Let me put it into a example

It is equivalent of doign two things

1: Buy 300 put and sell 290 put 

2: Sell a separate 290 put.

Assume stock closed at 290 at expiration date, then clearly #1 has a value of $10, which equal to spread, and #2 has a value of $0.  Total profit is $10x100 =$1000, you add 5x100=$500. The max profit is $1500. 

However, you also have a credit of $5 when establish both #1 and #2, so, you max profit at stock price of 290 is $15. But you also hold stock, which declined by $10 from 300 to 290. So, at this point, you are fully protected at 290, with an extra $5 from that credit.If you have 100 shares of existing stocks, fully protected at 290.

Now, you will be assigned stock at 290. If stock continue to drop, that $5 credit will protect $2.5 stock price drop You will be assigned 200 shares of stock at 290 at 287.5. I guess my calculation is putting 7.5 (15/2)against the cost of 200 shares of 290 to be assigned, making the cost to be 282.5 per share for the 200 shares, not protecting the existing shares. Same $1500 cost reduction here. Just explained differently. 

What I am saying here is that the cost reduction you get from the premium of selling the puts only is more than the $15. From what I see from APP, if price drop to 465 (the short put strike price) at expiration, the max profit is 28.9($15 spread + 13.9 credit received (41.6 premium received - 27.7 premium paid). The 100 shares of existing shares are protected at 465, with remaining 13.9 credit to be assigned to the 200 shares of 465, making the cost 458.05 (465-13.9/2). However, if selling put only, the premium collected is 41.6 . Using $15 for hedging the exising 100 shares, the remaining of 26.6 credit to the 200 shares of 465 to be assigned, making the cost 451.7 (465-26.6/2). You can see that selling put actually hedge better than the put ratio spread. Both can hedge existing shares, but for the newly assigned shares, selling puts only has a lower cost. 

Did I confuse you even further? :)

Pretty straightforward

 

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Sorry, you logic is very confused. Can't help further :) -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:30:22

Try last time (put the facts here so we are on the same page -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (675 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:41:26

you are confused about "selling 2 puts" -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (560 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:49:07

舉個極端的例子,即使APP掉到100,480-465(1:1)的組合任然有$15的價值,所以這個465是永遠不會被買進的 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:00:58

這樣的話,永遠隻能賺這$15 max profit. 我是在比較max profit. 也就是哪邊hedge 的最大化呀 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (91 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:11:14

再給你舉個極端的例子,你可以賣100 張465的Put contact,那豈不是max profit1更多? -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:14:54

因為put ratio spread 就是賣2張put呀,所以也用2 張put 在selling put only上。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (692 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:36:57

I gave up :) -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:41

Sorry for taking up so much of your time! Feel bad。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:41:13

After dinner, I relooked at your posts. I think I've got it -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (532 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 20:35:20

要係統的學呀,這樣操作太危險 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:15:54

唉,學藝不精見笑,目前先不做這個交易了。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (167 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:39

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