Jayant Bhandari 印度文化、西方文明、加拿大卡車司機、覺醒主義

Jayant Bhandari 印度文化、西方文明、加拿大卡車司機、覺醒主義

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2022年2月12日 The Labyrinth Podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSkxycGcjQ&t=702s

Jayant Bhandari 是一位投資者和企業家，尤其專注於自然資源領域。他是《自由雜誌》的特約編輯，並為《自由雜誌》、米塞斯研究所、凱西研究、《采礦雜誌》等機構撰寫政治、經濟和文化方麵的文章。他每年在溫哥華舉辦一場名為“資本主義與道德”的哲學研討會。在本期節目中，我們將探討印度文化、道德淪喪、西方與其他國家、自由主義、覺醒文化、西方文明、新冠疫情下的威權主義、封鎖、加拿大卡車司機起義、賈斯汀·特魯多的懦弱、廢鈔、加密貨幣以及印度腐敗的官僚體係。錄製於 2022 年 2 月 11 日 Instagram: / thelabyrinth.podcast 播客：Pratham Padav |推特：@whoispadav |電報：放映員嘉賓：Jayant Bhandari |網站：http://jayantbhandari.com/ | YouTube: / jayantbhandari

章節：

0:00 簡介

0:47 印度的過去

2:08 墮落的印度文化

10:36 兩害相權取其輕

12:51 印度道德價值觀的缺失

15:03 多元化與覺醒文化

22:56 西方的衰落

27:19 經濟與道德價值觀

30:58 墮落的印度文化 - 第二部分

35:41 印度的權力下放

42:51 疫情下的威權主義

51:33 加拿大卡車司機與特魯多

55:02 加密貨幣有價值嗎？

57:15 頭巾問題與文化偏見

1:00:03 印度的腐敗

1:02:16 印度還有希望嗎？

1:03:34 中國

1:08:16 西方的印度人

1:09:30 人生的意義

引言

歡迎來到“迷宮”節目，我是主持人 Pratum Padal。如果您想支持我的播客，請關注我的播客。

購買我的T恤鏈接在簡介裏。今天我的嘉賓是 Jayanth Bhandari。

他是一位投資者和企業家，尤其在自然資源領域。

他也是《自由》雜誌的特約編輯，

還為 Myceas 研究所、Casey 研究礦業期刊等撰寫過政治、經濟和文化方麵的文章。他每年在溫哥華舉辦一次名為“資本主義與道德”的哲學研討會。

簡介

歡迎來到迷宮，我是主持人 Pratum Padal。如果您想支持我的播客，請購買我的T恤。鏈接在描述中。今天我的嘉賓是 Jayanth Bhandari。他是一位投資者和企業家，尤其擅長自然資源領域。他也是《自由》雜誌的特約編輯，還為 Myceas Institute、Casey Research Mining Journal 等撰寫過政治、經濟和文化方麵的文章。他每年在溫哥華舉辦一次哲學研討會，主題是“資本主義與道德”。歡迎來到迷宮巨人。

之前在印度的生活

我想先問一下，在移居加拿大之前，你在印度的生活怎麽樣？Pratham，我在印度是一位非常成功的高管，離開印度之前，我負責兩家歐洲公司的印度業務，其中一家成為了印度市場上最大的設備供應商。所以我在印度取得了兩次非常不錯的成績。就在那時，我意識到，我成功的原因並非在於我的能力或設備的質量。我當時在一個極其腐敗的環境中工作，那裏唯一重要的事情就是賄賂。賄賂在印度非常普遍，從最高層到最低層的人都在索要賄賂，但我在印度就是這樣做的。我的職業生涯非常成功，後來我辭去了工作，搬到了加拿大。印度文化中有什麽讓你感到特別驚訝的地方？

印度文化的墮落

這種想法不允許我們像西方或東亞那樣進步。嗯，印度人最大的問題是缺乏道德意識。印度人沒有是非觀念。他們現在可能非常虔誠，但他們的宗教信仰帶有宿命論的色彩，帶有物質主義的色彩。他們害怕某些事物，而這些恐懼又讓他們變得虔誠。但印度的宗教環境並沒有帶來任何精神上的覺醒，也沒有帶來道德意識。印度是一片道德意識的荒漠。這個國家沒有道德意識。現在人們懂得並說正確的話。所以，如果你問別人，腐敗是壞事嗎？盜竊是壞事嗎？嗯，他們都會說對的，但他們的行為卻並非如此。你可以在街上遇到親戚或某個人，那個人會告訴你腐敗有多嚴重，如果他當上了國家的總理，當著你的麵，他會怎麽做。

五分鍾後，這個人到處行賄，獲取不勞而獲的利益。現在他甚至不一定會把屬於他的東西送給新娘，但他行賄是為了侵占他人財富，或者是為了增加自己獲得不屬於自己的東西的機會。所以，印度人根本沒有道德良知。印度人大談是非對錯，但最終卻沒有在國家層麵付諸實踐。這難道不諷刺嗎？

這片土地，這個國家，道德意識的荒漠，虛偽的土地，因為虛偽隨處可見，卻也孕育了如此多的大師和服裝。這沒什麽奇怪的。我們或許應該對印度創造的所有偉大哲學家抱有強烈的民族主義和崇敬之情，而印度確實也創造了一些偉人。但請記住，地球上五分之一或六分之一的人是印度人。所以，如果五分之一的哲學家是印度人，那這的確是件好事。但我們甚至連五分之一的偉大哲學家都不是來自印度。如果隻有一位的話。如果真的是二百分之一，那我才會感到驚訝，我也會非常驚訝，所以我們並沒有創造出那麽多哲學家，但是話雖如此，印度創造了一些偉人，但是每個國家都創造了自己的偉人，我不得不說，在當前的民族主義環境中，印度人認為他們是人類的搖籃，他們完全錯了，印度不是人類的搖籃，雖然印度創造了一些偉大的哲學家，但他們中的大多數是在離開印度並開始在西方社會生活後才得到認可的，呃，你認為我們如何改革印度文化，嗯，改革印度文化沒有簡單的方法，這不是一個需要幾代人或幾個世紀的過程，這很容易花費一千年，改變社會是一個非常漫長的過程，在社會中創造道德意識是一個非常漫長的過程，因為一切都是相互聯係的，你不能孤立地創造道德意識，這是一個整體的過程，是一個有機的過程，這是一個需要非常如果你回顧歐洲曆史，你會發現他們花了很長時間，呃，很多很多個世紀，我可能會說三千年，才達到今天的水平。呃，你知道，即使在那時，一切都很脆弱，所以創造道德意識是一項極其艱巨的任務。呃，我們當然可以做的就是邁出第一步。現在，第一步是什麽？我的觀點是，我們應該吸引最優秀的人才來管理國家的機構。因為民主，我們引進了最差勁的人來管理我們的機構。實際上，我們的機構裏都是些底層人士，

他們極其腐敗，極其以自我為中心，唯物主義，是地球上真正最壞的人。現在，我們怎樣才能找到最優秀的人才來管理政府呢？看看阿拉伯聯合酋長國是如何運作的，

或者看看新加坡或香港是如何運作的，看看台灣、韓國甚至日本是如何運作的。他們的做法是，他們經常從世界各地引進最優秀的人才來管理。他們的機構我們也應該做同樣的事情，我們應該擺脫印度這些愚蠢、徹底愚蠢、智商低下的政客，極其殘暴的官僚，用世界上最能幹的人來代替他們，把他們從美國帶來，從英國帶來，把他們安置在那裏，管理你們機構的人不一定是印度人，對我來說，誰來管理我的機構並不重要，隻要這些機構能夠履行職責，我認為這是第一步，引進來自世界各地的最優秀人才來管理我們的機構，但這隻是有可能的。

兩害相權取其輕

說到民主，我想問你一個問題，我之前在節目裏問過蘇丹·拉吉，在過去幾次選舉中，我以前投票的時候，都是投兩害相權取其輕的票，但現在我根本不想投票，幹脆抵製選舉和民主。你認為我們印度人應該怎麽做？我們應該投票還是不投票？嗯，如果我知道誰是兩害相權取其輕，我很樂意投那個票，嗯，但這幾乎是不可能的。普拉瑟姆，嗯，問題是你試圖區分三分之一的狗肉A和三分之一的肉B，現在哪一個更美味，我不知道，我沒有調色板來區分這三個，這就是我們今天麵臨的問題。嗯，當我看到美國正在發生的事情，當特朗普和拜登之間展開競爭時，嗯，如果我必須投票，我很樂意去投票給特朗普，因為

在我看來，差異很大。在我看來，特朗普顯然比拜登好得多。但當我看印度時，我發現政客之間沒有區別，他們幾乎是一樣的。是的，從表麵上看，一個政客可能比另一個政客更好，但我和他們並不親近，我沒有每天和他們在一起，我對他們沒有足夠的了解，無法判斷哪一個更好。所以如果我在印度，我很可能不會投票，因為我的選票在那個國家真的沒有什麽區別。

印度缺乏道德價值觀

如果我們放棄社會主義，接受自由主義，印度會更好嗎？這完全是無稽之談，普拉瑟姆，說印度實行社會主義，印度根本沒有社會主義。印度是一個聯邦製國家，是一個原始叢林國家。社會主義對印度來說將是一個巨大的積極舉措。還記得嗎，在20世紀60年代、70年代和80年代，印度得到了蘇聯的幫助，而蘇聯是一個社會主義共產主義國家。

蘇聯的人均GDP是印度的很多很多倍。

如果我沒記錯的話，它至少是印度人均GDP的10到20倍。所以，社會主義國家比印度表現得非常好，而且社會主義國家現在仍然比印度好得多。看看印度和古巴的比較，古巴比印度富裕得多。再看看厄瓜多爾，厄瓜多爾比印度富裕得多。事實上，拉丁美洲大部分國家都是左翼國家。這是社會主義，但他們比印度好得多，所以呃社會主義是一個可怕的概念，pratham，不要誤會我的意思，但印度製度比社會主義糟糕得多，社會主義至少需要第一秩序的道德價值觀，對吧，印度甚至沒有第一秩序的道德價值觀，對吧，印度隻是一個叢林，它是一個聯邦製的地方，沒有對錯，社會主義者至少開始思考什麽是對的，什麽是錯的，他們錯了，但印度甚至還沒有開始這個過程，所以我們比社會主義國家糟糕得多，與我們本來的社會主義國家相比，呃

多樣性與覺醒文化

好吧，換個完全不同的話題。長期以來，西方的自由主義者一直認為多樣性是好的，社會將從中受益。但與此同時，全球化和多樣性也摧毀了地方文化和小型社區。最多元化的城市往往犯罪率最高。但看看你，一個加拿大的棕色人種，你似乎從全球化和多樣性中受益。總的來說，我們應該感謝多樣性，還是應該批評它？哦，我就是多樣性和全球化的巨大受益者。如果我以前被困在印度的一個小鎮上，收入幾乎與現在相比一無所獲，我的生活很美好。即使在印度，我的生活也很美好。我也是薪酬更高的高管之一。我20出頭的時候，在印度擔任兩家歐洲公司的首席執行官。所以，嗯，我的生活很棒。全球化和多樣性給了我很多，但是什麽呢？它給予我的東西並不代表它給予了普通人。

我的觀點是，如今的印度在很多方麵都比30年前糟糕得多。

在科技興起、進步興起之前，原因當然是pratham說的。

看起來，如果我們沒有經曆這場科技革命，你的生活會比現在好得多。

但無論你住在哪裏，隻要開車出去，

離你住的地方10公裏，你就會發現汙染比30年前嚴重得多。

人們迫切需要食物和工作。呃，你知道人們有手機，

但他們在手機上看的是色情內容，交換迷信，所以他們的受教育程度

並不比沒有科技的時候高。所以，如果你看看全球化，我認為90%的印度人並沒有從這場全球化、科技革命，甚至所謂的經濟進步中獲得任何好處。

剩下的一半人可能從中受益，但這並不能說明情況。普通人

呃，現在的多元化，對西方社會來說無異於自殺。

因為隻要美國人、加拿大人、澳大利亞人和新西蘭人

還在引進來自歐洲或東亞（東亞指的是日本、韓國、

還有中國）的人才，他們就把歐洲和

東亞的精華帶到美國、加拿大、澳大利亞和新西蘭。現在，這種情況在過去四五十年裏發生了變化，

因為他們取消了移民必須是歐洲人的要求。

現在，他們引進來自世界各地的人。問題是，當他們引進來自第三世界國家的人時，

他們大多引進的是沒有道德意識的人，問題依然存在。

再說一次，普拉瑟姆，如果你

呃，如果你向來自非洲、印度次大陸，甚至拉丁美洲的人敞開大門，你就會讓更多缺乏道德意識的人湧入你的國家，而這正是問題所在。比如說今天的美國或加拿大，它們都是偉大的民族大熔爐，但如果你擁有道德意識，如果你相信西方文明的價值觀，它們就是偉大的民族大熔爐。但你清楚地看到，在過去的40到60年裏，那些移居到美國、加拿大、澳大利亞和新西蘭的人，都是物質至上、缺乏道德意識的人，這在一定程度上對這些國家的文化產生了負麵影響。你對自由進步主義者所宣揚和傳播的“文化和癌症文化”有什麽看法？因為你在過去幾分鍾裏說過，來自第三世界國家、非洲、南亞的人沒有道德意識，你可以這麽說，但如果一個白人說了和你一樣的話，自由主義者會給他貼上種族主義者或白人民族主義者的標簽，即使他客觀上是對的。當然，你知道，這就是我想為我今天所居住的地方做出貢獻的方式，我想利用我能夠……比白人多做幾件事，這本不該發生。我們應該能夠自由發言，我們

應該能夠說出自己的想法，人們應該有機會

與我爭論辯論，或者說我錯了。但如今，被取消的

文化在西方社會占據了主導地位，覺醒文化占據了主導地位。

現在，在我全麵回複你之前，讓我先解釋一下“自由主義”這個詞。“自由主義”這個詞非常令人困惑。在英國，“自由主義”這個詞意味著與自由、個性和自我責任有關。它與榮譽和正直的概念有關。而在美國和加拿大，“自由主義”的含義則完全不同。它意味著沒有自我責任感。它意味著盯著別人的錢包，試圖從別人的口袋裏偷走盡可能多的錢。

西方的衰落

雖然西方在過去一個多世紀裏發展得相當不錯，這得益於理性和理性思考，但在過去的一二十年裏，主要是因為左翼自由主義者和進步主義者，西方似乎正在慢慢地

衰落，出生率下降，犯罪率上升，政治正確性，他們甚至對如何定義男人和女人感到困惑，我們是否正在見證西方的末日？是的，我的意思是讓我糾正一下，我認為西方社會在過去的一百年裏表現不佳，我認為西方社會已經達到了它的巔峰，幾百年前，這不一定立即反映在經濟上，西方在文化上比現在優越得多，大概一百五十年前，西方社會比現在優越得多，是的，西方社會已經達到了頂峰，西方社會正在迅速地惡化，嗯，我認為地球上最好的國家是美國

嗯，一個我曾經熱愛、現在仍然熱愛、並且仍然在那裏度過很多時間的國家，正在走向衰落速度最快，最大的問題就是所謂的多樣性，也就是你之前提到的那個。多樣性意味著他們接納了來自世界各地的各種人，這些人拒絕融入社會，拒絕尊重西方文明，拒絕理解西方文化，對西方哲學一無所知。所以美國現在有大量這樣的人。事實上，如果你看看統計數據，就會發現加拿大和澳大利亞的第一代或第二代移民的數量。你就能大致了解未來會是什麽樣子。我認為大約26%的澳大利亞人和加拿大人是第一代移民，這意味著他們可能有一半的人口是第一代或第二代移民。如果移民太多，那麽來自自己社會之外的人就會稀釋你的文明。我完全理解，如果你隻移民0.1%的人。你們的人口來自你們社會之外，但讓這個比例達到25%到50%真的太可怕了，對你們的社會來說簡直是自殺，而西方國家就是這麽做的。還有很多其他原因，但這隻是我認為其中一個原因，舒適、奢侈和閑暇時間……對社會文化……可能有害，也可能有害。

因為它會讓你變得遲鈍，讓你對繼續為文明而奮鬥的必要性缺乏認識。

我認為這在西方社會也發生過。他們沒有……所以他們……沒有這種為正義而戰的衝動。

也就是說，他們不一定會……像50年前那樣……挺身而出。現在，我必須再次強調，像印度這樣的國家和像加拿大這樣的國家之間存在著巨大的差異。如果加拿大街頭出現任何麻煩，

許多人都會挺身而出幫助你。這是一個偉大的社會，但與過去相比……存在和競爭，看看西方這些國家的發展方向，我相當確信，西方的黃金時代已經結束，而且正在迅速衰落。

經濟與道德價值觀

呃，我知道印度缺乏道德意識和生產性文化，但我們先把這個問題放在一邊，假設這根本不是問題，一旦我們解決了這些道德和文化問題，你認為印度能從自由主義和無政府資本主義中受益嗎？嗯，你的意思是，砍掉樹根，如果我們給樹施肥、給它通風，樹會長得好嗎？不幸的是，如果你沒有打好根基，樹就長不起來，再也直不起來，最終會倒塌。

相信我，沒有道德意識，就沒有進步。你可以取得一些短期的進步，你的生活可能會有一些短期的改善，但這是不可持續的。你可以看看過去30年發生的事情，如果你不同意我的觀點，Pratham，但印度人的健康狀況在過去30年裏迅速惡化，現在…… 40歲的人走路都走不直，因為他吃了太多糖，吃了太多垃圾食品，他把時間花在了太多的休閑上。他壓力太大，因為他想賺越來越多的錢，最終的結果是，在我看來，進步並沒有真正對很多人的情緒和心理健康產生多大好處。看看女性，呃，在過去的30年裏，這個國家的女性獲得了很大的自由，但我害怕在飛機上坐在一個女人旁邊，我的意思是，她最終可能會以在擁擠的飛機上強奸我的罪名指控我，這在今天的印度確實可能發生。所以，如果根源不正確，如果原則不存在，那麽一切都會被用於墮落的目的。沒有道德意識，一切都不可能。什麽是自由主義，什麽是資本主義？資本主義和自由主義是非常深刻的道德概念。它們不是經濟概念。記住，即使是“經濟”這個詞的含義也發生了變化。當亞當·斯密寫他的書時，他寫了關於這本書的名字是什麽？社會的道德情操，或者其他什麽，我不記得了。這本書是關於道德價值觀的，經濟學是關於道德價值觀的，自由主義是關於道德價值觀的，資本主義是關於道德價值觀的，那麽你怎麽能把道德價值觀從一個實際上是道德概念的東西中分離出來呢？呃，你可以強製執行一個道德結構，但至少這個道德結構必須由有道德的人來執行，所以你，我，這就是我最初說的，你必須從世界各地引進最優秀的人，他們有道德意識，有技能，有能力，知道對錯之分，如果他們創造了一個結構，社會確實可以改善，但如果你認為你可以消除道德價值觀，仍然有一個進步的社會，那你就錯了，我認為我能想到的唯一解決辦法

墮落的印度文化 - 第二部分

聽了你所說的一切，我們不得不推翻印度的民主，如果我們……推翻民主，有什麽實際的選擇？Pratham，你知道，今天人們認為，嗯，印度人想要爭取……呃，所謂的自由，呃，我的意思是，記住，印度從未獲得過自由，從未獲得過獨立，統治者從英國人變成了呃，腦死亡的虐待狂，這就是我們今天所擁有的，呃，對我來說真的重要嗎？

是白人強奸我，還是棕色人種強奸我，如果我被強奸，我無論如何都會被強奸。我隻希望強奸犯對我不那麽殘忍，顯然……英國人不那麽殘忍，如果你能比較一下英國和……印度現政權的殘忍程度，我的意思是，今天去警察局，人們會被警察公開毆打，但法院卻沒有采取任何行動。不要對警察采取任何行動，警察可以逍遙法外，而這在1947年之前英國統治印度時是不存在的。我們現在知道，因為我們被告知的曆史是選擇性的，我們隻學到了曆史的一小部分，我們被告知印度人正在為獨立而戰，不，印度人並沒有為獨立而戰。少數在英國接受教育的人回到印度，發起了這場所謂的獨立運動。大多數社會人士對這場獨立運動一無所知，也不感興趣。據我所知，很多領導人，比如拉賓德拉納特·泰戈爾，並不支持獨立運動。事實上，拉姆·莫漢·羅伊是利用英國來改變印度文化、改善印度文化、結束殉道製、結束印度教和伊斯蘭教的邪惡可怕的方麵的積極參與者。所以很多印度領導人都支持英國，他們希望英國繼續統治，他們不喜歡這場獨立運動，他們知道會發生什麽。如果印度現在實現了所謂的獨立，pratham，你有沒有在國內任何地方看到過拉賈拉姆莫漢羅伊的雕像？我不這麽認為，沒有，沒有，我們沒有，我們不承認那些改變我們社會的人，拉賈拉姆莫漢羅伊，他是結束薩蒂普拉塔的關鍵人物，好吧，現在女權組織應該承認他為印度所做的一切，嗯，我們沒有，嗯，嗯，現在英國布裏斯托爾的拉賈拉姆莫漢羅伊雕像在哪裏，因為我們看不到人類的偉大，所以我們不承認他們的偉大，所以一方麵，有很多領導人反對所謂的獨立運動，他們知道如果印度獲得所謂的獨立，印度會發生什麽，但印度的大量人口也知道一旦英國人離開會發生什麽，40年代印度出現了大規模的人口外流， 50年代，他們去了英國生活，現在這些人，呃，你知道你可以把我算在這些人之中，我們擺脫了白人，然後我最終生活在一個白人國家，理論上由白人統治，所以很多人認識到印度人無法管理我們的機構，印度人會摧毀一切，在40年代和50年代，他們離開印度，定居在英國，他們做得非常好，因為這是離開印度去西方生活的印度人的精英，是的，嗯

印度的權力下放

如果我們的國家權力下放或解體，印度會更好嗎？嗯，嗯，你知道印度會權力下放，它會解體，嗯，你知道，有趣的是，我們相信成為全球強國，

我們相信印度對世界的重要性，但印度對世界來說並不重要，根本沒人關心這個國家。

這裏的人們口頭上支持印度，但除此之外，他們根本不關心印度。印度正在分崩離析。走出家門，印度正在分崩離析。

因為印度領導人的素質太低，而且實際上很消極，因為他們真的腦子不好使，他們真的是癮君子，他們真的是虐待狂，印度正在你眼前崩潰。你隻需要出去走走，感受一下這個社會是如何運轉的。現在沒有什麽能維持這個國家的團結。低智商的人的問題在於，這些虐待狂的問題在於，他們甚至無法管理一個小係統，但他們想把係統做得更大。規模更大，因為這能讓他們獲得更大的生態滿足感，從而更好地控製社會。但他們在精神上無力管理大型機構，嗯，而且對於任何嚐試過管理印度人來說，這都很簡單，嗯

你知道，如果你有一個隻有五個人的小型製造廠，試著管理他們，這是一項極其艱巨的工作，因為沒有人能做好自己的工作，除非你不停地監督他，所以你不可能擁有更大的機構、更大的運營和一個集權的國家，而印度有這種強烈的集權本能，印度會分崩離析，印度會隨著時間的推移而瓦解，但這對國家有益嗎？你試圖比較狗a的三分之一和狗b的三分之一，嗯，記住，在英國人到來之前，印度從來都不是一個國家，印度是英國的產物。

現在印度是英國的產物，而且

在印度人的管理下，印度會變成部落，成為一個聯邦製國家，他們會自動瓦解，嗯，我不確定情況會好轉還是惡化。不管印度會發生什麽，印度人的生活未來都會比現在糟糕得多。印度人的生活隨著時間的推移越來越糟，所以請記住，無論我們是實行集權還是分權，印度都不會改善。

除非我們找到更好的領導人來管理國家。是的。

你對印度人和整個印度的批評非常準確，

我相信很多印度人會非常震驚，因為當我走出家門，和人們交談，或者當我查看WhatsApp群組裏的家人時，他們充滿希望，他們會說，在納倫德拉·莫迪的領導下，印度會成為世界領袖，他們會用這些誇張的詞匯，諸如民族主義、沙文主義之類的詞匯。你認為為什麽現實和印度人的想象之間存在如此巨大的矛盾？這實際上是一個巨大的問題。

對於印度人來說，很多人會根據他們對印度未來的看法來反駁我。

現在你不能拿蘋果來比較了。和

和大象，別再拿蘋果和橘子比較了，他們總是拿蘋果和大象比較。

你知道，我參加過一些投資會議，有人告訴我，印度未來20年的經濟增長率將達到每年15%，而且會

超過美國，因此印度現在比美國更好。這真是愚蠢得令人難以置信，但印度的邏輯有其自身的結構，完全不合理，而且隻適用於所謂的受過教育的人。呃，兄弟，有件事我告訴你，非常有趣。呃，我在西方生活了30年，你知道，我之前批評過西方社會關於覺醒的人，

你知道，我可以和人們坐下來批評美國的某些政策，為什麽它應該

幹涉中東事務，我可以說，嘿，美國軍隊毫無理由地殺了那麽多人，我不記得有哪個美國人告訴我，為什麽我反美，為什麽我不喜歡美國。不要因為我說了什麽關於美國的負麵言論就得出結論，因為我說的都是我在印度的反美態度。幾乎每次我說了任何對印度不利的話，我都會立刻被指責為反民族主義者。就是這樣，這就是說，印度人對一切都很情緒化，隻要看事實，堅持事實，討論事實，而不是情緒化。事實上，我站出來發聲，不是因為我反印度，也不是因為我討厭印度，我希望印度進步，我希望印度好，但這隻有當我能指出印度社會存在的錯誤時才有可能。如果我們不指出這些錯誤，什麽都不會改變，但印度人不會聽我的。問題是他們沒有道德意識，他們奉行的是權宜之計、物質主義和自我中心主義。

疫情威權主義

正在轉向一個完全不同但重要的話題。你對正在進行的貪婪威權主義有什麽看法？嗯，嗯，天哪，我的意思是，這真的太蠢了。2016年11月，納倫德拉·莫迪宣布廢鈔時我在印度。2020年初，他關閉了所有地方，我也在印度。

嗯，我認為這些決定，即使是小學生也不應該接受。他們太幼稚太天真了，對國家沒有任何好處。嗯，說到廢鈔，現在印度的現金比以往任何時候都多。嗯，印度的腐敗現象更嚴重。現在印度的受賄和現金交易比以往任何時候都多。我最近在印度參與了一些事情。我告訴你，我離開印度的時候，印度還沒有今天這麽腐敗。我的意思是，如今腐敗的賄賂在這個國家公開進行。現在，說到貪婪，我的意思是這個。簡直瘋了，那些本應是社會道德脊梁的印度中產階級竟然毫無脊梁可言，他們根本沒有

為社會提供任何精神營養。我的意思是，這些白癡在他們的公寓樓裏敲打著鍋碗瓢盆，以為敲打那些鍋碗瓢盆就能擺脫貪婪。他們根本不明白，99%的印度人會遭遇什麽。是的，這些住在封閉式社區的印度中產階級，有傭人，可以在家工作，他們可能還能拿到工資，因為他們在公共部門公司或大公司工作，這些公司會繼續支付工資。但是，那些住在農業區村莊的傭人、傭人，98%的人，99%的人，他們不得不步行數千公裏回家，因為納倫德拉·莫迪憑借他至高無上的智慧，叫停了所有航班、火車和公共汽車。這些人在炎炎夏日裏，帶著孩子和行李步行回家，數百人……數千公裏，我的意思是，這是一場毫無意義的人道主義災難。我想說，我的意思是，納倫德拉·莫迪真的應該麵臨種族滅絕的指控，因為他做出了一些荒唐的決定。印度警察毆打那些試圖去醫院或試圖從令人窒息的棚戶區出來的人。這太荒唐了。其他地方也發生過封鎖，但印度的情況沒有這麽荒唐。對於一個窮國來說，印度確實是一個特殊的國家，因為很多其他貧窮國家認為，我們太窮了，無法效仿中國或美國的方式。我們應該讓社會保持開放，承擔後果。他們做得比印度這樣的國家好得多。我們摧毀了經濟，我們拿數億人的生命開玩笑。我想說一些有點殘忍的話。這些人，這些可憐的移民，他們走了幾百英裏，卻死在路上。我也很生他們的氣，因為他們也要為此負部分責任。就在這場移民危機之後，比哈爾邦舉行了選舉，這個邦輸送了大量移民勞工，他們讓人民黨的聯盟再次獲勝。所以，這些可憐的人投票支持自己的苦難，這很諷刺。這又回到了缺乏道德意識的問題上，抱歉，是缺乏道德意識。他們無法正確地串聯起問題，因為他們沒有道德意識，所以無法區分是非對錯。你看一個普通的印度人，如果他被某個長輩打了，他會怎麽做？他會去打別人，他會去打小紮帕，好吧，他不會反擊他的長輩，你可以看到全國各地都是這種情況。我的意思是，我上的是印度最好的工程學院之一，我對所看到的一切感到非常震驚。當我們在大學裏騷擾新生時，會發生我們所說的欺淩行為，很多人不喜歡。很多新來的人不喜歡，但一年後

他們也做了同樣的事情。當我告訴他們，聽著，這太殘暴了，你為什麽要這麽做？

他們的反應是我們受到了傷害，或者我們被打了，所以我們現在要打人。我說，好吧

這完全沒問題，但與其去打那些和你無關的人，不如去打那些打你的人。印度人，即使是所謂的聰明人，也沒有道德意識，因此他們無法做出正確的決定。印度人

他們認為自己很精明，他們是我認識的最容易上當的人之一，因為他們沒有道德意識。他們沒有，他們的思想沒有堅定的基礎，所以他們無法

區分是非對錯。他們很容易被愚弄。你和一個印度人說好話，他很快就會對你產生好感，而他卻沒有意識到這一點。

加拿大卡車司機和特魯多

加拿大卡車司機起義，我用了“獎勵”這個詞，因為我認為這不是抗議，所以這遠不止於此。嗯，我很高興你問了這個問題，因為當我說疫苗強製令會取消，而且會在接下來的幾周內取消，感謝加拿大卡車司機，加拿大卡車司機在抗議疫苗強製令方麵帶來了一場革命，你必須對他們的所作所為表示高度敬意。嗯，正是如此。我隻是想稍微回答一下你之前關於這個問題的問題，這就是我對印度窮人的期望，也是我對印度中產階級的期望，我本來希望他們在2020年3月貨幣廢除和封鎖期間會說，嘿，我們不會聽信

這種愚蠢的話，你不能把人打得皮開肉綻，警察不能僅僅因為他們死了就把人打得心跳加速，然後去醫院。現在，加拿大卡車司機們帶來了一場革命，他們帶來了他們改變了思維方式，嗯，他們為那些反對日益增長的暴政的人們提供了一種方式，讓他們團結起來，反擊暴政，記住西方文明是一種文明，而且我不得不說，它是

我所知道的唯一文明。印度不是一種文明。第三世界國家不是文明。西方社會

是我所知道的唯一文明。它們之所以成為文明，是因為像這些加拿大卡車司機這樣的人。他們為正義而戰。他們為光榮而戰。他們挺身而出，反對錯誤。嗯，所以是的，卡車司機有加拿大卡車司機。我做得非常出色。如果我對身為加拿大人感到自豪的話，那就是這個。接下來，我將問一個非常尖銳且帶有偏見的問題。嗯，你認為

賈斯汀·特魯多是個懦夫嗎？哦，賈斯汀·特魯多是第三個瓦爾德覺醒者，嗯，自由主義者，他沒有主見，他掌權主要是因為王朝原因，也因為他的長相。很多女人都喜歡他。他的長相讓我很困惑，這在很大程度上說明了民主的本質。這些受過教育的女性因為他的長相而投票給他。她們本可以很容易地去脫衣舞俱樂部，她們可以花五到十五美元去脫衣舞俱樂部，看看一個更帥的男人。這完全是愚蠢的，我的意思是，這家夥是個代課老師，他甚至不是一個正式的老師，他教他滑雪板和滑雪。我的意思是，這家夥沒有管理機構的經驗，最後卻成了首相，這就是民主給機構帶來的墮落。民主就像白蟻，它很快就會吞噬一切，然後所有的機構都會很快被吞噬。我知道你要討論的兩個話題是

加密貨幣有價值嗎？

我經常談論的是投資和自由，嗯，現在我們看到

很多人投資加密貨幣，他們認為這將開啟一個新的經濟自由時代。你對這些加密貨幣有什麽看法？嗯，沒有道德意識的根基，就不會有自由。我們可以，嗯，你可以逃離，你知道你可以

通過對表麵現象進行一些小修小補來逃離暴政環境。

但這隻能造福像你我這樣的人，無法造福於

更多的人。如果更多的人沒有道德覺醒，

我們也會滅亡。所以我們需要的是一個健康的

有道德意識的社會，讓擁有自由的人能夠生存下去。現在加密貨幣

或許加密貨幣或類似的東西可以為那些

追求自由的人提供一條逃生路線，嗯，但這對現在的情況不利，這不會

把社會從暴政中解放出來。加密貨幣是正確的選擇嗎？

嘿，我沒有投資。我認為任何加密貨幣都是由 1 和 0 組成的，沒有任何雲端支持。

對我來說，這賦予了它們零價值，所以我不使用加密貨幣。我看不出加密貨幣有什麽價值。

我不認為加密貨幣能讓你真正擺脫貨幣暴政。呃，問題是有很多。

有很多事情。交易成本巨大。歸根結底，加密貨幣的價值都是以

法定貨幣來衡量的。呃，如果加密貨幣被禁止了怎麽辦？

如果，呃，你沒有網絡連接怎麽辦？呃，我自己也不認為加密貨幣有任何價值。

我認為簡而言之，它們的價值為零。嗯。

頭巾問題與文化偏見

好吧，我住在卡納塔克邦沿海的芒格洛爾。我想你知道最近這個地區發生了什麽。一些公立學校拒絕

穆斯林女孩戴著頭巾進入校園。我們看到雙方的社區緊張局勢和宗教主義都在加劇。戴著藏紅花色披肩的男孩製造了混亂，甚至在某些情況下引發了暴力。而另一方的情況也好不到哪裏去。你怎麽看待這件事？你認為這兩個混亂的宗教之間永遠無法和平共處嗎？不，他們永遠不會和平。問題不在於這兩個宗教，二分法也不在於伊斯蘭教與印度教之間的對立。二分法在於，印度人本身就不愛好和平，他們總是抱怨，把所有的問題都歸咎於別人，總是仇恨他人。所以，如果把印度教徒和穆斯林分開，會發生什麽？穆斯林之間會發生衝突，衝突就會發生。什葉派和遜尼派之間，以及什葉派不同教派之間，正如你在孟加拉國和巴基斯坦看到的那樣，鬥爭將會持續下去。如果印度真的變成了一個隻信奉印度教的國家，會發生什麽？印度教徒會開始內鬥，因為他們會改變信仰，認為自己比毗濕奴教更好，你知道，各種各樣的愚蠢行為都會再次出現。所以問題不在於伊斯蘭教與印度教之間的對立，而在於我們不是理性的、有道德根基的人，除了部落之外，我們基本上都是部落成員。我們總是在與其他部落爭鬥，我們總是在尋找其他部落來戰鬥，然後在我們的部落內部，我們爭奪部落的至高無上地位，誰想成為部落的領袖，所以到處都是爭鬥。這就是你在全國各地看到的情況。你看看印度的任何小團體，任何小辦公室，看看那裏的文化是如何運作的。辦公室裏充斥著可怕的辦公室政治。人們互相憎恨，看看家庭是如何運作的。非常不正常，他們家庭裏的人互相憎恨，所以呃，這個

穆斯林印度教問題不是真正的問題，真正的問題是印度人就是這樣，你如何從根本上改變他們的性格。

印度的腐敗

我無意涉及個人問題，但因為你提到了家庭問題，我看到你臉書上不久前發過帖子，呃，我相信你的一個家庭成員正在騷擾你父親，賄賂一名政府官員，試圖奪走他的土地。呃，那裏到底發生了什麽事？這簡直太瘋狂了。呃，pratham，呃，到底發生了什麽事？我的一個家庭成員聘請了一位律師，這位律師把武裝暴徒帶進了我爸爸的房子，並且控製了整個警察係統，這意味著

沒有人接我爸爸的電話，沒有警察係統，沒有老年人健康熱線接聽我爸爸的電話，警察在沒有進行任何調查的情況下就登記了警方案件。當然，這個國家不一定會進行調查。問題是，沒有社會動力來

找那些有犯罪傾向的人說，嘿，這是錯的，別再做了。我看到的是，社會上的人要麽置身事外，要麽……他們想參與的時候，隻想讓自己看起來不錯，而不是做正確的事情。他們不想告訴傷害我爸爸的人，嘿，你做錯了，退一步，如果你繼續做這些事，我們會在社會上抓到你。但我們沒有那種社會力量，因為我們在社會上缺乏道德意識，而且，在過去三個月裏，我看到社會上腐敗、墮落和墮落的行為簡直駭人聽聞。我現在告訴大家，我對印度的看法完全錯了。印度比我想象的要糟糕一百倍一千倍。印度是一個完全墮落和墮落的社會。印度還有希望嗎？

印度還有希望嗎？

嗯，就像你說的，孤立的人還是有希望的，人們應該一直尋找擺脫困境的出路。呃，你知道那些想用加密貨幣擺脫貨幣暴政的人，我能理解他們，隻是我自己不喜歡加密貨幣，但我能理解他們，有辦法可以擺脫當地的暴政，我完全理解這些人。呃，印度人有出路嗎？是的，我認為印度人有出路，但隻有孤立的印度人，那就是離開這個國家。你知道，看看中國，中國是一個很棒的國家，中國就像一個第一世界國家。我從印度去中國，那裏是個很可愛的地方。去日本、新加坡、香港、台灣，呃，韓國，這些都是很可愛的地方。呃，去西方國家看看，跟印度相比，西方國家要好一千倍、一萬倍。呃，但印度還有希望嗎？沒有。

印度沒有希望。呃我不投資印度，我……呃，就是盡量減少在印度的參與。

中國

好的，嗯，你提到的所有國家，我都同意它們都很棒，比如韓國、日本、台灣等等。但為什麽……你說中國是一個偉大的國家？因為……呃，如果你看看他們的價值體係，你會發現他們對待西藏人和穆斯林的方式非常糟糕，而且他們沒有……言論自由，沒有宗教自由，他們不像西方那樣開明。嗯，嗯，首先，把中國和西方比較是完全錯誤的。中國曾經是第三世界國家，所以如果你想了解中國，你應該把中國和……在20世紀90年代與中國並肩而立的國家進行比較，比如肯尼亞、烏幹達、坦桑尼亞、巴基斯坦，這些才是你應該比較的國家。美國比中國發達得多。中國已經證明了它……繼續在文化和經濟上進步。呃，現在他們對西藏和新疆穆斯林的所作所為，與印度人對東北部省份、那加蘭邦、曼尼普爾邦、阿魯納恰爾邦或查謨和克什米爾人民的所作所為相比，並沒有什麽不尋常之處。我的意思是，我記得印度在獨立後占領果阿和海得拉巴是多麽無恥，大多數人甚至都不知道這些是獨立的國家，印度隻是決定必須接管這些國家，所以與其他第三世界國家對自己少數民族的所作所為相比，中國在西藏和新疆的所作所為並沒有什麽特別糟糕的地方。現在，由於中國人的存在，西藏變得更加富裕。新疆也有自己的問題，但沒有確鑿的證據表明它們是古拉格，它們係統性地強迫監禁新疆的穆斯林信徒，所以我沒有看到確鑿的證據。現在有些政府會這麽說，但我該在多大程度上相信這些政府？美國政府和英國政府聲稱薩達姆·侯賽因統治下的伊拉克擁有大規模殺傷性武器，後來證明這完全是假的。我對辛詹事件了解多少？這些都不是充分的理由，而是因素。中國在任何方麵都不是完美的。我能找出比現在國際上關於中國的國際頭條新聞更糟糕的中國事情。就言論自由而言，讓我告訴你，卡塔姆，我覺得在中國比在印度更自由地發表言論，而且世界各地的言論自由正在迅速消失。看看西方國家，尤其是白人，很多對他們來說重要的事情都不能說。你剛才談到癌症文化，所以在今天的西方社會，你很快就會被取消。那麽，什麽是言論自由？你在印度的言論自由是什麽？是的，理論上你有言論自由，但你可以出去抱怨當地的暴徒，看看會發生什麽。出去抱怨向你索賄的地方官僚，我向你保證，司法係統和警察都不會來幫助你，因為這是順性別，你根本沒有言論自由，所以你不能說出來，原因有很多，所以中國人幾乎可以談論大多數事情，除了他們不能挑戰他們的中央政府和同心中國共產黨的存在，所以是的，我的意思是沒有人是完美的，隻是從總體上來說，我喜歡中國比喜歡印度多一百倍

西方的印度人

好吧，你認為印度人移民到西方後應該怎麽做？哦，我覺得這需要一段時間，需要很多年才能開始理解西方文明，呃，但你應該隻在你喜歡西方文明、喜歡西方哲學的情況下才搬到西方社會。呃，如果你搬到西方隻是為了賺更多的錢，或者為了讓你的生活在物質上變得更好，那麽在我看來，你對西方社會來說是負麵價值。大多數搬到西方的人，呃，沒有道德意識，他們對西方哲學不感興趣，他們隻是為了賺錢，他們是物質主義者，呃，但呃，你知道，如果你對西方文化和西方社會感興趣，呃，你仍然需要時間來了解西方社會是如何運作的，呃，但這種人應該搬走，如果他們搬走，他們應該多關注西方社會的道德意識，最後

人生目標

我想我應該結束這個話題了。播客裏有一個非常模糊的問題，呃，人生的目的是什麽？哦，人生的目的是什麽？嗯，我還沒想清楚。Pratham，我真的很想知道，你知道我看待人生的方式是，我的下一步應該比上一步更好。因為我不清楚目標是什麽，所以我隻關心確保我的下一步比上一步更好。這意味著我應該以誠實、正直、榮譽和自我責任感來生活，而這正是自由主義發揮作用的地方。嗯，我的生活並非以物質主義為中心。我不追求金錢。現在，錢會來找我，這是完全不同的事情。但我不追求金錢。我隻是在努力提升自己，作為一個人。希望隨著時間的推移，隨著我繼續過著更光榮、更自我負責的生活，隨著我不斷提升自己，希望我目標麵前的那片雲，也就是人生的目的，能夠變得更加清晰。非常感謝你參加我的播客，這是一次非常有教育意義的對話，非常感謝你給我這個機會

Jayant Bhandari: Indian Culture, Western Civilization, Canadian Truckers, Wokeism

2022年2月12日 The Labyrinth Podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSkxycGcjQ&t=702s

Jayant Bhandari is an investor and entrepreneur, particularly in the natural resource sector. He is a contributing editor for the Liberty Magazine and he has written on political, economic and cultural issues for the Liberty Magazine, the Mises Institute, Casey Research, Mining Journal, etc. He runs a yearly philosophy seminar in Vancouver called Capitalism & Morality. In this episode, we discuss Indian culture, moral degradation, the West & the Rest, libertarianism, Woke culture, Western Civilization, Covid authoritarianism, lockdowns, Canadian truckers revolt, Justin Trudeau’s cowardice, demonetisation, cryptocurrencies and India’s corrupt bureaucratic system. Recorded February 11th, 2022 Instagram:   / thelabyrinth.podcast   Podcaster: Pratham Padav | Twitter: @whoispadav | Telegram: Projectionist Guest: Jayant Bhandari | Website: http://jayantbhandari.com/ | YouTube:    / jayantbhandari  

Chapters:

 0:00 Intro

 0:47 Prior Life In India

 2:08 Degraded Indian Culture

 10:36 Lesser Of 2 Evils

 12:51 Lack Of Moral Values In India

 15:03 Diversity & Woke Culture

 22:56 The Fall Of The West

 27:19 Economics & Moral Values

 30:58 Degraded Indian Culture-Part 2

 35:41 Decentralization Of India

 42:51 Pandemic Authoritarianism

 51:33 Canadian Truckers & Trudeau

 55:02 Does Crypto Have Value?

 57:15 Hijab Issue & Cultural Bigotry

 1:00:03 Corruption In India

 1:02:16 Is There Hope For India?

 1:03:34 China

 1:08:16 Indians In The West

 1:09:30 Purpose Of Life

 

Intro

welcome to the labyrinth i'm your host pratum padal if you would like to support my podcast

buy my t-shirt link is in the description my guest today is jayanth bhandari

he is an investor and entrepreneur particularly in the natural resource sector

he is also a contributing editor of the liberty magazine and he's also

written articles on political economic and cultural issues for the myceas institute

casey research mining journal etc he runs a yearly philosophy seminar in

vancouver called capitalism and morality okay welcome to the labyrinth giant

Prior Life In India

so i want to start by asking prior to moving to canada how was your

life here in india well pratham i was a very successful

executive in india before i left the country i started indian operations of two

european companies one of them became the biggest

supplier of equipment in its market in the country so i had two very good successes in

india and that's when uh i realized that uh

the reason for my successes were different from uh my competencies or the quality of my

equipment uh it i was operating in an in an extraordinary corrupt environment uh

where the only thing that mattered was bribes uh

it was universal in which the guy from the very top to the guy to

the very bottom was asking for bribes but that's what i was doing in india i

had a very successful career i left my job and i moved to canada at one point

of time what is it about indian culture that you

Degraded Indian Culture

think does not allow us to progress the way the west or the way east asia has

progressed um one biggest problem with indians is that

indians do not have moral consciousness indians do not have a concept of right

and wrong now they can be very religious but they are religious in a very fatalistic sense

in a very materialistic sense they are afraid of things which makes them really

make them religious but indian religious environment does not lead to any

spiritual awakening it does not lead to a moral consciousness

and india is a desert of moral consciousness there's

no moral consciousness in the country now people know and speak the right

thing so you know if you ask people is corruption bad is theft bad uh they will

all say the right things but that's not what their behavior shows

you can meet your relatives or someone on the street and that person will tell you

how bad corruption is and what he would do if he became the prime minister of the country and right in front of you

five minutes later this person goes around giving bribes for unearned benefits now he does not even

necessarily give bride for what belongs to him but he gives bribes to

expropriate a wealth of other people or

or improve his chances of getting something which doesn't do something that does not belong to him so

again indians simply do not have moral conscience consciousness

indians talk big about what is right and wrong but at the end of the

day there is no application of moral consciousness in the country isn't it very ironic that

the land this country that is a desert of moral consciousness

it's a land of hypocrisy because that's something that we see everywhere also produces so many gurus and garments

there's nothing strange about it we might want to feel very nationalistic

and great about all the great philosophers india has created and indeed india has created some great

men but remember one out of five or one out of six people on the planet

is an indian so if you have as many as one out of five philosophers as indians uh then

it's something to uh feel good about but we don't even have one out of five great philosophers

coming from india if it's one out of a hundred i would be surprised if it's actually one out of 200 i would be very

surprised as well so no we don't create all that many philosophers but having

said that india has created some great men but every country has created its great men

i have to say that in the current nationalistic environment where indians think that they are the

cradle of humanity they are completely wrong india isn't a cradle of humanity

and while india has created given some great philosophers most of them got

recognized once they had left india and had started living in the western

society uh how do you think we can reform indian culture

um well there is no easy way to reform the indian culture

this is not a process which takes a few generations or a few centuries this can easily take a millennia

changing society is a very long process creating moral consciousness in the

society is a very very long process because everything is linked together

you can't just create moral consciousness in isolation it's it's a holistic process it's an

organic process it's a process that takes a very very long time if you look at the european history

it took them uh many many many centuries probably i would say three millennia before they

started getting to where they are today uh and you know even then

everything is fragile so creating a moral consciousness is an extremely hard

job uh what we can certainly do is to take the first step forward now what

would that first step be my view is that we should be attracting the very best people to run the

institutions of the country because of democracy we bring in the

very worst people to run our institutions and really our institutions are populated by people who are at the

bottom of the barrel people they are horrendously corrupt they are horrendously self-centered and

materialistic and truly the worst people on the planet

now how can we bring the best people to run the government look at how united arab emirates run

first or look at how singapore or hong kong grants look at how taiwan of south korea and

even japan runs what they do is that often they bring in

the very best people from around the world to run their institutions we should do

the same thing we should get rid of all these stupid thoroughly stupid low iq

politicians extremely sadistic uh bureaucrats that

india has and replace them with some of the most competent people in the

world bring them from america bring them from the uk put them in place there

the person who runs your institutions does not have to be an indian it does not matter to me

pratham who runs my institutions as long as the institutions do the job they are

supposed to do so i think that would be the first step bring in the very best people from

around the world to run our institutions but that is only going to be possible once we get rid of democracy democracy

does not allow a thought process that would lead to bringing the very best people

from the world to run our institutions and actually what we have done over the last

50 to 70 years is that we have inverted everything now we have a democratic

system in which the masses who are tribal who are uneducated who have no

moral consciousness who are desperate vote on the basis of their

extraordinarily limited self-centered thinking survivalist thinking

and then on top of that we have implemented all kinds of affirmative action policies the what we

call reservation in india which means that the quality of people

in the institutions is far worse than it would have been had we

just kept our democrat ourselves democratic plus meritocratic for the government system

because today we have virtually no meritocracy in the government jobs the institutions

uh people if you go to a government office and i think whenever people praise india indians praise india they

should at least attempt to go to a government office and try to feel in try

to feel try to understand with their feelings what a government

office looks like and what it feels like and they realize that people working in the government are not just corrupt they

are thoroughly stupid and thoroughly sadistic

and totally unskilled and totally incompetent and that is the kind of institutions we have today

Lesser Of 2 Evils

speaking of democracy i'm going to ask you the same question that i asked sudan raj in my previous episode

in the past couple of elections when i used to vote in the election i i was voting for the lesser of two evils but

now i'm thinking of not voting at all and just boycotting the idea of

elections and democracy what do you think we indians should do should we vote or not vote

uh well i would be uh happy to vote for the lesser of the two evils

if i knew who the lesser of the two evils is uh but that is virtually impossible

pratham uh the problem is that you are trying to differentiate between a

third of dog a from third of talk b now which one is more delicious i don't know

i have no palette to differentiate between two thirds and that's the problem we exist in today

now uh when i look at what's happening in america when there is a competition

between uh uh trump and biden

uh and if i had to vote i would very happily go and vote for trump because

the difference is so much in my opinion from my eyes trump

is clearly a much much much better candidate than biden is but when i look

at india i see no difference between politicians they

are virtually the same and yes at a superficial level one politician

might look better than the other but then i'm not close to them i'm not

spending my day-to-day time with them i don't have enough information about all of them to able to judge which one is

better than the other so if i were in india i would very likely

not vote because my vote really makes no difference in that country

Lack Of Moral Values In India

would india be better off if we abandoned the socialism and adopted

libertarianism well it's a complete myth pratham that india

has socialism india does not have socialism at all india is a federal

country it's a wild jungle socialism would be a huge

positive move for india and remember uh in the 1960s 70s 80s

india was being helped by ussr which was a socialist communist country uh it

ussr's gdp per capita was many many times that of india

if i recall it correct it was at least 10 20 times more than indian gdp per capita was so socialist

countries did very well compared to india and socialist countries continue to do

much better than india look at compare india with let's say cuba

cuba is a much richer country than india is look at ecuador ecuador

is a much better much richer country than india is in fact most of latin

america is leftist it's socialist but they are much better much nicer than

india is so uh socialism is a horrible concept pratham

don't get me wrong there but indian system is far worse than socialism

socialism require at least the first order of moral values right india hasn't

got even the first order of moral values right india is just a jungle it's a federal

place where there is no right and wrong socialists at least start thinking what

is right and wrong and they get it wrong but india hasn't even started that process

so we are far worse off than a socialist country uh as a

compared to what we would have been where we are socialist country uh

Diversity & Woke Culture

okay moving uh to a completely different topic uh for a very long time uh liberals in

the west have said that diversity is good and society will benefit from it

but at the same time globalization and diversity has destroyed local cultures and smaller

communities the most diverse cities also have the highest crime rates

but look at you as a brown man in canada you seem to have benefited from

globalization and diversity overall should we be grateful for diversity or should we criticize it oh

well i have been a massive beneficiary of diversity and globalization i would

have been stuck in a small town in india earning

virtually nothing compared to what i do now my life is wonderful so and my life was

wonderful even when i was in india i was one of the better paid better place executives i

was the ceo of two european companies in india in my early 20s so that was uh

you know my my life has been great uh globalization and diversity has given me

a lot but what it has given me does not mean it has given to the average person

my view is that india is in many ways far worse today than it was 30 years

back before the technology kicked in before progress kicked in and the reason is pratham that of course

it seems that your life is much better than it would what it would have been had we not gone through this

technological revolution but go outside wherever you live drive

out 10 kilometers from where you live and you realize that the pollution is far worse than it was 30 years back

people are desperate for food and jobs uh there is uh you know people have

mobile phones but what they watch on mobile phones is pornography and exchange superstitions so they are

no better educated than they would have been without that technology so if you

look at globalization i don't think uh 90 of indians have benefited in any way

from this globalization and technical revolution and even the so-called economic progress uh what they have

and remaining half might have benefited from it but that does not tell you the situation of the average

guy uh now diversity and has been uh suicidal for the western society

because as long as americans canadians australians and new zealand people were

bringing in people from europe or east asia east asia being japan korea

and china they were bringing the very best of europe and

east asia to the us and canada australia and new zealand now that situation has changed

over the last 40 to 50 years because they have uh removed this requirement

of immigrant to be european now they bring in people from all over

the world and the problem is that when they bring in people from the third world countries

they mostly uh bring in people who have no moral consciousness and it's the same problem

again pratham if you uh if if you open the gates for

people from africa or the indian subcontinent

or even latin america you make enable a larger much larger proportion of

people lacking moral consciousness to move into your country and that has been the problem with let's say america or

canada today now america and canada are great melting pots but they are great

melting pots if you have moral consciousness if you believe in the values

of western civilization but you clearly see that over the last

40 to 60 years the kind of people that have moved to the us and canada australia and new

zealand are the kind of people who are materialistic who do not have moral consciousness

and that is that has a degree has had a degrading effect on the culture of these

countries what is your opinion on this whole work

uh culture and cancer culture promoted and propagated by liberal

progressives because you have uh said uh in the past few minutes that

people from third world countries africa south asia don't have moral consciousness and you can say that but

if a white person said the same thing that you were saying liberals would label him as a racist or

a white nationalist even though he's objectively right

well absolutely and you know and that is what how i want to contribute to where i

live today i want to use the fact that i can get away with a

few things more than a white person does now that should never have been the case we should be able to speak freely we

should be able to speak our mind and people should have the opportunity to to

to argue and debate with me or say that i'm wrong but today the cancelled

culture has become very dominant in the western society the woke culture has become very dominant

now let me before i respond to you fully let me explain the word liberal liberal

word is extremely confusing liberal uh word in the united kingdom means about

relates to freedom individuality uh and self-responsibility it relates to

uh a concept of honor and integrity whereas liberal in the united states and

canada means something completely different it means no self-responsibility it means

keeping your eye on the wallet of other person and trying to steal as much as possible from the other

person's pocket uh trying to these are the people who whine who want who have

no concept of self-responsibility and honor and they expect benefits from other people in the

society these are dependent people now

what is work culture and what is this cancel culture surprisingly it is very

similar to the culture of the third world countries the woke people actually love the third

world they love the chaos the the smell of feces this the the noise of third world

countries uh because they are feral people and that is why woke people love the third world people

now woke the soak these woke so-called liberal leftists the so-called

progressives are truly the losers of the western society

and they are in how their mind works no different

from how this the minds of uh

people in the third world work so uh these are the these are culturally

third-world people the woke people and the cancer culture people

The Fall Of The West

though the west has been doing quite well for over a century now

as a result of reason and rational thinking but in the past uh one or two decades

mostly because of left liberals and progressives the west seems to be slowly

deteriorating uh lower birth rates increasing crime political correctness

uh they're even confused on how to define a man and a woman uh are we

witnessing the final days of the west yeah i i mean

let me just correct one thing i don't think the western society did well in

the last 100 years i think the western society saw its prime its peak uh several hundred years

back now that does not have to reflect economically right away the west was culturally a far superior

place probably a hundred and fifty years back than it is today uh yes the western

society has already peaked the western society is rapidly

getting worse um i think the best country on the planet america

uh a country that i have i love and i still love and still spend a lot of my time in uh is going down the fastest and

the biggest problem is the so-called diversity the one that you

mentioned earlier uh diversity has meant that they have accepted all kinds of people from around

the world who refuse to assimilate in the society who refuse to

be respectful to the western civilization and who refuse to understand who have no

concept of what western philosophy is all about so america now has a massive number of

people who are like those uh and in fact if you look at the statistics the the the

number of people who are first or second generation uh

uh immigrants in canada and australia you get to get a glimpse of what the

future would be like i think about 26 percent of

australians and canadians are first generation immigrants which means that a few

that as many as half of their populations could be first or second generation immigrants

now that's far too many people from outside their own society outside their own civilization if you bring in so many

people you will dilute your civilization away i can truly understand if you bring in 0.1

percent of your pop population as from outside your own society uh but making it 25 to 50

percent is truly horrendous and suicidal for your society and that's what the west has done

there are many other reasons this is only one of the reasons i think um comforts um

uh comforts and luxury and leisure time uh can uh

be bad negative for the for the culture of the society

because it it can make you dull it can make you less aware of the need to keep fighting

for civilization and i think that has also happened in the western society they don't so they

don't have this impulse to necessarily fight for what is right

in the sense that they will uh not necessarily step out

as they probably did 50 years back now again i must say that there's a

massive massive difference between a country like india and the country like canada if if there is any trouble on the

street in canada many people will step out to help you out it's a great great society but compared

to what it used to be and compete and looking at the direction these countries

in the west have taken uh i'm fairly convinced that the best days of the west

are over uh and it's degrading rather rapidly

Economics & Moral Values

uh i i know that india lacks

with regards to moral consciousness and a productive culture but let's put that aside for a while let's say that was not

a problem at all once we have fixed this moral and

cultural issues do you think india can benefit from libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism

well what you're saying is that cut the roots of the tree out and would that

would the tree be beneficial if we gave it good fertilizer and good air

unfortunately it won't if you don't have the fundamentals right if you don't have the roots right nothing will the tree

can't stand on it so it can't stand straight anymore it will just fall apart

without moral consciousness believe me there's no progress you can have some

short-term progress you can have some short-term improvement in your life but it will not

be sustainable and you can see that in terms of what has happened in the last 30 years and

disagree with me pratham if you want to but the health of indians have deteriorated rapidly over the last 30

years now a 40 year old person cannot walk straight because he eats too much

sugar he eats too much bad food he he uses his time for too much leisure

he is too stressed because he's trying to make more and more money

and the end result is that progress in my view hasn't really done a

lot of good to the emotional and psychological health to a lot of people look at women uh women have got a lot of

freedom in the country over the last 30 years but i'm afraid of sitting next to a woman on the plane i mean she could

end up charging me for rape in a crowded plane and that's indeed possible in india

today so everything gets

gets used for depraved degenerate purposes if

the roots are not right if the if the principles are not there so without moral consciousness nothing is possible

now what is libertarianism what is capitalism capitalism and libertarianism are very deep moral concepts these are

not economic concepts and remember even the word economic has changed its

meaning when adam smith wrote his book he he wrote about what was the name of

the book the moral sentiments of the society or something i can't remember but the book was about moral values

economics is about moral values libertarianism is about moral values capitalism is about moral values so how

can you detach moral values from something that is actually a moral concept

uh you uh you can enforce a moral structure but at least

that moral structure must be enforced by moral people so you i and that's what i

said initially you have to bring in the very best people from around the world who are morally conscious who are

skilled who are competent who know the difference between right and wrong and if they create a structure

the society can indeed improve but you if you think you can remove moral

values and still have a a pro a progressing society you are

deluded i think the only solution that i can think of

Degraded Indian Culture-Part 2

after hearing everything you're saying is that we have to sort of overthrow indian democracy if we

overthrow democracy what are the practical alternatives

pratham you know today it is believed that um indians wanted to fight for

uh the so-called freedom uh i mean remember india never got its freedom it

never got its independence the rulers changed from the british to uh brain dead sadistic

junkies that's what we have today so uh and does it really matter to me whether

a white guy rapes me or a brown guy babu rapes me if i get raped i get raped anyway

i'm just going to hope that the rapist is less ruthless with me and clearly the

british were less ruthless if at all you can compare the ruthlessness between the british and the

current regimes of india i mean go to a police station people get openly beaten up by the

police today and there is nothing that happens the courts don't take any action against the

policemen and the policeman gets away with absolutely everything that was not

the case when the british were ruling the country now before 1947 we now because we are

told selective history we are taught a very a small part of the history we are told

that indians were fighting for independence no indians were not fighting for independence a

minority of people who had got educated in the united kingdom returned back to

india to start this so-called independence movement most of the society had no clue

about this independence movement and had no interest in independence movement a lot of leaders like rabindranath

tagore were not in favor of independence movement from what i understand they wanted the

british to stay on in fact ram mohan roy was a full participant in using the

british to change the indian culture to improve it to end the sati pratha

to end the bad horrible aspects of hinduism and islam

so a lot of indian leaders were were

with the british they wanted the british to continue and they did not like this independence movement they knew what

would happen if india became so-called independent now pratham

have you seen a statue of raja ram mohan roy anywhere in the country

i i don't think so no there isn't any there isn't any we don't

we don't recognize people who change our society raja ram mohan roy

and was the key figure that ended the sati pratha okay

now should the feminist organization should india not recognize him for what he did

for india um we don't um um now where is the statue of rajaram

mohan roy in bristol in the united kingdom because we don't see

greatness of human beings so we don't recognize them for their greatness

so so on one hand there were a lot of leaders who were against the so-called independence movement they knew what

would come to india if india gained so-called independence but also a very

large population of india indians knew what would happen once the british had

left there was a massive exodus from india

in the 40s and 50s they went to live in the uk now these people uh and you know you can

include me among those people we got rid of white people and then i ended up

living in a white country to be ruled by white people theoretically so a lot of people recognized that

indians would fail to run our institutions indians would destroy everything and in the 40s and 50s they

left india and settled down in the uk and they are doing extremely well because this was the cream of indians

that left india to live in the west yeah um

Decentralization Of India

would india be better off if our country got decentralized or disintegrated

uh well uh you know india is going to get decentralized it it will disintegrate

uh you know the funny thing is that we we believe in becoming global power and

we believe in how important india is to the world india is unimportant to the world no one cares a damn about the

country uh people here give lip service to india but apart from that they don't really

care about india india is falling apart go outside your house india is visually falling apart

because the caliber of indian leaders is so low and in fact negative because they are

truly brain dead and they are truly junkies and they are truly sadistic that

india is falling right in front of your eyes you just have to go out walk around a bit and try to

experience how the the society is functioning there's nothing keeping that country

together now the problem with low iq people the problem with these sadistic

people is that they can't manage even a small system but they want to make a

system larger and larger because it gives them eco satisfaction to have a

bigger control over the society but they are mentally incapable of running big

institutions uh and and it's very simple for anyone who has tried to manage to indians uh

you know if you have a small manufacturing operation with five people try managing them it's an

extraordinarily hard job because no one does his job properly as unless you

supervise him non-stop so you can't really have bigger institutions bigger operations and a

centralized country and india has this huge instinct to centralize the country

india will fall apart india will disintegrate with time but

would it be beneficial to the country again you are trying to compare third of

dog a with third of dog b uh remember india was never a country until the time

the british came india is a british product

now india is a british product and

india will under the management of indians become tribal it's a federal people

they will disintegrate automatically uh i'm not absolutely sure if it will be

better or worse for what will be the situation then but whatever happens india is the

lives of indians will be far worse going forward than it is today

lives of indians have got worse and worse with time

so remember that what whether we have centralization or decentralization india is not improving

unless we get better leaders to run the country yeah

the your criticism of indians and india as a whole was quite accurate and

i'm sure for a lot of indians it will be very shocking because when i leave my

house and go out and talk to people or when i look at the family for whatsapp

groups they're so hopeful they say things like under uh narendra modi india will become a vishwa guru and they use

these big words like and all that nationalistic uh

jingoistic words uh why do you think there is such a huge contradiction

between reality and the imagination of indians well and that is actually a huge problem

with uh with indians a lot of people contradict me based on what they think india would be

in the future now you can't compare apples with

with elephant forget about comparing apples with oranges they try to compare apples with elephants

you know i have been in investment conferences where people tell me that

india will be growing at the rate of 15 per year for the next 20 years and it will become

better than the us and hence india is better than the u.s now that's so

mind-bogglingly stupid but indian logic has its own

structure which is completely irrational and that it stays with

the so-called educated people uh brother one thing i tell you very

interesting uh i have been living in the west for the last 30 years

and you know earlier i criticized the western society about the woke people and

you know and i can sit down with people and criticize america for its certain policies why should it be

interfering let's say in the middle east and i can say that hey american troops killed so many people

for no good reason and i can't remember a single occasion when

an american told me that why i was anti-american

why i did not like america they don't conclude from my

my uh my saying anything bad negative about

america as a reflection of my anti-american attitude in india

virtually every time i say anything that does not look good for about india i'm

immediately blamed for being an anti-national now that's that that's that means that

indians are so emotional about everything just look at facts stick to facts and

discuss facts rather than become emotional about it in fact

i speak up not because i i am anti-indian or i hate india i want india

to improve i want india to do well but that was only possible if i can

point out the errors of the ways of indian society if it if we don't point

those out nothing is going to change but indians will not listen to this and the problem

is that they have no moral consciousness they live on the policy of expediency

materialism and self-centeredness ask all these nationalistic people and

you will if you explore them enough you will realize that they are extremely self-centered and materialistic ask

them whether we should be fighting a war with pakistan and they will say yes we should be fighting a war with pakistan

would you go to fight a war with pakistan and you will really understand

that there's a difference between what they say and what they do okay

Pandemic Authoritarianism

going on a completely different but an important tangent what is your opinion on the ongoing

covet authoritarianism uh well uh god i mean this has been

truly truly idiotic i was in india in november 2016 when

narendra modi declared demonetization and i was

in india when he closed everything down in early 2020.

um the the it was they were decisions which i thought

even primary school students should not have taken they were so childish so

naive uh something that did nothing good to the country uh just talking about

demonetization there is more cash in india today than there ever was uh there

is more corruption in india there's more bribe taking and exchange of cash today

than there ever was in the country and i have been involved in something in india recently and i tell you

uh when i left india india was not that corrupt as it is today i mean corrupt

bribes get exchanged openly in the country today now coming to covet i mean

this has been absolutely crazy and the middle class indians who are supposed to

be the moral spine of the society have no spine they have they have no

provided no intellectual nutrition to the society i mean these

idiots were banging pots and pans from their uh apartment buildings uh thinking

that banging those pots and pans would get rid of uh covet they had no understanding absolutely no

understanding about what would happen to 99 of indians yes

these middle class indians who live in nice gated communities who have servants and maids

could work from home they were still probably getting their salaries because they work for public sector companies or

big companies that continue to pay salaries but what was happening to those maids and servants people living in

villages in agricultural areas 98 99 of people

they were walking literally thousands of kilometers back home because narendra

modi in his supreme intelligence put a stop to all flights and trains and

all buses and these people were walking in in in

summer weather with their children and with with their luggage hundreds and thousands of

kilometers i mean this was a humanitarian disaster which had no

intelligence behind it i would say i mean i mean really narendra modi should face

a complaint of genocide because of the the grotesque decisions that he took the way

the indian police beat up people who were trying to go to the hospital or trying to

uh to come out of their suffocating shanty

rooms they this was grotesque now uh lockdown did happen elsewhere as well

but it was nowhere as grotesque as was in india

and uh for a poke country india was truly a special country because a lot of

other poor countries decided hey we are too poor to copy the chinese way or the

american way we should just uh the society be open and face the

consequences and they did far better than uh countries like india we

destroyed the economy we we played with lives of literally hundreds of millions of people

i i'm going to say something a little cruel these people who

these poor migrants who were walking the hundreds of miles and dying on their way

i get angry at them as well because they're partially responsible for that because right after this

migrant crisis there was an election in bihar a state that contributes

a lot of migrant laborers and they made uh bjp's uh bjp's coalition win again

so it's very ironic that these poor people vote for their own misery

well prathan that comes back to lack of moral consciousness sorry absence of moral consciousness they don't connect

uh dots properly and because they don't have moral consciousness they cannot differentiate

between right and wrong uh you look at a normal indian if he gets beaten up by

someone senior what does he do he goes and beats someone he goes and beats zappa junior okay he

does not fight back against his senior and you see that across the country i mean i went to one of the best

engineering colleges uh in in india and i was so flabbergasted with what i saw

there would be what we called ragging when we when you troubled the newcomers

into this in in the university and a lot of people didn't like it a lot of newcomers didn't like it but a year

later they were doing exactly the same thing and when i told them that listen this is so sadistic why would you do

that the response was we were harmed or we were beaten up so we are now going to beat up and i said yeah

that's perfectly fine but go and beat up people who beat you up rather than go and beat up people who have nothing to

do with you but indians even the so-called intelligent people do

not have moral consciousness and hence they cannot take right decisions indians

are they think they are very street smart they are among the most gullible people i have known because they don't have moral

consciousness they don't they don't stand mentally on a firm ground so they can't

understand right and wrong they get they get fooled very easily you talk

nice words with an indian and he is all over you very quickly without realizing

that the person who is speaking all those nice words is trying is merely trying to exploit him or fool him

and uh yes i completely agree with you that these poor fools went to vote for exactly the same same

people who had uh destroyed their lives uh but again uh pratham

the backbone of society is the middle class and indian

middle class is very unique in the world that it does not have moral consciousness i have been to about 100

countries and most countries many many times and everywhere i have seen that as a

country progresses and becomes better as the middle class grows

moral consciousness grows in india the exact opposite is happening people are

becoming simply more materialistic and depraved what is your opinion on vaccine mandates

both here in india and in canada well i think i'm not an anti-vaxxer if

people want to get the vaccine go and take it keep it to yourself what kind of

underwear i'm wearing i'm not going to show you okay whether i'm vaccinated or not i don't want to talk about it i

think it's a private matter if you take it that's perfectly fine if you think

it's good taking a vaccine evaluate it take it but making telling declaring it on social

media that i'm proud to say that i have taken the third booster now is idiotic

don't talk about it and there is absolutely no reason for any government

to mandate vaccine on people these vaccine passports are a way

towards tyranny they are disastrous for humanity uh which does not mean again i

have nothing against the vaccine if the vaccine are good take it if you think they are going

to take it don't impose it on other people the vaccine mandate should go and

they will go they won't it won't be too long before they go uh what do you think will be the outcome

Canadian Truckers & Trudeau

of the canadian truckers revolt and i use the word reward because i don't think this is a protest so this is far

more than that uh well and i'm happy you asked that question because when i said that

vaccine mandates will go and they will go over the next few weeks and thanks to canadian truckers

canadian truckers have brought in a revolution in terms of protests against

the vaccine mandates you you have to hold them in extremely high regard for

what they have done um and exactly pratam just responding a bit more to

your earlier question on the subject this is what i would have expected from poor people of india this is what i

would have expected from the middle class of indians i would have expected them during demonetization and during

imposition of lockdown in march 2020 that hey we are not going to listen to

this stupidity and you can't beat people up to pulp the police can't beat people

up to pulse just because they're dead to go to the hospital now canadian truckers have brought in a

revolution they have brought in a change of thinking they have brought in um

a way for those people who were against this increasing tyranny to come together and

fight back against tyranny and remember the western civilization is a civilization and it's i have to say it's

the only civilization i know of india is not a civilization third world countries are not civilizations western societies

are the only civilizations i know of and they are civilizations because of people

like these canadian truckers they fight for what is right they fight for what is honorable they stand up for against what

is wrong um so yes truckers have canadian truckers are

i have done a fabulous job and if at all i feel any pride in being a canadian this is it

i'm going to follow that up with a very loaded and a very biased question uh do you think

justin trudeau is a spineless coward oh justin trudeau is a third walder woke

uh liberal he has no mind of his own and he got into power mostly because of

dynastic reason and because of his looks a lot of women like his looks uh and

that perplexes me that tells you about so much about what democracy is all

about these educated women voted for him because of his looks they

could have easily gone to a strip club they could have paid five ten fifteen dollars for a strip club and could have

had a look at a much nicer looking guy it's completely idiotic i mean the guy

has was was a substitute teacher he was not even

a proper teacher and he was teaching his snowboarding and skiing i mean the guy

has had no experience of running institutions and he ended up

becoming the prime minister and that is the degradation that to institutions that

democracy brings in democracy is termite it eats away everything very quickly

then all institutions very quickly okay i know that two of the topics that you

Does Crypto Have Value?

speak a lot on is investment and liberty and uh now we see

a lot of people investing in cryptocurrencies which they think will usher in a new age of uh economic

liberty what is your opinion on these cryptocurrencies well no liberty will come without the

roots of moral consciousness we can uh you can run away and you know you can

run away from tyrannical environment by uh tinkering with the superficial

aspects but that can benefit only people like you and me it cannot benefit the

larger population and without the larger population being morally awakened

we will uh die out as well so what we need is a healthy

morally conscious society for people with liberty to survive now cryptos

might cryptos or something like that could give an escape route to people who have

who are liberty oriented uh but that's not going to be good for this that's not

going to release the society from tyranny now is are cryptos the right thing to do

hey i am not invested in any cryptos i think they are ones and zeros without any backing in the cloud

and for me that gives them a value of zero so i don't use cryptos i don't see value in

cryptos and i don't think they offer you a true escape from

monetary tyranny uh the the problem is that there are many

there are many things the the transaction costs are huge at the end of the day cryptos are all valued in terms

of fiat currency uh what if uh you know what if the cryptos are banned

what if uh you don't have internet connection uh i don't see any value in cryptos myself

i think in very short they are worth zero okay um

Hijab Issue & Cultural Bigotry

all right so i live in mangalore in coastal karnataka

and i think you know what is happening in this region lately a few of the government colleges are refusing to

allow muslim girls to enter the premises while wearing the hijab and we are

seeing an increase in communal tensions and rodism from both sides uh saffron

shawl wearing boys are causing chaos and even violence in few instances and it's

not like the other side is any better uh what do you make of this do you think

we'll ever have peace between these two chaotic religions

no they will not have uh peace ever and the problem is not the

two religious the dichotomy is not islam versus hinduism the dichotomy is that

the fact is that indians just are not peaceful people they always whine they blame other

people for all their problems and they always uh hate the other person

so what happens if you separate hindus from muslims muslims

will then fight with there will be fights between shias and sunnis and then different parts sects of shias among

themselves as you can see in bangladesh and pakistan so you

you you the fights will continue and if in india ever became a hindu only nation

what will happen hindus will start fighting among themselves because they will shift shaivia will think they are

better than vaishnav and you know all kinds of idiocies will re-emerge so the problem is not islam

versus hinduism the problem is that we are not rational morally rooted people

beyond people who are tribal basically tribal and we are always fighting with our other tribes we are always looking

for which other tribe to fight with and then within our tribe we fight for tribal supremacy who wants to become the

leader of the tribe so the fights are all over and that's where uh

use that's what you see all over the country you make you look at any small groups in india any any small office see

how the culture works there's office horrendous office politics between

people they hate each other look at how families work families are

very dysfunctional they they people hate each other in families so uh this

muslim hindu issue is not the real issue the real issue is that

indians are like that and how do you change fundamentally their character

Corruption In India

i i don't mean to get too personal but because you brought up family matters i saw on your

facebook that you had posted a while back uh i believe one of your family member is

harassing your father by bribing a government officer and trying to take

away his land uh what what exactly is happening there

well it's it's absolutely crazy uh uh pratham uh what uh what happened was

that one of my family members uh engaged a lawyer who had who put armed goons inside my

dad's house and who was able to control the whole police system which meant that

my no one would take phone call of my dad no police system no seniors health

helpline would take the call of my dad's phone call and the police was registering

police cases which without any investigation not that investigations necessarily happen in the

country and the problem is that there's no social dynamics which come

come to people like those criminally minded people and say hey this is wrong

stop it what i have seen is that people in the society come either stay out or when they want to

engage they want to look good rather than do the right thing they they don't want to

tell the the person who is who was harming my dad

that hey you're doing something wrong is step back and we are going to buy caught you

socially if you continue to do these things but we don't have that social force because again we don't have the

moral consciousness in the in the society and again uh over the last three months the kind of

corruption the depravities and degenerate behavior i have seen in society is just off the charts i

i now tell people that i have been completely wrong about india india is a

hundred times a thousand times worse than i thought it was india is just a completely depraved and

degenerate society is there any hope for india

Is There Hope For India?

well there's hope for isolated people as you said that people should always be looking for a way out of trouble uh and

you know people who are looking at cryptos to get out of monetary tyranny i

can understand them except that i don't like cryptos myself but i can understand them there are ways to live that you can

escape your local tyranny and i can fully understand those people uh is

there a way out for indians yes i think there's a way out for indians but only isolated indians which is to leave the

country you know look at china china is a wonderful country china is like a first

world country when i go to china from india it's a lovely place

go to go to japan singapore hong kong taiwan uh south korea they are lovely places uh

go to a western countries compared to india they the western countries are a

thousand times ten thousand times better uh but is there a hope for india no

there is no hope for india and uh i don't invest in india i

uh is keep my involvement in india to the minimal

China

okay um all the countries that you mentioned i agree they're great like south korea japan taiwan etc but why do

you say that china is a great country because uh if you look at the their value system

it's quite pathetic the way they treat tibetans and uh muslims and there's no

freedom of speech there's no freedom of religion they're not enlightened like the west

okay so um uh so firstly it's completely wrong to

compare china with the west okay china used to be a third world

country so if you want to understand china you should compare china with the

kind of countries china was standing shoulder to shoulder in 1990s so for

example kenya uganda tanzania pakistan that's those are the kind of countries

you should be comparing china with the us is a far more developed country than china is

china has shown that it has continued to progress culturally and economically

uh now what they have done to tibet and in xinjiang province to the muslims

there they it's nothing too unusual compared to

what let's say indians have done to people in northeastern provinces nagaland manipur

uh arunachal pradesh or jammu and kashmir i mean remember

india was shameless in how how it occupied goa and hyderabad after independence

most people don't even know about it these were separate countries india just decided it had to take these countries

over so there's nothing especially bad about

what china has done in tibet and xinjiang compared to what other third country third world countries have done

to their own minorities now tipit is a much richer place because of

chinese and xinjiang province has its problems but there is no conclusive evidence that

they are gulags that they are forced imprisonment of uh muslim

people of muslim following in xinjiang as a systematic on

a systematic basis so i haven't seen conclusive proofs of that now

some of the governments would claim that but how much should i trust those governments american government and

british government said that there were weapons of mass destruction

under saddam hussein in iraq that came out to be completely false so how much do i really know about what's happening

in shinjan so those are not enough of reasons they are

factors and china is not perfect in any way whatsoever and i can identify a lot more worse

things about china than uh than these internationally

the international headlines you see about china now as far as freedom of

speech is concerned let me tell you qatam i feel much more free

is speaking up in china than i do in india and freedom of speech is going away very

rapidly around the world look at the western countries

white people particularly cannot say a lot of things that are important to them

you were talking about cancer culture so you get cancelled very quickly in the

western society today so what is the freedom of speech what is your freedom of speech

in india yes theoretically you have freedom of speech but go out and complain about the local goon and see

what happens go out and complain about the local bureaucrat who is asking for a bribe

i guarantee you the court system the police will not be there to help you because

it the cis you simply don't have freedom of speech so you can't speak up because

of so many reasons so chinese can mostly speak about most things except that they

cannot challenge their the the existence of their

central government and their concentric ccp so yes i mean

no one is perfect it's just on an overall basis i like china a hundred times more than i like india

Indians In The West

okay how do you think indians should behave when they emigrate to the west

oh i i think it takes a while it takes many years to start understanding the western civilization uh but you should

move to the western society only and only if you like the western civilization if you like western

philosophy uh if you are moving to the west only to make more money or to make

you make your life materialistically better then uh

from in my view you are a negative value to the western society

and most people who move to the west uh do not have moral consciousness and they are not interested in western philosophy

they are there just to make money they are materialistic people uh but uh you

know once if you are interested in the western culture western society uh then your

it will still take your time to understand how the western society works uh but

that's the kind of people who should move and if they move they should be paying a lot of attention to the

moral consciousness that the western society has and finally

Purpose Of Life

i think i'll end this podcast on a very uh with a very vague question

uh what is the purpose of life oh what is the purpose of life um i

haven't figured that out pratham really i want to

you know i the way i look at life is that my next step should be better than my last step

and because i don't have a clarity on what the goal is

all i care about is to make sure that my next step is better than the last step and that means that i should live my

life with honesty integrity and honor and self-responsibility and that's where libertarianism comes in into picture uh

my life is not centered on on materialism i'm not chasing money now

money comes to me that's a different thing altogether but i'm not chasing money i'm just

trying to improve myself as a human being and hopefully as time goes by as i

continue to live a more honorable more self-responsible life and as i

continue to improve myself hopefully the cloud in front of my goals which is the

purpose of life might become clearer well uh thank you so much for being on

my podcast this was a very uh educational conversation uh pratham thanks very much for the

opportunity