不明則問：
先問這幾個問題。估計每一個後麵都會有後續問題的。戰線拉太長了不好handle。
Q1：什麽是“原罪”？為什麽我們會被認為有“原罪”？
Q2："Christian have a whole different mind set"---how different? And why?
Q3：為什麽基督教會和教徒要不遺餘力的攻擊“進化論”？
謝謝！
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yesIbelieve：
I think to understand Christinality, the most fundamental questions are do you believe Jesus, do you believe he is God? There are too much into this question, I am refer you to a book: the case for Christ by Lee Strobel, he is a Jornalist graduated from Yale law school, the book describe his investigation on the identity for Jesus, he started trying to prove Jesus was an illusion, ended up with the believe that Jesus is the Christ. You can buy the book on line, here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0310209307/bookstorenow57-20
If you do not believe there is a God, and Jesus is the God, then discussions about christianality became a philosophical debate. I feel that is meaningless. The reason being Christian believe the bible, and there is a holy spirit guided the writing and assembly of the bible, so they are God's word even though He used human hand to finish the work. The teaching of the bible is either God's word or nothing at all. If Jesus is a lie, why should we believe anything the bible says?
For now I will just give you a very brief answer to your question:
1. The orginainal sin is also called "genesis chapter three problem". In genesis Chapter three, the serpent deceived Eve, and Adam, lead them to eat the fruit on the tree of knowledge. This is a sin because God had told them do not eat those fruits. As children of Adam and Eve, we are all sinful--- we all tend to dosobey God.
2. Because Christian believe after leave this earth, we are going to live in the new heavan and new earth with God, life in this earth is only a very small part. Just as we think give children little bit tough time will do children good, we look the life on this earth the same way. Tough times are supposed to lead us grow stronger spiritually.
3. The answer to the third question may vary with different Christian groups. Some people take the old testment word by word, some people think the old testment is meant to be a spiritual book, it deliver the idea, not necessary a factual story book. Afterall, evolution is only a theory, nobody was there to prove it, few experiments in the chemistry lab is far from prove. Alternative theory, such as intelligence design emerge in recent years. Science will progress over time, we have known very little about life at this moment. However, I live on this age, I need to decide for myself, is there God? As I read the new testment, I feel the story is very real, much more reliable than a impossible-to-prove scientific theory, so I chose to believe the former. Everyone has to make their own choices.
Feel free to contact me if you have further questions, it is nice talking to you.:)
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不明則問：
下麵是我的簡單回複：
首先，要相信一個事物（包括GOD之類），都應該有足夠的證據。我雖然沒有讀過你提到的書，但我也讀過不少雙方（相信和反對基督教的）的書和文章。在我看來，相信一方並沒有提出足夠有說服力的證據。他們所提出的很多證據，是基於個人的精神體驗、個人的盲目相信等等。這些，都不能作為客觀證據用以服人。其它的一些證據，比如摩西分開紅海之水、處女生子、耶穌行奇跡治病等等，則無法得到現代科學的證明。即使不考慮科學的證明，這類的奇跡也沒能被重複而向現代人展示。
關於你對我的問題的回答：
1。先假設亞當和夏娃的故事是真的。我們首先會有一個問題：以一代祖先所犯下的“罪行”而要後輩曆代作為“原罪”來背負，實在是一個非常不講理的做法。考慮一個人類自己的例子：當年日本人在中國犯下了滔天罪行，我們中國人有要日本人的後輩代代都背負這個“原罪”麽？這個宇宙的“造物者”在這點上難道連我們人類（“被造物”）都比不上麽？
其次，一個如此心腸狹隘、對自己所創造的人類所犯下的一個“罪行”永遠記仇的“神”，是不是太可怕、太不可思議了？為什麽要我們相信這個宇宙的“造物者”（如果有的話）是如此的小器和愚昧？
當然，你會拿“神讓他的親兒子來替世人贖罪”這種說法來解釋。但這個漏洞百出的說法自己就很有問題。我這裏先不打算扯到那些問題上去，隻想指出一點：如果這個“造物者”能原諒人類的祖先所曾經犯下的“罪行”，不就完了？不就沒有必要玩那個什麽“贖罪”的鬧劇了嗎？為什麽他不肯原諒？
2。“Because Christian believe after leave this earth, we are going to live in the new heavan and new earth with God”。
不幸的是：從來沒有任何人（包括基督徒）能向世人證明這個“after life”和“new heavan and new earth” 的存在。這個“相信”是沒有任何事實基礎的。
同時，把“現世生命”和“after life”的關係作為一種哲學/人生觀，不是基督教所獨有的。別的宗教也有，比如伊斯蘭教。
3。“Some people take the old testment word by word, some people think the old testment is meant to be a spiritual book, it deliver the idea, not necessary a factual story book.”
那麽到底誰的說法是正確的呢？基督教/天主教有幾萬個教派，還有許多“次教派”，看法和說法都很不相同，他們到底誰是真正理解了“上帝”的意思的呢？
“Afterall, evolution is only a theory, nobody was there to prove it, few experiments in the chemistry lab is far from prove. ”
請告訴我，現代科學中，哪一個領域的理論不是“only a theory”？進化論和它們有什麽不同而要遭受基督教/天主教徒的凶狠攻擊？
現代進化論是有非常大量的科學證據所支持的。絕對不僅僅是“few experiments in the chemistry lab” 那麽簡單。這些證據出自於很多學科和領域，比如：分子生物學、古生物學、考古學、地質學、物理、化學、等等。
“Alternative theory, such as intelligence design emerge in recent years.”
說到“intelligence design”（智能設計論），這不過是一些搞科學的人在無法/沒有看到科學答案時對宗教的投降的產物。這些理論除了舉出一大堆事例來宣稱沒法用科學的辦法來解釋，隻能用“上帝”來解釋以外，什麽有用的都沒說。這樣的“理論”，一言以庇之，實際上就是“科學無用論”的不同版本而已。跟當初的“讀書無用論”一樣糟糕，而危害還更大---因為它們要阻擋的是全人類的思想前進的步伐。當然，隻是“螳臂擋車”而已。
“As I read the new testment, I feel the story is very real, much more reliable than a impossible-to-prove scientific theory,”
首先，還是那句話：你讀“新約”時的感覺不能成為一種“理論”的證明，因為缺乏客觀證據。
其次，如果進化論是“impossible-to-prove”，請你舉出例子來說明有什麽其他的科學理論是“possible-to-prove”的？為什麽？
謝謝你的跟帖。
你關於耶穌存在的證據並不convincing。因為他的時代的某個人的存在與否並不能證明他的真實存在。耶穌存在與不存在的證據和論戰一直都在進行著。我讀過雙方的一些文章。他們也都列出了許多證據。看過後，還是無法相信耶穌的存在。
不過，我們原來爭論的重點並非是耶穌這個人的存在，而是基督教所宣揚的“神”的存在。這個“神”的許多行為其實並不怎麽象是一個真正心胸寬大的創造之神，而象是一個小雞肚腸的人。我的主帖裏有提出幾個例子。其他的還有很多。
你提到舊約中的“神”。其實，舊約中提到好些例子顯示這個“神”也有許多並不光彩的地方。比如，他慫恿他的選民攻城略地，並在攻陷城池後燒殺搶掠。再比如，僅僅因為有人（出於愛護之心）觸摸了“聖櫃”而殘殺了他們。這種種行為，實在不配一個宇宙創造者的身份和應有的胸懷。
如你一樣，我也是憑記憶寫的這些東西，並不保證一定記憶正確。
如果你有時間，我倒是想請你回應我在主帖中對第“1”和“3”兩點的回答。謝謝！
I do not want to get into the detail today, but I say what described in the bilbe is history to me, not a religion. At about the the same period as Jesus, Alexander the great was consider a real person and his story was considered to be history. While Jesus's story, the bible have many more copies and there were more consistency amony the copies. Also Achelogical evidence suggests that what the bible described was true. Just one example, for many years, non-Vhristians questined the person who ruled the execusion of Jesus, pilot. Because the governor pilot was known to live at different time period. Only recent achelogical evidence shown the governor pilot did exist in Jesus's time as well, it was probably the son of the other pilot that people know.
Look, all these are from my memory, and I am too afraid I do not remember exactly right, that is why I suggest you go read the book.
I just want to say there are many many evidence, it all depends on if you believe ot not.
If you read the old testment, you will find God shown the Jewish people that HE is with them for many times, and right after the event, they believed that God was with them. Then they forgot...