the reason we've moved so far that way I blame conservative cowardice we have not had conservative politicians prepared to stand up and take the abuse and believe you me the levels of abuse you get now from the well-funded organized left are of a different magnitude to anything we've seen before in policy I know called the leader of Reform UK Nigel farage
well I'm Bob Henderson I'm The Nomad dad delighted to have Nigel farage with me today welcome to koala Lampur thank you good to be here isn't this a wonderful place extraordinary um I mean one of the things of course that's going on in the world is this massive transfer of power money and influence that's going from the West to the East and boy don't you see it here yeah don't you see it here
and of course just down the road Singapore um it just just remarkable the
speed and pace of which these places are developing well as we were talking earlier it wasn't that long ago so we're roughly 60 years in Singapore kicked out of the uh Malay Foundation I'm going to be talking at Nomad capitalist live 2024 about uh Andrew being 40 years old this year and 40 years ago Singapore is on the ascent and now they're the most free place economically on the face of the Earth in a relatively short period of time Andrews talked about Malaysia in
1984 the year of his birth being a Backwater you come here now it's no
Backwater what the funny thing about Singapore is you know there was this campaign for Singaporean Independence and and and and I think you know the Malay has got a bit tired of it all and anyway but one of the funny things is
the big argument against Singapore becoming independent is it wasn't big enough it wasn't strong enough it couldn't possibly survive so it won't surprise you to know that during the brexit campaign I use Singapore as an example interesting you look at these countries and why they're doing so well and I think there are two standout reasons one is education and the right sort of education for the world living in the 21st century by which I mean a big emphasis on science mathematics engineering those kind of things so St absolutely yes absolutely um and the second is culture work culture we've got a a new
2... Dying Work Culture in the West
business secretary in Britain chat called Reynolds and um by the way he's never
had a job never had a proper job I mean you know trained as a lawyer didn't practice as a lawyer uh worked in you know MP's back offices career politician and he says he wants to end the culture of presenteeism meaning you don't need to turn up to the office I mean you can surely you know work at home and and and and we have a a something for nothing culture you know if you're young you can choose to just not work and take a bit of money off the government and smoke
drugs and that's fine absolutely great you know and and and where's the ambition where's the where's the drive where's the desire to get on and that's what I see in the East the East and the Far East is I see and my son lives out here you know he's moved out here for he lives in Singapore he he lives in Hong Kong in Hong Kong um and he's chosen to go there all right it's a bit repressive
politically um but but he's come because he wants to get on he wants to do well
he doesn't want to be taxed at some ludicrous rate which which that many young Professionals in Britain fall into but it's this work culture and we're losing it in the west and you know welfarism we're seeing in America too welfarism which was designed in a civilized society to help those that were falling down and and couldn't help themselves has now become a glass ceiling on aspiration where you finish up uh you finish up actually being penalized if you get off benefits and go back to to work so so your tax rate might be over 100% at that point that's
right and and and and so I think one of the reasons places let this do well the right education and as say work culture and ambition so let's talk briefly about the fact that well we'll say kids and I
3... AI and the Future of Work
don't want to just pick on the kids uh because ultimately it wouldn't have happened I don't think if the older Generations wouldn't have permitted it but that's another story so let's talk about AI for a moment I can't say that I truly understand it but if we had Ai and all these jobs passed uh you know went
away MH well isn't that maybe what they're getting us ready for in terms of Ubi
handing out money what is your view where are we going with this it's possible but we've had a whole series of technological changes since the birth of man you know and you think about over the last few centuries about new industrial techniques are developed and that means there are fewer workers needed and does it mean no one's ever going to find any jobs and and actually that gets replaced by something else and you know the coal mines all close in England in the 80s and are these men ever going to do work again and yet suddenly you know there are new service Industries other things that crop up and I I feel the same about AI I mean there are certain there are certain jobs that are doomed I mean take journalism you know say you have a I don't know a newspaper or TV company that's run it's got a 100 members of Staff in the room with AI they can do it with five or do it with 10 I mean and and I've literally watched this work I've watched put a news story into an AI system ask it to produce this result or that result ask it to be geographically relevant to one area or another and your basic uh your basic hack doesn't have a future but there'll still be room for opinion
there'll still be room for reflection um but but and it's the same with drive as cars I mean think of the number of people that earn a living driving buses driving trains driving cars um you know it's possible that driverless cars replace all those people but something else comes along so is this a form of creative destruction yeah
I think it probably is I think it probably is so I'm not going to get too hung up I'm not going to get too depressed about this uh because we've already in this conversation talked about worklessness and how awful worklessness is for people psychologically they kind of just lose the will to live they lose their sense of purpose I mean it's funny you know we are identified if you think about it by what we are absolutely we need an identity and if we don't have an identity we become far less productive as human beings so no I think I think what we'll find is displacement through AI but I think other forms of work will come along
4... Was Brexit Worth It?
well the question probably on a lot of people's minds is this turn the clock back to 2016 if you had to do brexit all over again MH would you still do it well turn the clock back to 1993 when half our audience wasn't even here that I know I know because that's when it started uhuh that was when the obsession started that was when the madness began with me no that was when I decided I got to make a stand I've got to do something you know and what I was fighting against we now know is globalism it was this idea that you give up control of your life you give up control of the levers over your life and and that really is what national sovereignty is you know National sovereignty is the idea certainly the Western idea that through your vote you could influence the people directly in charge of your life the people in charge of interest rates the people in charge of tax rates the people in charge of the rules and regulations by which we have to live socially and commercially and so I was opposed to the transference of that not just to a foreign power but to a foreign bureaucracy so yeah 1993 to 2016 without
ever stopping I never took a break I never took any time away I just kept
plugging away I don't believe it can ever be wrong to have freedom and whether that's individual Freedom whether it's freedom for your family uh whether it's freedom for your country to make decisions that must always be the right thing to do uh what I regret is that the British political establishment didn't want this result to happen never accepted the result never saw it for a minute as an opportunity but as a damaged Liberation exercise there are some things we've done that are good I think the orcus deal is a very good deal and that's the deal with us the Americans the Australians the Australians had these absolutely useless out ofd French diesel powered submarines and they're going to be replaced by nuclear submarines which means they can stay submerged which means it's much more difficult for the Chinese Navy to spot where they are and what they're doing that's an example in foreign policy terms of something we couldn't have done as a member of the European Union because we've had to you know we' had to
shown solidarity to our friendly friends for their outdated technology but in terms of controlling borders in terms of immigration being selective in that you think immigration is a good thing but you need the right people to come uh that are going to bring a positive benefit integrate um then we failed dramatically but the other big failure is I think everybody that's an entrepreneur and I apply the term entrepreneur to taxi drivers to people running Soul traders to um computer techs who probably can work from home uh you know all the way through I think everyone thought that being away from the grip of corporate law which is what Brussels is all about it's all about big multinationals setting the rules for their own industry I think everyone thought maybe their lives would get a little bit easier and in fact they probably got worse so to that extent many people feel brexit's been betrayed I would say it's been delayed we're still going to get those freedoms but not just yet you bring up immigration this is a huge issue in the
5.. Immigration Policy and Politics in the West
west as I look at Europe I see what are deemed far right parties oh we're all
far right unless we're because you don't because you don't agree with the establishment but let's say right of Center parties yeah the 20 years ago would have been agreed with by The Establishment at least in the US but now immigration has run a mock yet the left leftist governments are still pretty much in charge throughout most of the West how does this work when it's it's so obviously a problem to the citizenry of these countries and I talk about Sweden recently or or or the Germans uh the French to some extent your own country I think it's a huge issue in the United States uh 10 million in the last uh four years so so why isn't the left party stay in charge when everybody's against this sort of thing there a large plurality well you I mean America is the worst example of all
because it's 10 million that are AC cross the border it's not even legal immigration it's illegal immigration yes uh that America seems to be accepting do you know Eisenhower when he was president deported a million people who'd come illegally that was no problem then because you know if you wanted to go to America you had to go through the hoops and do the thing properly and do the thing legally um and it's a miracle to me it's a miracle to me but the Dems are still neck and neck with the Republicans as we run up to November the 5th now I think what you're seeing in Europe is much more fundamental than perhaps you analyze um I think the I think the penny is dropping in European countries that the mass importation of cultures that in some cases are diametrically opposed to what we would consider to be modern Western values and that means in particular attitudes towards women I think that's the really big one Sweden's the poster child for well absolutely um and I think these new right-wing passes center right passes many of whom as you quite rightly say wouldn't have been considered to be rightwing at all 20 years ago it would have been mainstream conservatism But but so far has the center of gravity of debate shifted to the left um and this is
6... The "Virus of Marxism" and "Conservative Cowardice"
because of two things one it's the virus of Marxism and the virus of Marxism
mutates and comes back every 20 or 30 years in different ways um it used to be about class and money you know the Zars got you know all these wonderful palaces and we must you know tear down the regime and now they use
race now they use race just as they used to use um class and so avowedly Marxist
organizations that wish to destroy everything the West stands for such as black lives matter are lorded by the New York Times by CNN um as if somehow these are wonderful wonderful organizations promoting Harmony and peace when actually all they're doing is promoting Division and I think the problem with all of this is that that aligned to the kind of pylons that you get on social media I think the reason we've moved so far that way I blame conservative cowardice we have not had conservative politicians prepared to stand up and take the abuse and believe you me the levels of abuse you get now from the well-funded organized left are of a different magnitude to anything we've seen before in politics and the
abuse comes with threats and intimidation as well physical threats and intimidation I know more about this I've been attacked so many times over and over and over um you know people throwing drinks in your face stuff like that and some of it some of it you've seen on television most of it you haven't yeah most of it you haven't som so so I think what's happening is the public are waking up to the fact that
7... 2027 French Election Prediction and Political Shift in Europe
actually this Clash of cultures is really very bad news and I think you're going to see very big change I think Marine Le Pen will become president of France in 2027 I have little doubt that will happen if you look at Georgia Maloney who's the prime minister of of Italy when she was elected the global press had the
screaming abdabs but actually what she done very decent very respectable you don't hear about her anymore well that's right because she's doing a good job you're absolutely right uh in in um in Hungary you have a very conservative leader in the shape of Victor Orban who gets reelected Time After Time After Time I mean he gets 50% of the vote in a multi-party system it's it's quite extraordinary totally extraordinary um our labor government by the way only got 34% of the vote and yet they have a big majority under our system isn't that amazing so many prime ministers around the world on 34 35% and
they're in power yeah well it all depends on electoral systems you know um
the American system is the oldfashioned absolutist two parties win or take all
and yeah you get you know Liberty Arian stands and a green stands but you basically become American president on 48% of the vote yeah and 270 electoral vote yeah and that's the way it's been for a very very long time so now I think that the political shift uh that is taking place in Europe will continue um and I think Italy shows you the way it's going to go let's talk about immigration in a moment I mean
8... Career Politicians, Mass Immigration and Cultural Identity
politicians are politicians excuse me they're there to stay in power um not
anti-establishment like you uh no there were two types of people in politics two very distinct types of people in politics there were those who are in politics to be something and that I think is what you're referring to yes and there were those who are in politics to do something yeah probably the split is about 3 to one I would say that in favor of the latter in favor of the careerists yes you know and and and politics as you know right across the West has increasingly been dominated by people who've had no real life or no big achievements outside of the political why would you want to put up with what you put up with if you're somebody uh with any kind of stature so it's going to get to the lowest common denominator over time yeah it's going that way why do I want my family to go through this the average person's going to say yes they are and it's it's it's it's that it's media intrusion it's it's funny uh people in in elected politics either are on the biggest money they'll ever earn or are taking gigantic cuts to do it you can guess which category I've been in well okay so let's go back and talk about the politicians that want to stay in power forever more is the calculous on the immigration issue we will get more votes by taking the stand we have
taken or is it a little bit more Sinister in that they're really trying to trash the system well Tony Blair won a big electoral victory in 1997 and opened the doors to Legal immigration in a way we'd never seen the likes of and his close advisor said we want to rub the noses of the right in diversity which meant they actually wanted to fundamentally change the character of British nationality through IM immigration they willfully and deliberately set out to do that and this is partly motivated by a kind of self-loathing it's something that George Orwell wrote about in the late 1940s um I don't think it's Unique to Britain either this this idea that you look back at your National History I'm rather being proud of the journey that your forbears were on uh through all of their triumphs and tragedies that they went through we're basically proud of who we are we're proud of our nation we're proud of our fam's role in it warts and all warts and all because of course it wasn't perfect and don't forget we have different moral judgments hey we have different moral judgments today to 20 years ago let alone 200 years ago um and no doubt people will look back on us in 50 years of Barbarians you know I mean that's just the way that it is or you belong to the school of thought that says this is loathsome and what we've seen and it goes back to the start of
the conversation actually about education we have seen the march of the left through the academic institutions both sides of the pond and this has happened to the most remarkable degree kind of University lecturers were always tended to be a bit Lefty but now they tend to be quite Hardley and not taken seriously and
they're now I'm afraid our kids are being poisoned yeah they're being told everything about our past is awful um and this this is you know Mr sorus funds all sorts of organizations that make children doubt the history of the country uh divide children up into making white children think they're oppressors black children think they're victims which by the way is a Dreadful thing to do to kids age seven 8 years old I mean it is abs absolutely truly awful um they even make kids doubt their own sexuality way before these children have even had sexual thoughts or got anywhere near puberty so these are the sick things that have been going on in our societies
9... The Biggest Threat to the West
question is the biggest threat to the West us you know we have met the enemy
and they are us or is it some foreign adversary in the near to medium term
future yeah I've pondered this I've pondered this question but I've pondered this question so long and hard year after year after year and I think the answer is the former I think the biggest enemy is us because it's us it's us losing our sense of who we are us losing our sense of what national identity means us losing our sense of what community means us losing our sense of why family actually is really very very important and shouldn't be underestimated and it's because of that loss in our leaders of of a sort of collective sense of confidence in who we are that has allowed our enemies to become stronger best example best example America had 3,000 troops left in
10... Biggest Foreign Policy Failure in Decades
Afghanistan they were no longer engaged in active combat no American Soldier had been killed for the previous 18 months the Americans and the Brits by the way who prata for population were there in the same numbers took the same losses and spent the same money you know side by side with our American Allies for 20 years and unilaterally unilaterally a weak American leader Joe Biden decides he's going to withdraw the American troops without any thought for Consulting his mates the British well of course he doesn't like us anyway without any thought for the equipment that was there without any thought for how the withdrawal from Kabul from Afghanistan would go I think that's the biggest single foreign policy mistake I've seen made in my lifetime it led to well not just well certainly since Vietnam certainly since Vietnam which the Brits by the way said
no to um one thing Harold Wilson is the labor Prime Minister got right and America Left Behind $85 billion worth of of grade a kit uh there were unnecessary deaths in getting out the Taliban was back in charge within a week and I do not believe that Putin would have invaded Ukraine if he hadn't seen that sense of weakness from the West so we are our own worst enemies or better put there is an enemy within that is that is destroying us suicide of the
11...Death of the West and Generational Shift
West it is the side of the west but I have some hope the hope that I have is
that we're seeing political changes already as we describe those please well with the the political changes we're seeing are as I say Italy where France is going uh and those things are encouraging uh and I think I think the public are ready for a lot more of that change over the course of the next few years and the other interesting thing is this the Millennials are gone they're gone waste of space they don't believe you it's all about work life balance and you know gen Z is different I really interesting the 16 to 24 year olds I'm meeting I'm seeing they're very
different in what way oh wow they're just rejecting all this stuff I mean they not on mass but significant plurality a huge number of young of these young people are saying the hell with that they're challenging what their teachers are telling them um my social media following among them is was absolutely remarkable it was said that one of the primary things that K starma would do early as prime minister is reduced the voting age from 18 to 16 well maybe he better not and now he's decided not to do it because he's worried about farage and he's worried about how these guys so I think there is a generational shift and I'm beginning to see a bit more ambition I'm beginning to see a bit more sense of identity in this younger generation and it's it is that younger generation that is powering
the Leen vote in France it is that younger generation that is powering the the afd and Germany who by the way are a mixed bag I mean genuinely very very mixed bag um so I do see some hope I do see some hope um I also think you know if you take the long historical view there are pendulums that swing back and forth through the centuries the pendulum
12... Reaching "Peak Woke" and Rejection of Woke Culture
is swinging back against ESG investing oh definitely I mean happening in a big big way um I think the but don't you think under the surface they're still practicing some of that just maybe not so blatantly in your face I think it's the other way around really yeah I think when they were professing to be doing it they weren't always doing it it's First Signal yeah yeah I think it's the other way around um it's very interesting I mean Glen Co the biggest mining you know Corporation in the world uh recently asked their London shareholders uh you know you know institutions most ly whether they should sell the Cal Division and the answer came back no keep the Cal division it's the best bit you've got so we're seeing we're seeing change on that we are seeing a change on some of the trans lunacy now look let people let people be what they are there have always been a tiny percentage of people who felt they were in the wrong bodies and we should we should have sympathy for them and love for them all right I genu when you mean that I I really do but but the idea you know that somebody who's been through male puberty and is 6'3 can suddenly put a dress on and say I want to be a swimmer you know against female athletes some of that Madness we're now seeing the pendulum shift and sports are now taking a more responsible attitude so I think there is already I see signs I I I I genuinely believe that we've reached Peak woke I think there is now a little bit more of a shift towards common sense um and I say that not just out of Hope but just witnessing well you're you're seeing the public all the time you're interacting every day yeah yeah so there is a shift going on there is a shift going on now you know there are but are we too far down
13... Islam and Muslim Assimilation in Europe
the rabbit hole well this worries me I mean the embedding of radical
Islam in some of Britain's towns and cities worries me very greatly very greatly um whilst the vast majority of the Muslim population in Britain are integrated their kids play with our kids they want to play soccer or whatever it is and a lot of these Muslim people have done very well and their doctors and their lawyers and that's great uh but we need their help we need their help very badly to stand up absolutely for the culture they absolutely you know um because a worrying 20 25% of young Muslim men living in Britain I think J has an accept is an acceptable concept uh that worries me very very greatly uh that is a problem that Sweden Britain Germany France uh we're going to face that for decades to come that is not a problem that can change overnight that is not a simple swing of the pendulum so that concerns me very deeply uh many of the other malayas um I think can be fought um although economically economically you do wonder
14... Gold Price and Major Financial Shock Coming
you do Wonder with you know ratios of of of of debt GDP well over 100 yeah I I
mean we we we've just gone through a 100 yeah well and I the only thing I'll push back on I mean I agree with you it's a major concern of mine but look at Japan they 250% of GDP have been for years and they're still around yeah well maybe you know maybe we're wrong maybe you can just live like this forever but I don't think you can why don't we abolish taxes and just print money and the government has everything they need and I'm deadly serious about that if we can print what we need why do we have to pay taxes modern monetary modern monetary Theory yeah cobblers I I just don't believe any of no I think it's ridiculous but so far nothing bad's happened well 2008 you know was a was a very big wake up cool you mean with the uh great financial crash yeah absolutely and another one's coming I don't know when it's going to be yeah look I tell you what I think the gold price is telling us that tells you everything as I'm tell people Bob they'll say Bob aren't you a little bit too gloomy all right I'll put aside for a moment everything that I read in the news it's very political sometimes people either agree or disagree and sometimes vehemently so I'll say consider the price of gold I look at that it's apolitical yeah tells me something is wrong I agree totally I've been saying this for a year or more um it's it's actually quite it's funny isn't it really when you look at gold I think it still looks cheap yeah no I do I'm being serious well if if the west back on the west again because as you pointed out earlier the wealth the influence the PO is moving from west to east y so is the gold bind yeah the westerners are complacent they're not buying gold if they ever do the thing's going to go parabolic yeah well of course been you know our Gordon Brown um you know who subscribed to the view that gold was a barbarous relic sold 400 metric tons of gold that at what price 258 two and he announced to the world how much he was selling and on what dates he'd sell it that was in the late '90s and you can't believe it yeah so the gold price tells me there's a major Financial shock well well it's geopolitical probably but it's I have to believe it's mostly Financial it's coming and when it does come that will then accelerate the pace of political change of all the change the only worry I have and I should I'm going to talk about this later on today is whilst we are
15... Big State Conservatism vs. Free Markets and Entrepreneurship
seeing a move towards conservatism across Europe they're all big state
conservatives same in the US I think they're big state I never hear the right
leaning parties in your country or in the US talk about the free market
anymore that concerns me yeah well that's where we're different that's where reform is different because we believe in entrepreneurship we believe in entrepreneurship and we hate the fact we hate the fact that Global corporations are now more powerful than governments they influence governments they influence legislation to the most incredible degree and the more the rule book suits the big guys the less it suits the little guys and I genuinely think that real economic growth which by the way the West has hardly any of no hardly any if it wasn't if it wasn't for the current account deficit there wouldn't be any growth at all well the only reason we have growth in the US this year is they have a $2 trillion def to keep it a exactly exactly so I do believe in entrepreneurship I do think the state is way too big um and and that kind of makes me stand out against the other conservative type politicians across Europe culturally I you know I'm with them economically I have a different vision isn't it interesting I'm a little bit older than you are but in my generation
16... Political Realignment in the US and Europe
when I was coming of age the left detested the major corporations and they
were all for free speech today 50 years later they're voting for the party that
Embraces the multinational corporations and wants to censor speech at every turn oh yes how does that I know I know and your middle or middle upper class person that would have been conservative is now probably quite a radical green liberal and your working class geizer who would would have been labor is now on the right yeah the coal miners are voting for uh the center right parties they they are they and and interestingly the old coal mining communities are socially the most conservative they're the strongest Believers in family in community they understand the role of the church what it plays with so yeah things have changed in the most remarkable way I don't want to spend too much time on this but you brought it up quickly the role of the church it seems to be diminishing in the west does does
17... Role of Religion in the West and Environmentalism
that have something to do about all the problems we're talking about whatever your religious conviction what is absolutely a fact is that it is judeo-christian
culture and values that have underpinned everything the West has stood for for 2,000 years you know the Ten Commandments well if you think about it you know the Ten Commandments still underpin pretty much everything that we built and we believe in um and it's as if people are ashamed to stand up and say ashamed kind of we need to put this to the back and I think I think we've become pretty irreligious pretty Godless um I think cultural Christianity is vital I think you know believe what you want to believe individually but understand why this matters and there is a new religion that's explain fling it's called global warming it's called the belief in Net Zero it's called the we mustn't produce oil anymore it's and this honestly this has become a fundamental belief system for a growing number of people uh especially young people but not holy well and the and the more welltoo in the United States I saw a poll this year that showed that the people with uh postgraduate deges who are so diametrically opposed to the middle class are all for shutting down airplane rides uh shutting down anything that has to do with oil and I would think that ultimately their economic well-being is more at risk because without those things how can you have a growing economy so it has to be something other than the economy it appears that to your point it's probably some sort of zealotry uh call it a Pagan religion if you want to but it is actually if you think about it very Pagan yeah uh no no and I mean they are oblivious to the fact that here we are in Malaysia I mean where what's powering all these lights Cole yes coal and they had to bring it back in Germany too because the other stuff wouldn't work and in Germany's case lignite which really is quite a polluting sulfurous coal um the Chinese build a few wind turbines to make us all feel happy but actually are opening 60 to 80 every year brand new cold fire power stations every year Modi who was just reelected in India just about reelected in India one of his boasts in the election campaign is this year we produced a billion tons of coal do you know in 2024 this this statistic is amazing in 2024 the world will burn 8 billion tons of coal where is that stack up his story you just can't get is that the most ever it's the record yeah the record whilst the West says oh aren't we lovely we yeah so so look you know do do do we are we concerned about the environment and our air and our seas and what we leave our kids of course we are of course we are but what is being done in the name of achieving low carbon Net Zero is absolutely catastrophic for the west and no country has suffered it worse than mine we have reduced carbon dioxide emissions by 50% since 1990 do you know how we've done it by closing everything in the last two week the last two weeks we've had the major steel Works in South Wales close and the firm announced those jobs are going to India we've had the largest refinery in Britain announced it's going to close we've had a new anthracite mine refused permission to open and it looks like the North Sea could close down with a loss of a quarter million jobs for for oil to reduce our carbon emissions to show the world what level people we well so who would be opposed to cleaner energy I can't imagine anybody would be so I don't know it's 2050 the year is it 2060 or 2075 the Renewables I mean we we're not anywhere near the point where we can run an economy on this no why don't we let the free market work my view is and I have no idea what the solution is at this point but if we let the free market work somewhere could be the us could be Great Britain could be somewhere in Asia maybe we'll make some sort of a discovery I mean after all 40 years ago whoever envisioned the internet and look at how that's changed because that was somebody uh that was uh given uh some sort of incentive to produce something that made lives better can't we come up with something uh so that we don't have to have these Draconian points of view as to you know getting rid of the internal combustion engine before we have anything to replace it For Heaven's Sake yeah it's I mean listen without subsidy Renewables wouldn't exist well of course not you know that's what's been funding this all the way through that is what the Biden So-Cal well jenet y said it's $78 trillion uh we're going to have to throw 78 trillion at it over the next 30 Years yeah we don't have 78 trillion and also for a form of intermittent energy that's the problem it's it's the intermittency that is the problem we haven't solved the battery problem it doesn't exist without vast government subsidies and all the evidence is it leads to Consumers having higher prices yeah so I agree with you I mean I'm not against it if it works and the free market can make this work that's just fantastic I'd be wonderful I'd be over the moon if that's the case but it just sadly isn't I think we're out of time that's a ball we could go on that's a ball Nigel farage thank you so much as thank you.
