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牛津學生會邀請右翼活動家查理·柯克
https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2025/05/23/charlie-kirk-at-oxford-union/
瑪雅·普拉卡什 2025年5月23日
美國保守派媒體名人、“美國轉折點”（Turning Point USA）創始人查理·柯克於5月20日在牛津學生會發表演講。
“美國轉折點”是一個在高中和大學倡導保守主義的非營利性組織，也是美國發展最快的青年組織之一，擁有超過25萬名學生會員。柯克通過訪問大學校園，經常發布與學生激烈交流的視頻片段，在互聯網上人氣飆升。作為“學生支持特朗普”（Students for Trump）組織的主席，柯克動員年輕人參與唐納德·特朗普2024年的總統競選，目前主持一個名為“查理·柯克秀”（The Charlie Kirk Show）的政治播客。
工會主席安妮塔·奧肯德（Anita Okunde）采訪了柯克。她首先詢問了他對出生公民權的看法。出生公民權是美國憲法第十四修正案賦予的，目前正受到特朗普政府的挑戰。柯克表達了對出生公民權的反對，他說道：“目前在美國，你可以懷孕九個月從中國北京飛到舊金山，去醫院檢查，你的孩子就是正式的美國公民。”
柯克表示，最高法院“尚未……裁定非法移民或非美國人是否[可以獲得]他們的孩子……出生公民權。”由於出生公民權是所有在美國領土上出生的兒童的憲法權利，因此撤銷該權利需要美國國會兩院三分之二多數票，以及四分之三的州立法機構批準。
奧肯德隨後詢問了特朗普政府“對南非白人的包容”以及他們基於種族歧視提出的庇護申請。柯克引用了一段視頻，視頻中“數英裏外的南非白人農民在家中被殘忍殺害，主要原因是所謂的土地賠償”。
官方警方數據顯示，2024年10月至12月期間，有12人在農場被殺害。柯克繼續表示，南非政府正在支持“最惡劣、最惡毒的仇恨形式”。奧肯德舉例詢問，遭受迫害的尼日利亞基督徒是否有資格獲得庇護。柯克回答說：“這要視具體情況而定……我們是一個非常慷慨的國家。我們願意審查所有相關案件。”
奧肯德隨後詢問柯克對墮胎的看法。柯克表示，他認為所有情況下都應該禁止墮胎，除非是威脅母親生命的墮胎，包括性侵犯和強奸。 “我做了兩次超聲波檢查。一次是強奸懷上的嬰兒，另一次是一段充滿愛意的婚姻。我們知道是哪一次嗎？他們都是人，”柯克說。
“嬰兒和女人在道德上有什麽區別？”他補充道。當被問及墮胎禁令對生育率的影響時，他說：“在英國和美國，如果我們不殺死自己的孩子，就不需要那麽多第三世界移民。”
當被問及他對男權運動的看法時，他說：“西方的男人們，作為男人，我們活著是為了保護者、捍衛者和供養者。我們應該給予女性完全的尊嚴和尊重。” 在觀眾的掌聲中，他補充道：“如果你想尊重女性，就不要在Tinder和你能找到的所有應用程序上進行大量的勾搭性行為。”
當他說“我們這個社會有很多性，但缺乏愛”時，觀眾再次鼓掌。他探討了他對西方男性“幼稚化”現象的看法，以及年輕男性需要麵對挑戰，並譴責學校對女權主義的“過度關注”。
柯克隨後討論了他對“DEI”（他稱之為“Didn’t Earn It”（並非掙得））的看法，並重申了他對言論自由的支持，他稱言論自由是英國賦予美國的“與生俱來的權利”。他還談到了他對關稅的看法，反對美國依賴中國製造業，並指出：“中共是地球上許多不同事物的最大威脅。”
當被問及他對保守主義的看法以及它應該代表什麽時，他說道：“我們反對那些‘覺醒’的東西。我們反對大規模移民。我們反對將這些陰險的價值觀輸入到我們的國家，輸入到西方。我們代表什麽？[…] 我們希望生育率逆轉。我們希望看到教堂出席人數上升。我們希望看到我們國家的自殺率發生180度的轉變。”
他還談到了他對美國係??統性種族主義的看法，指出美國警察對黑人的暴力行為是由於黑人自身“犯罪率過高”，並且“每年美國隻有大約12名手無寸鐵的黑人被槍殺”。數據顯示，警察殺害黑人的比例是白人警察的兩倍多，與總人口的比例成正比。
演講的第二部分是問答環節，學生們在問答環節中提出了一些問題。
走到柯克對麵的講台上，提出問題。話題包括“有害的男子氣概”、墮胎、柯克對辯論和公開討論的看法、唐納德·特朗普是否體現了基督教價值觀，以及南非對白人布爾人的迫害。
這位牛津學生在演講結束後與聽眾進行了交談。一位在埃克塞特學院訪問的美國學生表示，他覺得這次演講“令人不安……我絕對是個自由主義傾向的人……但如果我在那裏，我肯定無法反駁他提出的一些道德問題。”
他還補充說，柯克會問學生“是或否的問題，這是一種非常簡化的方法”。另一位聽眾說：“很多人會同意他們不同意他的觀點，但他的演講技巧令人印象深刻。”一位美國研究生評論道：“英國人不太吵鬧……人們應該更有力地支持他！”
Oxford Union hosts right-wing activist Charlie Kirk
https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2025/05/23/charlie-kirk-at-oxford-union/
Maya Prakash May 23 2025
Charlie Kirk, an American conservative media personality and founder of Turning Point USA, spoke at the Oxford Union on 20th May.
Union President Anita Okunde interviewed Kirk. She began by asking him about his views on birthright citizenship, enshrined in the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and currently being challenged by the Trump administration. Kirk expressed opposition to birthright citizenship, stating:
“Currently in America, you can fly from Beijing, China, nine months pregnant, land in San Francisco, go to a hospital and your baby is a full US citizen.”
Kirk stated that the Supreme Court “has not yet…adjudicated whether or not illegal immigrants or non-Americans [can get] their children…birthright citizenship.” As birthright citizenship is a constitutional right for all children born on American soil, revoking it would require a two-thirds majority in both chambers of the US Congress, and ratification by three-quarters of all state legislatures.
Okunde then inquired about the Trump administration’s “embrace of white South Africans” and their asylum claims on the basis of racial discrimination. Kirk cited videos of “miles of white South African farmers that have been brutally murdered in their home, basically because of what is called land reparations”.
Official police data shows 12 people were killed on farms between October and December 2024. Kirk continued, stating that South Africa’s government is endorsing the “worst and most venomous form of hatred”. Okunde asked whether, as an example, Nigerian Christians facing persecution would be eligible for asylum. Kirk responded: “It’s a case by case basis…we’re a very generous country. We’re willing to look at all the cases associated”.
Okunde then asked Kirk about his views on abortion. Kirk stated that he believes abortion should be banned in all cases except those threatening the life of the mother – including sexual assault and rape. “I have two ultrasounds. One of the ultrasound is a baby that is conceived in rape. The other one is a loving marriage. Do we know which ones? They’re both human beings,” Kirk said.
“What is the moral difference between the baby and the woman?” he added. When asked about the effects of abortion bans on birth rates, he said: “In the UK and America, we wouldn’t need as many third-world immigrants if we didn’t kill our babies.”
When asked about his views on the men’s rights movement, he said “Men in the West, we as men are here to be protectors and defenders and providers. We should treat women with total dignity and respect.” To audience applause, he added that “if you want to dignify women, don’t have a bunch of hookup sex on Tinder and every app you get your hands on”.
The audience further applauded when he said, “We have a lot of sex in this society and not enough love in this society.” He discussed his views on the “infantilization” of men in the West and the need for young men to face challenges, decrying the “hyperfixation” on feminism in schools.
Kirk then discussed his views on DEI, which he said stood for “Didn’t Earn It”, and reiterated his support for freedom of speech, which he termed a “birthright” given to the U.S. by the U.K.. He also discussed his views on tariffs, arguing against American dependency on Chinese manufacturing and stating: “CCP is the greatest threat to many different things on the planet.”
When asked about his vision for conservatism and what it should stand for, he stated: “We oppose the woke stuff. We oppose mass migration. We oppose the importation of these insidious values into our country, into the West. What do we stand for? […] We want to have the fertility rates reverse. We want to see church attendance go up. We want to see suicide rates take a 180 degree pivot in our country.”
He also touched on his views on systemic racism in the U.S., stating that police violence against Black people in the U.S. is a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” on part of Black people, and that “only about 12 unarmed black people in America are shot [every year]”. Data shows that police forces kill black people at more than twice the rate of their white counterparts, proportionate to the population.
The second portion of the talk featured a Q&A session, where individual students approached the podium opposite Kirk to pose their questions. Topics included toxic masculinity, abortion, Kirk’s views on debate and open discussion, whether Donald Trump embodied Christian values, and the persecution of white Boers in South Africa.
The Oxford Student spoke with members of the audience following the talk. A visiting American student at Exeter College remarked that he found the talk “unsettling…I’m definitely someone who is liberal-leaning…but if I was up there I wouldn’t have been able to defend myself against some of the moral questions he asked.”
He added that Kirk would ask students “yes or no questions, which was a very reductionist approach”. Another audience member said: “A lot of people would agree that they would disagree with what he said but were impressed with his oratorical skill.” An American graduate student remarked: “The English don’t get rowdy…people should have been more forceful in how they supported him!”
