Ratio put spread theoretical max profit/breakeven

本帖於 2025-02-18 12:36:11 時間, 由普通用戶 三心三意 編輯
回答: 請教Ratio spread 問題aloevera2025-02-18 11:19:38

Max profit = spread (differennce between two strike) + net credit (when you create the spread)

Breakeven = lower strike price - max profit.

For example, a 300/290 (1:2) put spread with a credit of $5 (300 put cost $9, and 290 put cost $7), its max profit is $10+$5=$15, and breakeven is 290-15=275

If taking stock loss into consideration too,  then 300 to 290 drop is fully protected, breakeven in this case would be 287.5 (ie, $2.5 of the $5 credit protects further stock drop from 290 to 287.5, and another $2.5 of the $5 credit protects the stock that is assigned to you at 290). So, net net, you are protected with $12.5 drop with zero cost. Even better, if you intend to hold stock anyway and dont mind temporary drop, then you are essentially buying more shares at 275 (of course, you lose protection on the existing shares)

If you buy put directly, you pay $9 premiums, and it would only make sense if stock drops to 300-(9+12.5) or lower.

Basically, if you expect stock to drop a lot, ratio put spread is NOT a good idea. But if stock drops modestly, it cuts down the cost a lot.

 

 

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謝三心大俠詳細解釋! 我覺得她問題的本質是不理解 -任靜鍋-- 給 任靜鍋- 發送悄悄話 任靜鍋- 的博客首頁 (243 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 12:00:34

對了,如果直接sell 300 put with $9credit, breakeven 是 $390-$4.5 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 12:13:12

In the case of NVDA, we combine hedge with Elliot wave -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (630 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 13:01:14

My explanation -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (1949 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:21:04

You calculation is not correct, I haven' looked APP -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (144 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:37:48

Try to think it in a simple way which might help u -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (919 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:43:37

Let me put it into a example -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (3992 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:25:43

Sorry, you logic is very confused. Can't help further :) -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:30:22

Try last time (put the facts here so we are on the same page -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (675 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:41:26

you are confused about "selling 2 puts" -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (560 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:49:07

舉個極端的例子,即使APP掉到100,480-465(1:1)的組合任然有$15的價值,所以這個465是永遠不會被買進的 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:00:58

這樣的話,永遠隻能賺這$15 max profit. 我是在比較max profit. 也就是哪邊hedge 的最大化呀 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (91 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:11:14

再給你舉個極端的例子,你可以賣100 張465的Put contact,那豈不是max profit1更多? -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:14:54

因為put ratio spread 就是賣2張put呀,所以也用2 張put 在selling put only上。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (692 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:36:57

I gave up :) -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:41

Sorry for taking up so much of your time! Feel bad。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:41:13

After dinner, I relooked at your posts. I think I've got it -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (532 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 20:35:20

要係統的學呀,這樣操作太危險 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:15:54

唉,學藝不精見笑,目前先不做這個交易了。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (167 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:39

I just looked at your APP -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (239 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:04:25

The premium of 20.8 is for selling put at 465 not at 480. -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (44 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:30:31

ok, in this case, breakeven is (465- 20.8 + 480) / 2 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:33:33

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