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傑尚卡爾博士嚴厲批評喬治·索羅斯對印度政府的言論
Dr S Jaishankar Takes George Soros to the Cleaners for his Remarks against India's Government
2023年2月18日 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SjWWiv3iE8
德雷辛博士，您的很多評論都集中在民主、促進民主和不同形式的民主上，我們偶爾會看到一些關於印度民主遭到破壞的評論，最近一次是在 BBC 的背景下，就在昨天的慕尼黑安全會議上，喬治·索羅斯談到了許多問題，但具體來說是開放和封閉的社會，並呼籲印度進行體製改革，作為印度外交部長，當您與四方部長以及其他人打交道時，您如何解釋這一點，嗯，我實際上提出了兩點，第一，世界正在發生變化，它正在重新平衡，它不再是歐洲大西洋，我認為並不是每個人都明白這一點，我認為舊習難改，我一直非常坦率，嗯，世界上仍然有人認為他們的定義、他們的偏好、他們的濫用必須淩駕於其他一切之上，所以既然你提到了這個具體的例子我不知道大家對慕尼黑會議上說的話有多熟悉，索羅斯先生說印度是一個民主國家，但他不認為印度總理是民主黨人，順便說一句，幾年前，在同一次會議上，我當時也在場，他實際上指責我們計劃剝奪數百萬穆斯林的公民身份，當然這並沒有發生，這是一個荒謬的建議，但你必須明白這實際上意味著什麽，我可以認為，所討論的個人索羅斯先生是一個坐在紐約的老富人，他仍然認為他的觀點應該決定整個世界現在如何運作，如果我隻能停留在老富人和老富人固執己見，我會把它收起來，但他的老富人固執己見和危險，你知道，因為發生的事情是，當這樣的人、這樣的觀點和這樣的組織實際上投入資源來塑造敘事時，你知道，我談到了全球化，現在全球化做了什麽它實際上創造了許多全球化的無縫性，創造了所有機會，也允許你了解敘事被塑造，讓資金流入，你知道基金會，現在在這個特定案例中，我的意思是，很明顯他有非常強烈的政治偏好，他實際上認為，我的意思是，這是一個擁有 14 億人口的國家，我們幾乎已經到了那個地步，誰的選民決定這個國家應該如何運作，他實際上認為，如果你知道，我再次引用他作為一個極端的例子，好吧，但是在不同的國家還有其他表現，像他這樣的人認為，如果我們希望看到的人獲勝，選舉就是好的，如果選舉產生了不同的結果，那麽我們實際上會說這是一個有缺陷的民主，你知道這一點，而美妙之處在於，所有這些都是在倡導開放、透明的社會等的幌子下完成的，所以，我們這一代人是在政權更迭等概念的熏陶下長大的，這些概念影響著現在的運作，你可以稱之為我的意思是，對我來說，這看起來真的一樣，隻是帶有某種佛教的色彩，所以對我來說，今天我們有必要就民主進行嚴肅的對話，你知道，當我審視自己的民主時，我的意思是，今天我有一個前所未有的選舉結果，這是決定性的選舉過程，沒有受到質疑，我們不是那種選舉後有人去法庭仲裁的國家，好吧，我們也沒有任何懸而未決的談話，你知道你實際上在哪裏說，我將坐在審判席上，現在我對民主的感覺是，水應該決定一切，這讓我們感到擔憂，因為我們是一個經曆過殖民主義的國家，我們知道當外部幹涉你的政治時會發生什麽危險，如果你做這種恐嚇販子，比如數百萬人將被剝奪公民權，這實際上會對社會結構造成真正的損害，因為外麵有人相信你，有人相信你，而你不相信順便說一下，把它留給意外吧，你用一個操作來支持它，這樣你就創造了那種純粹的精神錯亂，然後你用它來驗證你最初的判斷，所以，我認為今天你知道誰的民主誰的全球化呃為什麽你知道全球進程如何運作的透明度這些都是需要討論的真正問題
Dr S Jaishankar Takes George Soros to the Cleaners for his Remarks against India's Government
2023年2月18日 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SjWWiv3iE8
Dr dresching you a lot of your commentary was focused on democracy and furthering democracy and different forms of democracy there are occasional comments that we see on the undermining of democracy in India most recently in the context of the BBC and just yesterday at the Munich security conference George Soros spoke on many issues but specifically on open and close societies and called on institutional reform in India how do you as foreign minister of India explain this when you're dealing with your quad
ministers in particular as well as others well uh look uh I I actually made two points one how the world is changing it is rebalancing it is less Euro Atlantic I don't think everybody gets that I think old habits die hard I've been very candidly uh there are there are still people in the world who believe that their definition their preferences their abuse must override everything else
so since you mentioned this specific
example I I don't know how familiar
people are with what was said at the
Munich conference essentially Mr sorrow
said India is a democratic country but
he doesn't think the prime minister of
India is a Democrat and by the way a few years ago in the
same conference I was there at that time
he actually accused us of planning to
strip millions of Muslims of their
citizenship which of course didn't
happen it was a ridiculous suggestion
but you have to understand what this
actually means ah I could take a view that the
individual in question Mr Soros is a old Rich opinionated person sitting in New York who still thinks that his views
should determine how the entire world
works now if I could only stop at Old rich and
opinionated I would put it away
but his old Rich opinionated and
dangerous you know because what happens is when
such people and such views and such
organizations they actually invest
resources in shaping narratives you know
I I spoke about globalization now what globalization does is it actually creates a lot of the seamlessness of globalization which creates all the opportunities also allows you know narratives to be shaped money to come in uh you know foundations uh to go about their their agenda now in this particular case I mean it is very clear that he has very strong political preferences he actually
thinks that I mean doesn't matter that this is a country of 1.4 billion people we are almost there who whose voters decide how the country should run he actually thinks well if you know and and again I cite him as an extreme example okay but it's it's there are other you know manifestations of this in in different countries where people like him think uh an election is good if the person we want to see wins if the election throws up a different uh outcome then we actually will say it's a flawed democracy ah and you know this to my and and the beauty is all this is done under the pretense of advocacy of open open Society of transparency Etc so uh Our Generation we have grown up with Concepts like regime change which influence operations now you can call it what you will I mean to me this really looks the same with a gloss of some kind of do Buddhism on it so for me it's actually necessary today that you have we have today a serious conversation on Democracy you know I I when I look at my own democracy I mean I have today a water turnout which is unprecedented uh electoral outcomes which are decisive electoral processes which are not
questioned we are not one of those countries where after the election somebody goes to arbitrate in court okay we don't have any hanging chats either and you know where you actually say uh I will sit in judgment over the verdict about us now my sense of democracy is the water is supposed to decide and it worries us it worries us because look we are a country which went through colonialism we know the dangers of what happens when there is outside interference in whatever guys in your politics if if you do this kind of scare mongering like millions of people will be deprived of citizenship it actually does real damage to a societal fabric because somebody out there believes you and somebody and you don't leave it to accident by the way you back it up with an operation so you create that kind of pure psychosis and then you use that to validate your original judgment so I I do think today between you know what whose democracy who's globalization uh why you know the transparency of how Global processes work these are real issues which need to be debated
