work well look China I was reading yesterday that China ex did not really answer did
13:0113分鍾1秒鍾not reply yet this thing is time he's composed you know is more long-termer look China you know look is is is his
13:0813分鍾8秒鍾dynasty has been 40 4,000 years old so really one year one one month four years of of of tenure of any president really
13:1713分鍾17秒鍾they they they're not too fast in in replying we have seen Chinese government don't officially reply yet we've seen
13:2513分鍾25秒鍾seen Mexico replying already very aggressively in putting similar their tariffs especially in Canada. So we have not seen the play of
13:3313分鍾33秒鍾China yet. But China for sure is different behemoth completely. It's different ball game.
13:3913分鍾39秒鍾Do you believe the story about deepseek their their AI project that it was developed for under $6 million and is
13:4613分鍾46秒鍾that is that yeah look look we're investors with Musk and Musk is a genius of our era and
13:5413分鍾54秒鍾clearly you know he's very conservative in the way he spend now. we put to them,
13:5813分鍾58秒鍾you know, billions of dollars in having all these uh big mega centers being built in in United States. So really
14:0614分鍾6秒鍾$5.6 million for this Deep Seek. You know, I really doubt this a little bit.
14:1014分鍾10秒鍾So, and we're still very early uh part of of of this developing story to see if it's true or not and to see whether they
14:1814分鍾18秒鍾steal anything from Open AI or uh or where the truth is exactly. But but I you know I think you have to give it
14:2614分鍾26秒鍾some more time to to see where the deepse seek fit in the in the overall AI equation uh globally.
14:3414分鍾34秒鍾You made a big bet on Russian energy right after the war in Ukraine started 2022 I think.
14:4014分鍾40秒鍾Yes with Lucille Gazprom RS now I think those three correct invested these three companies.
14:4614分鍾46秒鍾How'd you do? Well, we did we did do well, frankly speaking. You know, we did sell part of it. We did with some small profit and now we still have some stake there.
14:5514分鍾55秒鍾So, the war starts in Ukraine and everyone's running away from Russia and Russian energy. The world is, you know,
15:0215分鍾2秒鍾reorienting away from hydrocarbons in general and you swoop in and make a huge bet on traditional Russian energy. Why did you do that?
15:0915分鍾9秒鍾This was part of our our, you know,
15:1215分鍾12秒鍾investment philosophy and policy. You know we we invested in so many companies that that year in Western Europe, United States and these three Russian companies were were among them,
15:2315分鍾23秒鍾right? But other people were not doing that. Why did you do that?
15:2615分鍾26秒鍾We we are sometimes contrarian and successfully so.
15:3015分鍾30秒鍾If you were to pick apart from AI and energy like another two or three industries that you think are a good bet moving forward, technology,
15:3815分鍾38秒鍾what kind?
15:3915分鍾39秒鍾Well, look, we we are in invested very heavily invested in technology. For example, in China, we are in many companies like BU, Alibaba,
15:4715分鍾47秒鍾Tencent, DD, uh you know, BU is very heavily involved alsor in in artificial intelligence. In America, we are also invested in in we are meta, we are in X,
15:5815分鍾58秒鍾XEI, in Snapchat, we are many companies also in America. So we have a diversified portfolio in technology. We
16:0616分鍾6秒鍾are also in in hospitality, you know, in Four Seasons and uh and AOR and we have very diversified portfolio.
16:1416分鍾14秒鍾So you're in Alibaba. 10 years ago, a little over 10 years ago, Jack Ma was a very famous person in the United States.
16:1916分鍾19秒鍾He was doing his road show with JP Morgan. Everyone loved Jack Ma. Company gets, you know, one of the biggest market caps in the world. And then Jack Ma disappears. Whatever happened to Jack Ma?
16:2816分鍾28秒鍾You know, I know Jack very well. I bet you do.
16:3016分鍾30秒鍾Yeah. I used to meet him always at the Microsoft meeting with Bill Gates. Um you know I think you know Jakma really you know you know China look is is a
16:4016分鍾40秒鍾centralized political system and I think he went a bit too far you know with the I'm being very frank with you he went a
16:4716分鍾47秒鍾bit too far in his being outspoken against the regime and against the communist system. So he was just told
16:5416分鍾54秒鍾just to cool it down a little bit and I think that's what happened. He he's now in in a cooling down period. He's in a cooling down.
17:0117分鍾1秒鍾Are his whereabouts known? No, he's settling between Japan and China, but he he's coming in now public a little bit right now, but he's not as high profile as before.
17:1017分鍾10秒鍾Yeah. No, he's not. Can um the United States has a big military footprint in East Asia, mo mostly in Korea and Japan,
17:1817分鍾18秒鍾but also other countries. Can that continue?
17:2217分鍾22秒鍾Well, look, as I told you that America is a big force to be reckoned with.
17:2517分鍾25秒鍾America America is an empire. Now, we don't call empires these days, but America is an empire. you know you uh
17:3317分鍾33秒鍾you you have hedgemony on the the whole world and America is a force to be listened to too. So I think these these
17:4017分鍾40秒鍾these bases are very important to stay there to counter what's what's going on with China also.
17:4517分鍾45秒鍾Yes. Uh so I I know America now is being more somehow a bit isol isolationist in in its approach but you know I think
17:5317分鍾53秒鍾once that Trump you know get more uh in the second term he will will acknowledge the fact that America needs to have
17:5917分鍾59秒鍾these uh this presence in all these areas to keep the strength of America consolidated.
18:0718分鍾7秒鍾So you say that as a big investor in Chinese companies you want to see American troops in Asia stay there.
18:1318分鍾13秒鍾Well, I mean this I mean in ch not necessarily against China, but you don't you have a crazy guy in North Korea, you know,
18:2118分鍾21秒鍾who's really a proxy for China though. I mean I mean he he he does take orders from China and somehow from Russia, but also he's a very independent guy and L also.
18:3018分鍾30秒鍾Do you know him? No, I don't know him. No,
18:3218分鍾32秒鍾you have no North Korean investments at all.
18:3418分鍾34秒鍾No at all. If I'm going to go there, I ask Trump to introduce me to him. He's his friend.
18:3918分鍾39秒鍾It was a bold move from President Trump to meet him. Oh, I I was there. It was It was a bold move. No, there's no doubt about it. And he took a lot of criticism.
18:4818分鍾48秒鍾I mean, what what do you since you're from the Middle East, I would say your mother was Lebanese.
18:5518分鍾55秒鍾You're related to people in power in a bunch of different countries. It's very common here for people for adversaries to meet and talk. In the West, in the
19:0319分鍾3秒鍾last couple decades, the idea has been if we disagree with you, we're not talking to you. What do you think of that? No, I am frankly speaking I am I'm
19:1119分鍾11秒鍾I'm very much supporting what Trump does here to talk to his adversaries. I think it's a plus. I mean for now we hear that
19:1919分鍾19秒鍾Trump is going to open communication with with Putin on Ukraine. I think I'm for it frankly speaking you know unless you engage how can you reach a conclusion agreement or arrangement.
19:2819分鍾28秒鍾I am for it frankly I think that's very bold from him to meet the leader of North of North North Korea. Yes. How would you describe Putin?
19:3619分鍾36秒鍾Well, Putin is, you know, is is a very smart man and he calculates very well his moves. You know, he's he's a
19:4419分鍾44秒鍾he's a very smart guy and and clearly he one of the things he said he he feels sorry for the day that the Soviet Union
19:5419分鍾54秒鍾disintegrated into all these 15 republics.
19:5719分鍾57秒鍾So, he has this uh empire mentality in him.
20:0220分鍾2秒鍾It's it's in him. It's in his mind for sure. He still craves for the for the Soviet Union empire and the Zarist
20:1120分鍾11秒鍾empire that used to be there before the revolution happened 1917. Yes. Everyone wants an empire. Do you think China wants an empire?
20:2020分鍾20秒鍾Look, China I think you know they have 1.5 1.3 billion people. I think the first priority really is to control
20:2720分鍾27秒鍾their domestic situation and have growth because look, China has a big problem.
20:3220分鍾32秒鍾Look, you have a a a very open capitalistic economical system in China
20:3920分鍾39秒鍾yet the political system is very centralized, authoritarian and communist obviously. Now these two uh don't go
20:4720分鍾47秒鍾well together. So the question now until when these these two could happen and continue uh you know China is very
20:5520分鍾55秒鍾concerned about this internal situation obviously and they want to have this growth happening to really to to to to
21:0121分鍾1秒鍾have its people migrate from being poor the poor level to being middle class.
21:0721分鍾7秒鍾Yes. That's I think that's the main worry frankly being Russia for foreseeable future.
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