Jayant Bhandari 談印度移民對西方國家的影響

Jayant Bhandari 談印度移民對西方國家的影響

Jayant Bhandari On The Impact of Indian Migration On Western Countries

Institute for Sound Public 2023年5月5日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjYqQj3-QfA

2023年5月4日，我們與政治、文化、經濟和哲學評論家兼散文家 Jayant Bhandari 進行了訪談，探討了美國和歐洲印度移民群體中普遍存在的種姓歧視問題。您可以在以下平台上了解並關注 Jayant：
https://jayantbhandari.com/about/

Twitter：@JayantBhandari5

美國工人階級被騙了，這是一種斷言，這是科赫兄弟的提議。然後民主黨就直接和社團主義者聯手了。他們和華爾街軍工聯合體、化石燃料矽穀勾結。現在看看這個國家發生了什麽。我們的收入差距是鍍金時代以來最大的。貿易擴張使工人階級麵臨的競爭比他們在與低工資國家開展貿易之前要激烈得多。不能說的是，作為一個國家，我們必須做出不同的選擇，因為我們做出的選擇傷害了勞動人民。議員先生，因為我不知道該告訴你寫什麽。我不知道該如何應對經濟蕭條、通貨膨脹、俄羅斯人和街頭犯罪。我隻知道，首先你必須生氣，你必須說我是一個人。該死的，我的生命是有價值的。你好，歡迎收聽健全公共政策研究所的播客。我是主持人 Kevin Lynn，今晚還有 Giant Bhandari 一起。今晚 Giant 的到來真是太棒了，他將是新更名後的健全公共政策研究所播客和網站的第一位嘉賓，所以歡迎 Giant。謝謝你邀請我，Kevin，也謝謝你邀請我作為你的第一位嘉賓，這太棒了。John，我想做的是，首先向我們的聽眾介紹一下你自己，然後談談我們真正想談的話題，也就是最近關於美國種姓歧視的一些頭條新聞，這是一種新奇的現象。好的，很高興你來這裏，Gian，因為我認為你真的有資格談論這個話題，因為你是一位政治、經濟、社會、文化問題的作家，你為《自由》雜誌、米塞斯研究所等機構撰稿，你在美國、加拿大和印度都設有分部。你和 Doug Casey 合作進行 Casey 研究，他的表演才華橫溢，是我看過的所有播客中國際化的人物。呃，你的文章被《零對衝》雜誌、盧·羅克韋爾·弗雷澤研究所、利布拉·莫爾登經濟學雜誌收錄了。你是一位商品和貴金屬專家，你為《北方小礦業雜誌》、礦業市場等雜誌撰稿，你也是《自由》雜誌的特約編輯，而且每年你都會在不列顛哥倫比亞省溫哥華舉辦一場非常有趣的研討會，名為“資本主義與道德”。不用多說，巨人，歡迎來到節目，感謝凱文邀請我，也感謝你邀請我作為你播客的第一位嘉賓。在新的YouTube頁麵和新的Twitter動態上，你可能會感到有些孤單，但很快你就會有很多同伴，我相信，這很好。正如我們討論的那樣，我今晚想和你聊天的原因是，加州立法機構剛剛通過了一項關於階級歧視的法案，今年思科的員工也提起了訴訟，他們認為這是基於種姓的歧視。他們的上司對他們進行歧視，盡管州政府選擇不追究，但他們實際上正在提起自己的訴訟，所以我想也許我們應該從吉安開始，首先讓觀眾了解一下什麽是演員，然後我們就可以談談這種現象是如何隨著印度移民浪潮席卷全球而發生的？

Jayant Bhandari 

讓我們回顧一下曆史，讓我總結一下背景，當歐洲人，特別是英國人，抵達印度時，他們看到的是一個野蠻的社會，他們經曆了一個野蠻的社會，而英國人是係統論者，工業革命即將在英國開始，因為他們是係統論者，他們試圖圍繞印度的任意性、混亂、薩維特裏和野蠻建立一個結構，這實際上是一個錯誤，因為通過圍繞根本混亂的東西建立一個係統，呃，這呃，正在向後代傳達一個潛意識裏錯誤的信息，現在這些印度人對自己的曆史沒有概念，他們沒有保留太多關於自己曆史的書麵記錄印度曆史是由英國人發現的，印度宗教經文丟失了，是英國人發現了這些經文，翻譯和我們在西方接觸到的文本實際上是英國人挖掘這些經文的結果，是的，除了一個印度人，我知道沒有一個印度人讀過這些文本，所以當印度人談論或讚美他們所擁有的精神文本的浪漫背景時，他們是在欺騙你，因為他們自己從來沒有讀過這些文本，但是現在要明白這一點，英國人想要做的是創建一個係統並支撐一個結構，以便向其他人傳達他們在印度所看到的東西，但是正如我所說的，他們犯了一個巨大的錯誤，他們試圖圍繞混亂創建一個係統，所以他們再次挑選書籍，他們自己找到並翻譯的書籍，這有助於他們為他們所看到的東西提供某種結構，然後他們繼續將種姓製度定義為四個或五個子群體，現在，現實情況是，即使在今天，實際情況也與這四個或五個種姓製度群體非常不同，印度有三千到三萬個種姓和亞種姓，這取決於你問誰，如果你問我，我會告訴你，他們的成本是 14 億在印度，因為與印度人的每一次互動都意味著製定一個打包訂單，這意味著與印度人的每一次互動都會導致一場對話，雙方都在試圖判斷誰將在互動中占上風，誰將處於劣勢，所以成本係統是一個人與人之間的分配係統，這就是為什麽我說他們在印度花費了14億美元，這就是為什麽呃凱文，總結一下，你知道任何有理智的人都會想對印度的其他人微笑或幫助印度的其他人，因為如果你這樣做，你會立即被視為低人一等，屬於仆人階級，因為隻有仆人才應該幫助你，有趣的是，我，你帶來了你可能讓我想起了兩天前我和我們在德克薩斯州達拉斯沃斯堡地區的一位活動家的談話，他正從窗外望出去，他住在一個更大的公寓大樓裏，那裏的大多數人都是印度人，他認為大多數是家庭，有人在那裏持有H-1B簽證，那天晚上在娛樂中心吃玉米卷，他看著那個女經理手裏端著一堆盤子，你知道，她手裏拿著一些袋子，正朝門口走去，門口有一對印度裔夫婦，他們對她微笑，但他們沒有開門，就像他說的那樣，他從窗戶看著，她用腿把門推開，用腿踢開，他們懶得幫忙，我認為這與德克薩斯人看到這種情況的典型反應完全相反，非常有趣，我可以看到這是超越的，因為你知道，作為男人，我發現如果我去參加一個招待會，我在那裏，比如說一個社交活動，我們都在尋找阿爾法，誰是領導者，誰是那個人，通常有人會拿出手腕上的勞力士手表，說他是某個公司的負責人，一旦我們知道了這一點，我認為潛意識裏我們都會落後我們現在準備出去尋找了，嗯，但這比你說的每一次互動都要深刻得多，就像每次互動一樣，我完全同意你的觀點，地球上到處都有一套服裝係統，但印度的成本和成本係統與西方國家不成比例，在西方，每個人都試圖與其他人平等，在印度，每個人都確保自己看起來與其他人不同，這是一個非常原子化的社會，所有的社交互動都是為了在等級製度中確立自己的位置，有趣的是，你知道我今晚想和你談的一件事是，嗯，思科發生的事情，我提到過，一些印度裔員工覺得他們受到了其他印度經理的歧視，不久前，我和一家科技公司的經理談話，他，嗯，一個美國人，我們談到了他公司的 H-1B 計劃，因為我說，嗯，你知道，他說凱文明白，我們支付給在這裏工作的 H-1B 簽證持有者美國和其他國家一樣，他們都一樣，賺同樣的錢，享受同樣的福利，但我們麵臨的問題是部落主義正在形成，呃，他是這樣闡述的，我很想聽聽你對此的看法，因為我認為這與你剛才說的類似，他說他們有一個農場團隊，他們有一個公司，你知道，你知道在印度有一個前哨，一家在印度的公司在那裏開展業務，他說，為了開展這項業務，你必須是一個超級好鬥的男人，然後從那裏去美國，你必須是一個超級好鬥的男人，這些人來到這裏，他們似乎關心的是，你知道，權力在築牆。確保他們的職業生涯能夠經受住其他一切的考驗，他們麵臨的問題是，這些人似乎非常具有部落意識，與世界其他地方的人截然不同，所以我想請你對此發表意見，同時，請你談談你對美國出現的種姓製度的看法，這是否是好事，這顯然不是好事，但你對這些案例有什麽看法？我們應該在哪裏特別關注？我們應該從中學到什麽？凱文，讓我先回複你的第一條評論。我曾經在一家Amari公司工作，負責跟蹤他們在印度的投資組合。作為該公司的分析師，我可以打電話給北美任何一家公司的首席執行官，他都會接聽我的電話。但跟蹤印度投資組合的問題是，如果我打電話給印度的一家公司，接待員會問我的職位，然後她會說我不能和首席執行官通話，因為我的職位不適合這家印度公司的首席執行官，然後他/她會接聽電話。我隻和他們公司裏有類似職位的人打交道，所以這又告訴你那個國家存在的包裝係統。凱文，在過去的 13 年裏，我在費城和舊金山待了很長時間，我生活在海地人的生態係統中，在這兩個城市，在我住過的每棟公寓樓裏，當然有很多印度人，他們分組不僅基於他們的成本，還基於他們所說的語言，我在這裏談論印度人，他們的宗教信仰，他們來自哪裏，所以你看到所有這些子群體在這些所謂的受過教育的印度人中，所以回應你的第三條評論，通過引入所有這些移民，你帶來了這些人的文化問題。現在我一直聽到美國人說，他們對合法移民沒有問題。問題是，你大量引進這麽多人，讓他們變得聰明，你仍然帶來了一個巨大的文化問題。他們之所以被允許變得聰明，是因為你引進了這麽多人，他們總能找到一個自己的同類，而從不試圖融入美國社會，最終的結果是，正如你提到的，你現在正在進行一項法律程序，你想
製定法律來反對成本歧視，這等於承認
所有人都承認，成本製度現在在美國存在，而你
把印度的問題也帶來了。問題是，你為什麽要把所有這些
問題帶到美國？是的，我們真的不需要
H-1B簽證。在我們深入探討這個問題之前，我想聽聽你對另一件事的看法，因為對我來說，
有一條分界線，它始於1990年之前和1990年之後。呃，當我
還是個孩子的時候，在六七十年代長大，如果有一位印度人、菲律賓人或
香港醫生在我的小鄉村社區工作，
他們是最棒的，呃，特別是有一位醫生，他很早就診斷出我姐姐的一個同學有脊柱問題，所有
像我們這樣的美國醫生根本沒意識到這一點，真是太神奇了。所以，如果你在這裏，
幾乎就像哇，你是最棒的。1990 年移民改革法案出台後，我們看到 H-1B 簽證誕生了，
它就成了一條通道，因為每年獲得 H1B 簽證的人中，超過 73% 的人來自印度，
印度被認為是廉價勞動力的通道，基本上是為公司老板提供契約勞工，
所以他們才來這裏。我的意思是，這就是原因。但正如你所說，除了實際取代可能需要培訓他們工作的美國人之外，
這一切還會帶來一些嚴重的後果。是的，這些印度人可能收入最高，或者說，
作為一個群體，平均而言，
但問題是，他們的思維方式仍然不是西方的，
他們把他們的成本體係、他們的偏見帶入了美國，結果就是這些被隔離的富裕、受過良好教育的印度人
是的，在今天的北美，是的，而且可能在你看來，
因為在我看來，除非
美國公民奮起反抗，要求限製移民，
就像我們在1924年那樣，否則你看不到這種情況。因為大多數美國人並不完全理解，
在1924年到1965年之間，我們幾乎沒有淨移民進入美國。
我們建立了中產階級，我母親在1952年來到美國，那段時期，每個人都很好地融入了美國。
當時，限製性很強，監管也很好。但你提到14億人，
那意味著印度有14億人。我最近讀到一篇文章，他們預測，到2030年，可能會有5億印度人無法獲得水資源。
所以我看不到任何曲線會走向哪裏。關於什麽會降低呃
美國移民的數量？嗯，我不知道你從哪裏得到這個數字。呃，大多數印度人無法獲得水。凱文，呃，直到我到了西部，我才意識到，水龍頭裏可以24小時都有水。嗯，即使在印度最好、最城市化、最富裕的地區，你每天也隻能獲得幾個小時的自來水，這就是水龍頭的極限。嗯，這個國家很大一部分人，呃，很容易就超過
5億人無法獲得自來水，他們不得不去
汙水渠取水。所以，呃，是的，這個國家完全是
野蠻的，仍然很野蠻，西方體係將麵臨巨大的壓力，因為任何了解世界的人，哪怕隻是模糊地
都會試圖離開，試圖離開印度，移居美國。現在有大量非法難民從墨西哥邊境進入美國。而且隨著時間的推移，這個數字還會繼續增長，因為，嗯，事實上，如今地球上五分之一或六分之一的人是印度人。有趣的是，我想聽聽你的
想法。嗯，我讀到過，印度每年有大約450萬人進入勞動力市場，然後我也看到過1200萬人，我不確定確切的數字。
而且有很多傳言，當我聽到華盛頓特區的官僚們說，嘿，我們要減少對中國的依賴，把製造業轉移到印度，比如Foxpro，他們要把業務轉移到印度，我就感到害怕。
我想，天哪，難道我們從貪婪中沒有學到什麽嗎？嗯，你對此有什麽看法？我的意思是，你能實現印度工業化嗎？你能在印度建立中產階級嗎？我的意思是，從你剛才告訴我的來看，可能不行。
哦，凱文，我過去25年來一直在寫關於印度的文章，你可以
回到我的文章，你可以回到我10到15年前在YouTube上發表的演講，我告訴人們不要拿印度和中國比較，這是一種愚蠢的比較。這兩個國家根本無法比較。嗯，從印度的印象來看，中國是發達國家。中國在不斷進步，而印度則在不斷退化。所以這兩個國家之間根本沒什麽聯係。印度如今是地球上汙染最嚴重的國家之一。如果你看看地球上所有汙染國家的名單，你會發現其中大部分是印度，還有一些在中東。但這是因為中東一些城市的空氣中有很多沙子。所以我經常去中國。Kevin，中國人。環境每年都在顯著改善。哦，真的。這不像我們10年前去中國的時候那樣。如果你在上海穿著一件白襯衫，到晚上就會變成黃色。嗯，你知道上海仍然有汙染嗎？中國很多地方仍然有汙染，但與過去相比，情況已經大大改善了。
中國正在變得文明，中國至少實現了工業化。印度
甚至沒有工業化，就汙染了自己，破壞了環境。
甚至沒有開始工業化，印度就沒有工業化。
幾乎所有流入印度的可用產品都來自中國。如果你去買一個塑料玩具，它就是中國製造的。所以，如果你認為製造業會轉移到印度，那你知道，這是那些對現實一無所知的人胡編亂造的。我一直在建議西方國家
在印度投資，我說大多數人不要投資，因為他們中的大多數人最終都會賠光所有的錢。
他們在印度投資，但盡管我說大多數人不要投資，但其中一些人因為特殊情況，我建議在印度投資。
嗯，但你必須永遠記住，印度人極其缺乏教育，極其缺乏技能，而且這主要是這是一個野蠻殘暴的社會，
那裏沒有法治，呃，所有機構都被徹底掏空了，統治這個國家的是一群非常腐敗的人。
而我們談論的是那些統治這個國家的人。
你對莫迪和他周圍的陰謀集團有什麽看法？
嗯，我的意思是，莫迪聲稱他
在開始他的政治生涯之前，
曾在一個火車站當過茶葉小販。這說明他實際上沒有在印度生活過。
我對這些小販沒有任何意見，凱文，但這能讓你對這個國家有一定的了解。
資質和理解。呃，比如莫迪。呃，
去查查莫迪接受過的任何采訪，你什麽也找不到。
莫迪不接受記者采訪，他甚至不向任何聽眾發表講話，也不回答任何人的問題。呃，
他總是對人們發表預先準備好的獨白，這說明他
理解他之所以在那裏，是因為他的政黨已經成立。這種反穆斯林宣傳，我沒什麽好說的關於穆斯林，凱文，但
因為同一枚硬幣有兩麵，記住這一點非常重要，這些人是低種姓
高種姓的穆斯林和印度教徒，他們都是同一枚硬幣的一部分。
嗯，他們中沒有人有什麽特別之處，莫迪正在利用印度教的狂熱來加強他對國家的控製，這正把這個國家引向巴基斯坦20年前走上的老路。
有趣的是，似乎沒有任何辦法
擺脫困境，因為很明顯，他不是一個經驗豐富的官僚，他對政府本身不熟悉，他隻是剛上任，卻以煽動家的身份領導。
絕對沒有辦法擺脫這種情況，這就是為什麽每個印度人
都能離開這個國家，
這個國家正在分崩離析。
我之所以這麽說，凱文，是因為盡管如果你上CNN，
或者如果你去……德國大使，或者如果你去呃，我不是在說
美國商務部長最近的會談，他們
對印度異常興奮，他們認為印??度是
將為世界帶來增長的地方，這告訴我兩件事
要麽這些人完全愚蠢，要麽他們試圖
將印度定位為對抗中國的地方。現在記住，呃，凱文，雖然
呃，印度和印度教在西方人看來可能很可愛，
而且
都可接受，但他們不是你的朋友，因為
所有與印度有關的事物的根基都是野蠻、野蠻、非理性和奇想，
這沒有齒輪，兩種文化之間沒有
呃，同步，而這些站點，包括
中國，他們本能地想要複製西方的基礎，而中國人也複製了
西方的方式，如果你去巴黎或倫敦，你會看到很多中國人，因為他們想要複製和粘貼
歐洲人的行為模式，現在也許這是錯誤的，但是至少他們在試圖理解和模仿他們自認為優雅的東西，對吧？我的意思是，一切都是從那裏開始的。日本人開始了，香港人開始了，然後是新加坡人，接著是韓國人，現在中國人也開始模仿。中國東亞，無論它是什麽，今天都是他們接受的良好價值觀的產物，他們為了自身目的而改編和采納了這些價值觀。在南亞，他們是享樂主義者，他們沒有道德基礎，這意味著他們實際上沒有道德基礎。他們在短期內看起來很可愛，但對你們的文化沒有任何貢獻。有意思的是，你認為西方文明最重要的三個方麵是什麽？
就你個人而言，西方文明最重要的三個方麵是什麽？
你認為西方文明最重要的三個方麵是什麽？這些方麵無法被複製，而且可能
因為這些大規模移民而處於危險之中。嗯，不是，也可能處於危險之中。
西方社會決定通過大量引進第三世界人口來切腹自殺，而這種趨勢是無法逆轉的。問題是，如今在西方世界的許多地方，來自第三世界的人比歐洲人生育的孩子更多，所以這種趨勢
現在已經不可逆轉了，不幸的是，對大多數西方國家來說，西方世界的三大優點是什麽？我希望你能知道。請用……來定義這三點。凱文，這是一件非常潛移默化的事情。西方社會是唯一一個從動物王國中誕生的文明，這使得人類區別於動物。有很多東西，我不知道，很多人說，基督教對西方社會具有破壞性，也許基督教
具有破壞性，也許它極大地促進了西方社會構建道德結構。嗯，理性的概念源於希臘羅馬體係，即我們所說的日耳曼部落的野蠻人，他們
有榮譽感，他們是戰士，而成為戰士有很多價值。身為勇士，有榮譽感、正直、集體精神，所以西方在兩千年的時間裏積累了許多品質，才成就了今天的西方。呃，我不是在談論經濟，你可能真的很窮，而是在談論智力、精神、心理和情感的成長。呃，這些始於歐洲，帶來了經濟進步，最重要的是，帶來了智力的進步，帶來了哲學，帶來了道德行為結構。所以，總結一下，凱文，你知道，我不能和一個美國左翼人士坐在一起，我是一個你能想到的最右翼的人。我可以和他進行一次像樣的交談，他可以彼此不同意，我們可以完全不同意對方的觀點，但我們最終仍然可以握手言和。或者至少如果我和右翼印度人有類似的爭論，就不要再互相交談了。即使我們在大多數觀點上意見一致，問題在於，他可能會因為一些細微的分歧而對我大喊大叫。這就是潛意識裏的想法。嗯，嗯，兩千年來歐洲文明的基礎已經非常牢固，創造了歐洲文明的青年。對吧？有趣的是，你這句話在我腦海裏引發了很多想法。對吧？我們說，我很難把它概括出來。這句話來自維多利亞時代，我想到的是，就像英國人會說的，作為英國人，你知道這意味著什麽嗎？嗯，顯然有很多事情，你知道一個人的舉止，你知道很多事情，然後，嗯，當我們看……呃，就在最近，社交媒體上有一篇帖子，是一些……呃，印度記者說，天哪，看看美國所有這些科技公司，還有他們的……我知道
其中一些人也參與其中，而且還有這種對男性的依賴。我看到很多H-1B簽證持有者和那些推動H-1B簽證計劃、吸引更多印度移民的人，感覺就像，天哪，他們懂技術，卻不懂技術。對我來說，這幾乎就像有人在跑馬拉鬆，然後這個人在最後兩英裏衝刺，
衝過終點線，然後說，我剛跑完一場馬拉鬆。就像，等一下，美國科技公司
的根源可以追溯到20世紀20年代和30年代的創新和生產力，這導致了真空管的出現，二戰後晶體管和半導體的出現，這構成了一整套基礎設施，現在有人把開發應用程序和提升穀歌等服務的價值的功勞歸於自己，這讓我大吃一驚。這不是一個好兆頭，因為我想聽聽你對另一次談話的看法，呃，我和一家科技製造公司的主管進行了一次談話，我預計會遭到很多反對，因為我在早餐時把他們逼到牆角，談論H-1B簽證計劃，他說凱文，我同意你的觀點，然後他說，是的，你看，我們在班加羅爾有一個團隊，如果我告訴他們具體該怎麽做，他們會做得非常好，但如果我帶著一個問題去找他們，他們解決不了，但在這裏，我告訴世界其他地方的人，嘿，這是一個問題，幾周後他們會回來，嘿，讓我們把這個問題拋在一邊，試著解決這個問題，所以他說我們的創新受到了打擊，你知道20年來，你一直在遵循這個效率模型，呃，利潤最大化，你知道，降低成本，呃，你知道，把一切都搞砸了，但創新受到了損害，最終生產力也受到了損害，呃，事情不得不重新做呃
所以，我想聽聽你對我剛才所說的，以及其含義的看法，最終這是否會讓你說，
我們隻需要終止這種移民，凱文，我之前說過，
我過去曾為印度的一些公司提供谘詢，我
一直看到的是，大公司不能討論政治，因為政治被認為是
政治不正確的。所以，如果董事會裏有人站出來，
說，嘿，這就是你們通過
引進某些人給我們的合作帶來的問題，凱文，這個人會怎麽樣？他會立刻被解雇，他會立刻被
解雇。所以，剩下的都是政治正確的人，他們不想
挑戰這種來自第三世界國家的持續移民，
而且他們很少會讓我加入，因為呃，某個有良知的人
希望我說出他們不做的髒事。想做，嗯，我很樂意做，嗯，當然，谘詢費也不錯，嗯，但嗯，這是一個你必須要麵對的問題。要記住，有多少架飛機從天上掉下來，是因為軟件不行，嗯，波音737 Max，他們外包給了HCL，比如韓國的一家印度谘詢公司。現在，誰有勇氣公開說，這是因為他們把工作外包給了印度，因為那個人不想在說出來的時候顯得種族歧視，這隻是事實，沒有別的，所以你，嗯，你知道，正如我所說，我在IT公司的生態係統裏已經待了13年，經常有人在喝了幾杯啤酒後告訴我，軟件的質量有時太差，以至於他們不得不在幾年後重寫，但現任經理們並不在意，因為到那時，軟件的問題出現時，他們已經轉向了其他東西。它們是由印度以低廉的成本製造的這些問題開始浮現，所以你知道，這是政治正確、短期主義和企業周邊的自我感覺良好因素的結合。現在你談到了IT行業的印度人，請記住，大多數大公司裏的印度高層都是管理人員，他們不是創新者，他們在那裏工作，
不是因為他們創新，而是因為遵循指令。很多在灣區和其他IT行業的印度人，或者說，在日常桌麵工作，都是低級的軟件程序員，很多人將被人工智能取代。嗯，情況就是這樣，我見過很多CVS，都是假的。
嗯，每個人都為H1B1簽證偽造CVS，這對警察來說是一種趨勢。他們是
幫助你創造的公司，這就是全部，這是一個公開的秘密，每個人都知道，每個人都在談論。
但不知何故，我甚至不知道為什麽美國政府對此無動於衷。這太猖獗了。我和一個在加州做技術招聘的人聊過，她說這周我已經看到三個人發了同一份簡曆了，這很正常。呃，我被帶去了一個政府機構，一個聯邦政府機構。帶我去的人說，別把手機放在口袋裏，跟我一起走。在這家公司，幾乎全是印度人，幾乎全是印度人，而且他們正在打電話。我問他們為什麽都在偷懶，他說不不不，他們在和印度的技術支持人員打電話。因為印度的技術員寫代碼的技術太差了，他們讓那些人接管他們的機器，為他們寫代碼。呃，這就是我們麵臨的情況。呃，現在是一場逐底競爭，你……這讓我很沮喪。我很想聽聽你對那些正在試圖在美國科技界複興的人的建議。讓工人
回來，讓他們再次找到有收入的工作，但在這種環境下非常困難。
所有的招聘人員似乎都來自印度，而且似乎優先考慮外國人而不是美國人。
所以，如果你要給我這樣的人一些建議，讓我們的研究所
製定合理的公共政策，製定戰略，你有什麽建議嗎？
所以，凱文，我現在在東京。
你知道，我想告訴你，看看東亞做了什麽。
東亞做得非常好。日本是完全的。
一直被主流媒體貶低。
日本是地球上最好的國家之一。
嗯，看看中國正在發生多麽巨大的增長。
看看台灣和
韓國。他們沒有。
他們設法從自己的人民中受益。
他們創造了一個基本上同質的社會。99%的日本人是日本人，剩下的1%是
韓國人和中國人，他們很快就融入了他們的社會。
所以呃，你知道，在任何時候，他們實際上都不會引進超過……你知道，超過一小撮人進入他們的國家，所以，你知道，保持同質化是有價值的，因為這樣就不會有文化衝突，而這種衝突在一個異質化社會中才會爆發。嗯，為什麽一定要引進外來人呢？如果你引進外來人，要確保他們像新加坡和香港那樣，在工作結束後離開這個國家，不要給他們長期簽證，不要給他們……護照，也不要給他們幾代人的投票權。據我在加拿大聽到的，即使你不是加拿大公民，你也可以在地方選舉中投票，所以，在今天的西方世界，我們簡直是……完全瘋狂和愚蠢。是的，同情心已經……同情心已經變成了一種癌症。同情心和寬容已經……在今天的西方世界完全失控了。是的，也許這是一種……一種包羅萬象的頹廢。呃，也許吧事情對我們來說太容易了，或者你知道，這裏麵有騙局，比如幾周前我嚴厲批評了我們當地的市議會，他們想做的是，把25萬美元的聯邦資金，
給一個誌願機構，而這個機構每年已經獲得1.14億美元的聯邦資金，
幫助他們在這個小城市重新安置更多來自世界各地的難民。
他們覺得這樣做很榮幸，而我
隻是讓他們吃盡了苦頭，但我是一個種族主義者、仇外主義者、民族主義者。
你知道這是一場悲劇，我，我，我，我堅信，最終，
總會有不好的時候，但如果社會凝聚力強，
你可以信任你身邊的人、你左邊的人和你右邊的人，你的處境就會好得多，這似乎就是你想對我說的，呃，是的，嗯，絕對的，呃，凱文，是的 不不僅僅是信任，而是相似性或價值觀，呃，事實上，你沒有我們剛才談到的種姓製度，你沒有新的問題，比如殺害女嬰或法定年齡，所有這些問題最初都不是歐洲的問題，它們越來越成為歐洲的問題，因為你引入了不同的文化，而這些文化的問題反映在這些……新的法律的製定中，這絕對是每個人都承認這些文化實際上並沒有融合，而……你所做的隻是處理表象，你無法真正糾正潛在的文化問題，因為現在這些人，因為你大量輸入他們，他們甚至無法融入，他們生活在自己的貧民窟裏，他們中的很多人甚至不學英語，即使他們學英語，他們說話也帶著當地貧民窟的口音，所以你不關注西方世界，實際上是在摧毀它，但問題是……在一個民主製度下，西方世界已經開始的那種煽動性言論，嗯，你知道所有這些……甜言蜜語，所有這些浪漫的談話對選民的影響比獲得選票要大得多，然後，然後，真正做一些具體的事情，而在東亞的同質社會中，他們必須堅持為社會創造價值，否則他們很快就會被淘汰，哇，我真的，我認為這可能是一個很好的結束夏安的事情，現在我要發布一個呃鏈接到你的網站呃在這個視頻上，但人們可以通過訪問giantbandari.com找到你，這是正確的，是的，我把我寫的一切都發布在我的網站上，當然還有Twitter，你除了Twitter之外還有其他社交媒體平台嗎？是的，我在LinkedIn和Facebook上，你可以搜索我的名字，在那裏查看我的頁麵，太棒了，我真的希望我能參加下一次資本主義和道德會議，我認識的每個人都參加了，我真的很沮喪，我沒有接種疫苗，不能跨越邊境，但我明年肯定想參加，非常感謝你，感謝你堅定的信念，我希望當人們觀看這段視頻時，他們會受到啟發，在那天至少做一件勇敢的事情來反擊這種行為。凱文，我是西方社會的產物，他們給了我今天的成就，所以我想通過我的觀點來回報他們，我認為他們應該糾正哪些方麵，謝謝你邀請我參加，謝謝你

Jayant Bhandari On The Impact of Indian Migration On Western Countries

Institute for Sound Public 2023年5月5日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjYqQj3-QfA

On May 4, 2023, we sat down with Jayant Bhandari, essayist and commentator on politics, culture, economics and philosophy to discuss the prevalence of caste discrimination among Indian migrant communities in the United States and Europe. You can learn about and follow Jayant on the following platforms:

https://jayantbhandari.com/about/

Twitter:  @JayantBhandari5

問

America's working class has been cheated that is an assertion that's a Koch brothers proposal uh then the Democrats jumped right on board with the corporatists they got in bed with Wall Street military industrial complex the fossil fuels Silicon Valley and now look what happened to the country we have the bigger biggest income disparity since the Gilded Age bigger than that there's more expanded trade has thrown the working class into much more competition than they experienced before trade with lower wage countries took off can't say is that as a country we have to make a different set of choices because the choices we made have hurt working people Congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street all I know is that first you've got to get mad you've got to say I'm a human being God damn it my life has value hello and welcome to the institute for sound public policy podcast I'm your host Kevin Lynn and I am joined by Giant bhandari and what's great about having Giant on tonight he is going to be the first guest on the newly rebranded Institute for sound public policy podcast and website so welcome Giant uh thanks for having me on uh Kevin and thanks for the honor of having me as your first guest well this is great sowhat I want to do John is first start off with telling our audience a little bit about you and then jump into what we we really want to talk about which is some recent headlines regarding uh cast-based discrimination here in the United States which is something of a novel a novel phenomenon okay so uh it's great to have you here Gian because you are I think really qualified to talk about this because you're a writer on politics economics Society cultural issues you write for the likes of the Liberty magazine The mises Institute here in the United States Canada and India uh you collaborate with Doug Casey on Casey research and his acting man an international Man of all podcasts that I watch uh you've your articles are picked up uh in Zero Hedge Lou Rockwell Frasier Institute Libra Malden economics uh you're a you're a Commodities precious metal person so you write for those journals like Northern minor Mining Journal mining markets and others and uh you're also a contributing Editor to Liberty magazine and more so uh every year uh giant you've you've run a really interesting uh seminar in Vancouver British Columbia called capitalism and morality so without any further Ado giant welcome to the show um thanks for having me on Kevin and thanks for having me as the first uh guest on your podcast you'll be a little lonely up on the new YouTube page and new Twitter feed but uh you'll have a lot of company very soon I am sure well great the reason as we discussed why I'd love to chat with you tonight is uh a bill just passed the assembly in the legislature in California on class-based discrimination and also this year there was a lawsuit by employees at Cisco over what they felt was cast-based discrimination by their supervisors and even though the state opted not to pursue it they're actually uh pursuing their own lawsuit so I thought maybe we'd start things off with Gian with first kind of orienting our audience as to what cast is and then we can get into uh how this phenomena seems to be following these waves of Indian migrations around the world

Jayant Bhandari 

so so Kevin let's go back in history a bit and let me very uh summarize the background here uh when Europeans particularly the British when they arrived in India they saw a society they experienced a society that was barbaric and Savage and a British being systems guys Industrial Revolution was about to start in in the UK because they were systems guy they were trying to create a structure around the arbitrariness chaos savitri and barbarism of India and that was actually a mistake because by creating a system around what was fundamentally chaotic uh was uh conveying going to convey a subliminally a wrong message to the future generation now these people Indians had no concept of their own history they had they they kept not much written record of their own history Indian history was discovered by the British Indian religious scriptures were lost it was the British who discovered those and translations and the text that we have here we are exposed to in the west are really the result of the British Excavating these yes and except for one Indian I know of no Indian who has ever read any of those texts so when Indians talk or glorify about the the the the the Romantic background they have in terms of a spiritual text they're fooling you because they have never read any of those themselves uh but now understand this thing that with this thing what they wanted the British wanted to do was to create a systems and underpinning a structure to convey to other people what they saw in India but they made as I said a huge mistake that they tried to create a system around around chaos so they picked out books again books that they themselves found and translated which helped them give some kind of a structure to what they saw and then they went ahead with defining uh the caste system uh into four or five subgroups uh now uh the the reality is that uh the ground reality even today is very different from those four or five uh caste system groupings uh India has anything depending on who you ask between three thousand to thirty thousand casts and subcasts and if you ask me I would tell you that they are 1.4 billion costs in India because every interaction with an Indian is setting in place a packing order uh which means that every interaction when within with an Indian leads to a conversation in which both of them are trying to judge who is going to be superior in the interaction and who is going to be inferior so the cost system is uh is is a person to person cast system and that's why I say they are 1.4 billion costs in in the country and that is why uh Kevin just to conclude this thing you know person with any sanity it wants to smile at other people in India or help other people in India because if you do that you are in the immediately seen as inferior and belonging to the servant class because only servants are supposed to help you interesting I I you brought you may you made me think of a conversation I literally had two days ago with one of our activists in Texas in Dallas Fort Worth area and he was looking out his window he lives in a larger apartment complex and most of the people there are Indians and he thinks that most are families where someone is out there on an H-1B visa and it was taco night at the rec center and he watched the woman who was the manager she had all these plates of how you know tacos in her hand and she had some bags and she was making her way to the door and there was a couple who were there of Indian descent and they smiled at her and everything but they didn't get the door like he said he's watching from his window and she's like nudging the door open kicking open with her leg and they couldn't be bothered to help and I thought that is so a 180 degrees from the typical response of a Texan who would see that uh transpire very interesting and I could see where this is Way Beyond because you know as as men I have found that if I go to a reception and I'm there it's a let's say a networking function we're all kind of searching for Alpha and who's who's the leader who's the guy and usually someone will pop out the Rolex on the wrist and he's the one that's running a certain company and and as soon as we know that I think subconsciously we all kind of fall behind we're ready to go out on the hunt now uh but this is much deeper than that this is every interaction you're saying it is like this every single interaction and I completely agree with you there's a cloth system everywhere on the planet but the degree of cost and cost system that exists in India is way out of proportion to what you see in the West in the west everyone tries to be equal to the other person in India everyone makes sure he looks different from other person it's a very atomized society and and all social interactions are about setting your place in the pecking order interesting I you know one of the things I wanted to talk to you about tonight uh was uh what happened at Cisco where I mentioned that you have uh you know some employees who were of Indian descent felt that they were being discriminated by other Indian managers there and a while back I was speaking with a manager at a tech company and he uh an american guy and we were talking about the H-1B program at his companies because I said well you know they he said Kev understand we pay our h-1bs who are here in the U.S the same as anyone else they have all the same they make the same money the same benefits but the problem we're having is this tribalism that's building up where uh and the way he laid it out and I'd love to get your thoughts on this because I think it tracks of what you just said he said like they have a farm team they have a company you know you know an outpost in India a company in India an operation there and he said to get to that operation you had to be a hyper aggressive male and then to go from there to the United States you had to be a hyper hyper aggressive male and these people get here and their concern seems to be about the you know the power building the walls making sure that their career survives everything else and uh the problem they're having is people like this who are very tribal versus the rest of the world it seems so I thought that I wanted to you know ask you to opine on that but also uh give your thoughts now on on how you see this caste system emerging in the U.S is it good you know you know obviously it's not good but what are your thoughts uh on on these cases and where should we what what should we be paying particular attention to and what should we be learning from all this so Kevin let me respond to your first comment first I used to work for an Amari company following their Indian portfolio up and uh you know in my position as the as an analyst for that company I could call up the CEO of any company in North America and he would pick up my call but the problem with following the Indian portfolio was that if I called up a company in India the receptionist would ask me my designation and then she would say that I could not talk with the CEO because my designation was not appropriate for the CEO of in the Indian company and then that he she would connect me only with the person with a similar designation in their company so that's again uh telling you about the packing system that exists in that country Now Kevin over the last 13 years I have spent a lot of time in Philadelphia and in San Francisco I have existed in the ecosystem of Haiti people in both the cities and in every Condo building that I have lived in there are of course a lot of Indians and they group themselves not only based on their costs but based on the language they speak and I'm talking about Indians here the religion they have the region they come from so you see all these subgroups Within These so-called educated Indians so responding to your third comment there by bringing in all these immigrants you have brought in the cultural problems of these people now I hear from Americans all the time that they have no problems with legal immigrants the problem is that you are still bringing in a massive cultural Problem by bringing so many people in bulk who are allowed to get wise they are allowed to get wise because you are bringing in so many people that they can always find a person of their own kind and never try to assimilate in the American society and the end result is

that you now as you mentioned a legal process going on in which you want to

create laws against the cost discrimination which is an admission by

absolutely everyone that the cost system is now here in the U.S and you have

brought in the problems of India the question is why did you bring all those

problems to to the U.S yeah and we really didn't need to the

H-1B you know and I'd like to get your thoughts on another thing before we delve into that because to me there's

this line of demarcation and it began it's pre-1990 and post 1990. uh when I

was a kid growing up in the 60s and 70s if there was an Indian or a Filipino or

a doctor from Hong Kong working in my small rural community

they were the best uh there was one doctor in particular who had diagnosed

very early on a spinal column issue with one of my sister's classmates and all

the the American doctors like we would have never caught that that's amazing and so there was if you were here it's

almost as if wow you were the best of the best and then after the Immigration Reform Act of 1990 when we saw the H-1B

visa created that and it just became this pipeline of because over 73 percent

of people that get H1B visas every year are come from one country India and it's

it's been recognized as a pipeline of cheap labor that's basically indentured

labor for their corporate Masters so that's why they're here I mean that's the why but as you're saying there's

some serious ramifications to all this other than the actual displacement of Americans who probably had to train them

to do their jobs yeah so these Indians might be earning the among the highest salary or on

average basis as a community but the problem is that they are still not uh

Western in their way of thinking they bring in their cost system their their

bigotry into the U.S and as a result you have these ghettoized rich educated

Indians in in North America today yeah and there's probably in your

opinion I I because as I look at things I don't see you know where unless the

America the citizenry kind of rise up and demand that immigration be curbed

like we did in 1924 because what people don't most Americans don't fully

understand is between 1924 and 1965 we really had zero net immigration into the

U.S we built the middle class my mother came in 1952 during that period and everyone assimilated very well it was

restrictive and well regulated but when you would mention the 1.4

billion contacts and connections that's 1.4

billion people in India and I was reading something recently where they're

predicting by 2030 there could be 500 million Indians that don't have access

to water so I don't see any curve coming to where what's going to lower uh

immigration to the U.S well I don't know where you get that figure from uh most Indians don't have

access to water Kevin uh it was only when I arrived in the west that I realized that you could get water 24

hours in the tap um even in the best and most urbanized richest part of India you get water for

a couple of hours every day that's the limit of water in the Taps

um the a very very large proportion of the country uh easily much more than

half a billion people have zero access to tap water they have to go to the

sewage kind of canals to get some water so uh yes the country is complete is

still Savage it's still barbaric and there will be huge pressures on the

western system because anyone who understands the world will even vaguely

will try to leave is trying to leave India and move to the U.S there's a massive amount amount of illegal

refugees now entering the U.S from the Mexican border and this will continue to

increase as time goes by because uh just the fact that one out of five or one out

of six people on the planet is an Indian today interesting I'd like to get your

thoughts um I had read uh where some 4.5

million people enter the workforce each year in India then I've also seen where it's 12 million I'm not sure the exact

number and there's a lot of talk and it scares me when I hear

uh bureaucrats in Washington DC talking about hey we're going to limit our

dependence on China and move the manufacturing like Foxpro they're going to move operations to India and I'm

going oh my God haven't we learned anything from covet uh what are your

thoughts on this I mean can you industrialize India can you

build a middle class in India I mean from what you just told me probably not

oh Kevin I have been writing about India for the last 25 years and you can go

back to my articles you can go back to my speeches 10 15 years back which are on YouTube in which I

tell people not to compare India with China they this is a stupid comparison

they are incomparable countries um China is a first world country from

the perception of what India is like and China continues to improve whereas India

continues to degrade so there is absolutely no connection with the two kind between the two countries India

today has uh among the most polluted countries on the planet if you look at

the list of all the polluted countries on the planet most of them are Indian a couple of them are in the Middle East

but that is because there's a lot of sand in the air in some of the Middle Eastern cities

and so I and I go to China quite often Kevin Chinese uh environment has

improved drastically by every passing year now oh really

it's not like when we used to go there 10 years ago you if you're wearing a

white shirt in Shanghai it would be like Yellow by the end of the day well it

might you know there's still pollution in in Shanghai and there's still pollution in a lot of places in China

but compared to what it used to be things have improved very drastically in

China Chinese are becoming civilized China at least industrialized India

managed to pollute itself and Destroy its environment without even industrial

without even starting to industrialize there's no industrialization in in India

virtually everything usable that comes to that country comes from China if you

go and buy a plastic toy it is made in China so now if you think that

manufacturing will ever move to India is is you know this is concocted by people

who have no concept of reality I have been advising Western countries on

investing in India to most of who I say don't bother because most of them eventually end up losing all the money

they invest in that country but but while I say to most people don't bother

to couple of them because of a special situations I advise on investing in

India uh but you always have to remember that Indians are extremely uneducated

extremely unskilled and it is primarily a Savage and barbaric Society where they

are where there's no rule of law and uh the institutions are have been completely hollowed out it's a very

venal set of people who run that country while we're talking about the people

that run the country what are your thoughts on Modi and the cabal around

him well I mean again uh Modi claims that he

was a tea seller in a at a railway station um before he started

started his political career and that tells you that he actually has no experience of uh life in India now I

have nothing against these sellers Kevin but it gives you a certain kind of

qualification and understanding about the country uh Modi uh for example uh

look for any interviews that Modi has given and you will find none

Modi does not give interviews to journalists he does not even address any

any audience and responds to or response to questions of anyone uh

he always gives a pre-prepared monologue to people so that tells you about his

understanding he is there because his party is started this anti-muslim

um uh propaganda and and I have nothing good to say about Muslims Kevin but

because there are two sides of the same coin really and that is very important to remember these are the lower caste

upper caste Muslims Hindus they are all a part of the same coin

um no one none of them is any special there and Modi is using uh Hindu

fanaticism to increase his control over the country uh and that is leading the

country to the exactly the same path that Pakistan started going about 20 years back

interesting and there just doesn't seem to be any way to

pull out because obviously he's you know he's someone who isn't an experienced bureaucrat he he's not familiar with

government per se he just landed in that position and he leads as a demagogue

would uh absolutely there's no way out of that situation and that is why every Indian

who can leave the country leaves the country uh the country is falling apart

and I'm saying this Kevin because despite the fact that if you go on CNN

or if you go to uh the German ambassador or if you go to uh the I'm not talking

about recent Talks by uh Secretary of Commerce the USA they are

extraordinarily euphoric about India they see India as the the place that

will deliver growth to the world and that is that tells me about two things

either these people are completely completely stupid or they are trying to

position India for something against China now remember Uh Kevin that while

uh India and Hinduism might look cute and

all acceptable from the Western perspective they are not your friends because at

underpinning everything to do with India is savagery and barbarism and irrationality and magical thinking it

does not the cogs the there's no there's no uh

synchronization between the two cultures whereas these stations and that includes

China they instinctively want to copy Western base and Chinese have copied

Western ways if you look go to Paris or London you will see a lot of Chinese because they want to copy and paste the

behavioral patterns of Europeans now maybe that is wrong but at least they are trying to understand and copy what

they see as classy right I mean that's where it all started

Japanese started its Hong Kong people started it singaporeans then followed South Koreans followed and now Chinese

are going on steroids with the same thing Chinese East Asia whatever it is

today is a product of the good values that they have accepted adapted and

adopted for their own purposes in South Asians they are hedonistic they

don't have a moral underpinning fabric which means that they really don't they

they seem to be cute in the short term but they contribute nothing to your culture

interesting so where what would you say are the three

for you personally the three most important aspects or

Guides of what a western civilization what what do you think are the most

important aspects of civilization that can't necessarily be copied and could be

in danger with these mass migrations well it's not could be in danger the

Western Society has decided to do harakiri by bringing in a massive amount

of people from the third world and this trend cannot be reversed the problem is

that people from the third world today have more children in many parts of the

western world than the people who are ethnically European have so this trend

is irreversible now uh for most of the Western World unfortunately uh what are

the three points great things about the Western World I wish I could you know

really Define those three things in in uh uh Kevin it is a very subliminal

thing Western Society is the only civilization that ever emerged out of

the animal kingdom and that made human beings human beings distinct from

animals uh there are so many things and I I don't you know many people say

Christianity this was uh destructive to the Western Society maybe Christianity

was destructive maybe it contributed massively to providing a moral fabric to

the Western Society um the the concept of reason that emerged from

Greco-Roman systems the what we call Barbarians from the Germanic tribes who

had the concept of honor and these were warriors and there's a lot of value in

being Warriors there's a there's honor there's Integrity there's a community

spirit in being Warriors so there's a lot of qualities that's just just came

together in the west over a period of two millennia and made the West what it is today now

uh I'm not talking about the economy here you could be actually poor but I'm talking about the the

intellectual spiritual the psychological the emotional growth that

uh that started happening in in Europe which led to economic progress and most

importantly which led to intellectual progress which brought in philosophy that brought in a moral structure of

conduct so this is interesting just to conclude Kevin um you know I can't be sitting with a

leftist American and I'm as right-wing as you can think of a person can be and

I can have a a decent conversation with him he can disagree with each we can

completely disagree with each other but we can still end up shaking hands or at

least stop talking with each other if I have a similar con conversation

even with a right-wing Indian and even if we agree on most points the problem is that he he might start shouting at me

for the minor points of disagreement and this is the so there's just this

subliminal um uh the the foundations are so well

set over those two Millennia that created the youth the European civilization

right it's it's interesting you've got you've triggered so many thoughts in my mind one

right we're saying I'm having trouble boiling it down and this one phrase that comes from the Victorian times came to

me and it was like what the English would say to each other be British

you know what does that mean well it's obviously a lot of things and you know

one's deportment one's you know so many things and then also uh when we look at

uh just recently there was a post on social media and it was some uh

Indian journalists and he was saying how oh my God look at all these tech companies in the U.S and their you know

immigrants were part of some of them and there's this glomming on to of men what

I see among many uh H-1B holders and people that are pushing the H-1B visa

program and bringing in more people from India it's like oh my God they know technology no technology and to me it's

almost like wait a minute it's like someone like they're running a marathon and this guy jumps in on the last two

miles of it and he crosses the finish line and goes I I've just run a marathon it's like wait a minute U.S technology

companies they go back their roots go back to the 1900s The Innovation the

productivity that was going on in the 20s and the 30s that led to the vacuum

tubes and then later after World War II the transistors and then the semiconductors

this was a whole infrastructure that was built out and for people now to take

credit for you know building apps and enhancing the value of a service like

Google and thing I'm just gobsmacked by and it doesn't bode well

because I'd like to get your thoughts on on another uh conversation I had with the director of a technology

manufacturing company and I expected it to get a lot of pushback from because I

kind of cornered them at breakfast to talk about the H-1B visa program and he

goes Kev I agree with you and like really he goes yeah look he goes look

like in Bangalore we have a group over there and if I tell them exactly what to

do they're going to do it really really well but if I go to them with a problem to

solve crickets but here in like a couple I tell someone from the rest of the world

hey this is a problem a couple weeks later they'll come back and hey let's spitball this against the wall and try

to solve this so what he said was we're taking a hit on Innovation you know for

20 years you've been following this this uh efficiency model uh maximize profits

you know lower costs uh you know ring everything out but innovation's been

hurt and also ultimately productivity uh things having to be done over again uh

it's uh so that you know I'd like to get your thoughts on on those uh on what I

just said and again the the implications and ultimately does that lead you to say

look we just simply need to put an end to this kind of migration so so uh two things Kevin as I told you

that I I have advised companies on on India in the past and what I

consistently see is that big Corporation Corporation corporations uh cannot discuss politics what is

considered Politically Incorrect so if someone in their boardroom speaks up and

says hey this is the problem you are bringing into our cooperation by

bringing in certain kind of people what would happen to that person Kevin he would be fired right away he would be

fired right away so what you are left with are politically correct people who do not

want to challenge this continual immigration of people from the third world

and very rarely they bring me on board because uh someone with some conscience

wants me to speak up what the do the do the dirty laundry that they don't want

to do uh and I'm happy to do that um uh for of course a good consulting

fee um uh but uh this is a problem that you know you have

to remember uh how many of those uh uh you know planes that fell off the sky

fell because the software was not um the Boeing 737 Max they outsourced

that to HCL like Korea a Indian consulting firm it was in now now who

has the courage to say publicly that it was because they offloaded the work to

India because that person does not want to look racist while speaking up what are just facts nothing else so you uh

you know as I said I have existed in the ecosystem of it companies for the last

13 years and what I am constantly told by people after a couple of beers is

that the quality of software is sometimes so bad that they have to

rewrite it after a couple of years but the current managers don't care because there they would have moved on to

something else by the time the problems that the software that they are getting made at cheap cost from India those

problems start to surface so you know this is a combination of political correctness short terminism and uh you

know just this uh feel good Factor around corporations now you talked about

uh Indians uh in positions in it in the IT industry now remember most of the

high higher level Indians in big corporations are administrators they are not innovators they are not there

because they innovate but they are there because they they follow what they are

told to follow a lot of Indians in the Bay Area and in

in in other it sectors or um routine desktop a low low level uh

software programmers a lot of who will be replaced by artificial intelligence

um so so that is the the situation and I have seen so many CVS and that are fake

uh everyone creates fake CVS for h1b1 visas this is a trend for cop they are

companies that help you create and this is all and this is an Open Secret everyone knows about it everyone talks

about it but somehow I don't even know why the the government of the United States does nothing about it no it's

rampant I was speaking with someone who did Tech recruiting for the State of California and she said I've seen the

same resume for three different people this week already and that's normal and uh I was taken

through a government a federal government agency and the person taking me through said don't keep your cell

phone in your pocket just walk through with me walk through and in this one

shop it was most all Indians it was all Indians not mostly all Indians and

they're on the phone and I go what are they all goofing off he says no no they're they're on the phone with tech support

back in India because their code writing skills are so bad they're letting those guys take over their machines and write

their code for them uh that's what we're faced with it's uh it's a race to the Bottom now and you

and it's frustrating for me and I'd love to get your advice on someone who is

looking trying to create a Resurgence in U.S among U.S tech workers to get them

back and get them gainfully employed again but it's very difficult in this

environment all the recruiters seem to be from India uh and there seems to be this prioritization of foreigners over

Americans so if you were to give a guy like me some advice our Institute

for sound public policy on strategies to follow do you have anything that you

would you could impart on us so so Kevin I'm currently in Tokyo I am

you know I like to I would like to tell you to look at what East Asia has done

East Asia is doing extremely well Japan is com is is complete Always demeaned by

the mainstream media Japan is one of the best countries on the planet

um look at how massively growth is happening in China uh look at Taiwan and

South Korea the the they don't have uh they managed to benefit from their own

people they have created they have created mostly a homogeneous society 99

of Japanese is Japanese ethnically Japanese and one percent left over is

probably South Korean and Chinese who mix in very quickly with what they have

so uh you know and at any point of time they don't really bring in uh more than

a you know more than a handful of people into their countries so uh you know understand them that there is a value in

being staying homogeneous as because you don't really have the cultural conflicts

that that erupt if you have a heterogeneous society

um why should you have to bring people from outside and if you bring in people from outside make sure as Singapore and

Hong Kong does that they leave the country when the work is over do not give them long-term visas do not give

them your passport and do not give them voting rights for many many generations now from what I have heard in Canada you

can actually vote for look in local election even if you are not a citizen of Canada so we are just going

absolutely crazy and stupid in the western world today yeah compassion has

compassion has metastasized into a kind of cancer compassion and tolerance have

just gone absolutely wild in the western world today yeah perhaps it's a it's a

this overarching decadence uh maybe things just got a little too easy for us

or you know also too there's this there's a grift for instance I lambasted

my local city council a couple weeks ago on what they want to do is they have quarter million dollars of federal

dollars to a volunteer agency that already gets 114 million dollars of of

federal dollars every year to help them resettle more refugees from all over the world in this small City

and they they look upon it as they put them like they're honored to do it and I

just gave them hell but I'm an I'm a I'm now a racist a xenophobe a nationalist

and you know this is the tragedy I I I I I am a firm believer that ultimately

that there's all will always be bad times but if there's social cohesion and

you can trust the person next to you and to your left and to your right you're going to fare much better and that seems

to be what you're saying to me uh yes um absolutely Uh Kevin it's not

just about trust it's it's similarity or values it's uh it's a fact that that you

then don't have what you we just talked about the caste system you don't have the problems new problems like female

infanticide or the age of consent all these problems were not originally best

you know European problems and they have increasingly become European problems because you have brought in cultures

that that that whose problems reflect in these uh

creation of new laws which is an admission by absolutely everyone that these cultures don't actually mix and

all you are doing is dealing with the symptoms you cannot really correct the underlying cultural problems because now

these people because you are importing them in large numbers can't even assimilate they live in their own ghettos they a lot of them don't even learning English and if they learn English they speak with the accent of their local ghetto so you are really destroying the Western World by not paying attention to it but the problem

is that in a democratic system the kind of demagoguery that has started in the Western World um you know all these uh mushy talk all these romantic conversations make a lot

more impact on a voter than it to get votes uh then uh then really doing

something concrete whereas in homogeneous Societies in East Asia they

have to stick to uh creating value for the society otherwise they get thrown out very quickly wow I really and I think that's a probably a great note to wind things down on Cheyenne uh now I'm going to post a uh a link to your your website uh on with this video but people can find you simply by going to giantbandari.com com that's correct yeah and I post everything that I write and write on my website and then of course there's Twitter do you are you on any other social media platforms other than Twitter uh yes I'm on LinkedIn and I'm on Facebook you can search my name and see my page there fantastic well I'm really hoping giant that I can make it to the next capitalism and morality conference it everyone I know who went I again I'm really bummed out I I was unjabbed and couldn't get across the border so but I definitely want to attend next year and thank you so much for you know the courage of your convictions and I'm hoping when people watch this video they'll be inspired to do one at least one Brave act that day in terms of pushing back against this well Kevin I'm a product of the western Society they gave me what I am today so I want to contribute back by giving my views on what I think they should correct course on and thanks for having me on thank you