My explanation

本帖於 2025-02-18 14:45:44 時間, 由普通用戶 aloevera 編輯

I was away for lunch and just came back. Thank you very much for putting together such an incredibly detailed explanation to me.  Appreciate it a lot!  Would you tell me why your breakeven for the ratio put spread is 275 instead of 290-(5+2.5)=282.5. I thought each of the two puts has to share the credit and the spread if assigned.

I guess the main reason I asked the topic question is how to obtain the stocks at a lower cost instead of pretecting any existing shares. That is why I only look at the breakeven point for the options, not the stocks. Either you protect the stocks or buying the stock at a lower cost when assigned the shares. You cannot have both. 

If hedging the stocks is in the thinking process, you are right. It protects the stock for 12.5, but in reality the premium to be paid on the long put is so much higher than the spread, you ended up actually not protecting as much as just selling the put with the premium.

For the real case I looked at today, the promium is almost doubling the spread for APP. For example for APP 465-480 case, 465 put premium is 20.8, 480 put premium is 27.7, you receive 13.9 credit. If stock drops to 465, the breakeven point of the option is 465-(15+13.9)=436.1 using your calculation (Howver I use 465-(15/2+13.9/2)=450.55 for each put to be assigned). But if you sell put option only, the breakeven point is 444.2 (480-20.8), which is lower than the cost of 450.55 to buy the stocks for the put ratio spread. My point is the premium paid is much more than the spread, which makes the trade not worthwhile.  If protecting the shares is in consideration, if the stock drops to 465, you still only have $21.95 (15+13.9/2) to hedge against the shares, but if you sell put options you have $27.7 to hedge against the shares.

Please do not hesitate to point out where I am wrong in the thinking. Thanks a lot!

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You calculation is not correct, I haven' looked APP -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (144 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:37:48

Try to think it in a simple way which might help u -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (919 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 14:43:37

Let me put it into a example -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (3992 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:25:43

Sorry, you logic is very confused. Can't help further :) -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:30:22

Try last time (put the facts here so we are on the same page -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (675 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:41:26

you are confused about "selling 2 puts" -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (560 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:49:07

舉個極端的例子,即使APP掉到100,480-465(1:1)的組合任然有$15的價值,所以這個465是永遠不會被買進的 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:00:58

這樣的話,永遠隻能賺這$15 max profit. 我是在比較max profit. 也就是哪邊hedge 的最大化呀 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (91 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:11:14

再給你舉個極端的例子,你可以賣100 張465的Put contact,那豈不是max profit1更多? -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:14:54

因為put ratio spread 就是賣2張put呀,所以也用2 張put 在selling put only上。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (692 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:36:57

I gave up :) -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:41

Sorry for taking up so much of your time! Feel bad。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:41:13

After dinner, I relooked at your posts. I think I've got it -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (532 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 20:35:20

要係統的學呀,這樣操作太危險 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:15:54

唉,學藝不精見笑,目前先不做這個交易了。 -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (167 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 16:39:39

I just looked at your APP -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (239 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:04:25

The premium of 20.8 is for selling put at 465 not at 480. -aloevera- 給 aloevera 發送悄悄話 (44 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:30:31

ok, in this case, breakeven is (465- 20.8 + 480) / 2 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 02/18/2025 postreply 15:33:33

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