尼爾·布什 美國政治精神病 中國發展道路好

尼爾·布什 美國政治精神病 中國發展道路好

尼爾·布什：中國的發展道路非常適合中國

中國日報網 2024-10-09

中國日報網10月9日電 近日，喬治·布什美中關係基金會創始人及主席尼爾·布什在接受CGTN采訪時表示，通過自己在過去幾十年間的訪華經曆，他得出了讓一些美國人無法忍受的結論：中國的發展道路非常適合中國。

尼爾·布什是美國前總統老布什的第三個兒子。過去 50 年，尼爾曾經150次來到中國，他總結說：“中國的體製對中國來說是行之有效的，大多數美國人可能甚至無法容忍我這麽說，中國的體製讓數億人受益。”

尼爾表示，近期中美關係之所以處於低點，原因很簡單，中國正在崛起，而美國政客編造了偏執的“虛假敘事” 。

哈佛大學某位教授在其《注定一戰》書中研究了 16 個曆史案例，認為崛起大國與老牌強國之所以會爆發戰爭，是因為老牌強國感到了崛起大國帶來的威脅，在過去 600 年中，這 16 個案例中有 12 個以戰爭告終。

美國一些政客隨之編造了謊言，說崛起大國想要接管世界，成為地球上最強大的力量，或者崛起大國將接管美國經濟……諸如此類的虛假言論。

尼爾表示，類似的虛假言論被廣泛散布，他並不相信中國的崛起會對美國構成威脅，如果更多的美國人可以來到中國看看，就會自己做出判斷，而不必聽信美國政治精英的宣傳和煽動，把中國描繪成某種魔鬼。

尼爾認為，中國對美國沒有敵意，而是美國自己把中國變成了敵人。

世界各國都會加強國防。隨著中國的不斷發展，其軍事實力顯然也會隨之增強。因而有人擔憂中國“是否有可能以某種敵對方式針對美國”，尼爾認為這根本不是中國的意圖。

尼爾強調，他的父親從不認為中國是美國的敵人，“如果你這樣對待朋友，最終可能會把朋友變成敵人，但如果我們最終卷入某種衝突，這對兩國和世界來說都是毀滅性的。”

最後，尼爾表示，加強與中國的貿易實際上非常健康，對美國消費者有利，對美國有利，中美將實現雙贏。美國人民最終會認識到中國不是所謂的“壞人”。 

尼爾·布什：美國正處於一個瘋狂的時代，他對中國的看法令人震驚 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KsVuYnbf_Y&t=103s 2024年10月25日 喬治·布什美中關係基金會創始人及主席。美國前總統老布什第3子，小布什弟弟，從事銀行、石油、貿易等行業。在接受中國記者采訪時，他對美國大選、中美關係和美國對中國的認知發表了自己的觀點是的，不幸的是，美國的政治已經變得非常黑白分明，分裂，他贏了，我們輸了，所以有人擔心，因為中國的崛起，我們會以某種方式改變，或者以某種方式改變，無論如何我們生活在其中在美國的瘋狂時光，我隻是與你分享一件事，就像我們幾天前剛剛去過我們，你做到了是的，我在紐約，我環顧四周是否有一輛中國汽車，但不幸的是我沒有看到任何中國電動車都會很難中國汽車公司在美國站穩腳跟，特別是如果唐納德·特朗普當選總統，他堅持對中國汽車征收關稅，即使是在墨西哥生產的汽車，不是中國製造的，而是在墨西哥生產的，關稅也將達到 100%所以他害怕中國人與中國人的競爭，所以很難想象中國汽車會進入美國市場，順便說一句，我的看法是關稅
傷害了美國消費者，我 100% 有信心中國人製造的新能源汽車是最好的，我參觀過 Cherry 的生產工廠，對那裏的團隊非常了解，我也讀了很多關於比亞迪和其他公司的文章，所以對於美國人而言沒有意識到高質量、合理價格的好處，你知道續航裏程更長的電動汽車或混合動力汽車，這太糟糕了，我，這是不幸的，因為你知道我們共和黨人曾經相信開放獲取，免費你知道開放貿易，隻要是公平貿易，現在我們的共和黨已經被一個關稅官員接管了，是的，特朗普說，如果他贏了，他不僅會對電動汽車征收更多的稅，還會對其他所有好的東西征收更多的稅你認為這會引發與中國的第二次貿易戰嗎？當然，這損害了美國，也損害了中國，所以我對貿易戰不太了解，我不是經濟學家，所以我不確定我會使用貿易戰這個詞，但它會使貿易變得非常困難，嗯，會懲罰這裏的消費者和美國的製造商消費者以及中國的製造商，你知道我發現了什麽，這是選舉中唯一的好消息到目前為止，終於有經濟學家在《紐約時報》和其他出版物上發表關於關稅的專欄文章，他們正確地指出，關稅不是由中國支付的，而是美國消費者認為，隨著價格上漲，他們指出，關稅根本不是特朗普聲稱對美國有利，所以現在他的關稅被揭穿的消息越來越公開，這是令人鼓舞的，所以我們會看看它是否會產生影響，你知道我我絕對不是特朗普的粉絲，因為我認為他的經濟政策對美國非常有害，比哈裏斯更有害，哈裏斯是民主黨人，我在一個共和黨家庭長大，但你知道我支持特朗普我認為這對經濟的影響比哈裏斯更糟，希望哈裏斯能獲勝，就像中美之間的經濟關係是中美關係的壓艙石，現在這種關係似乎受到了傷害，這會如何影響中美關係，我的意思是兩國關係將繼續呈螺旋式上升趨勢，我父親經常說，中美關係是世界上最重要的雙邊關係，他是對的，我父親認識到中國已經成為世界第二大經濟體世界上數億人擺脫貧困，很大程度上得益於我們的雙邊貿易關係，作為一個熱愛自由的美國人，這是值得驕傲的一件大事，因為中國有更多人享受自由。1975 年，我來到這裏，當時正值文化大革命。想象一下，49 年前我第一次來到這裏，今天人們享受著經濟自由，這和現在有什麽不同。當他們達到一定的財富水平時，他們就有自由送孩子上學、旅行和選擇自己想從事的行業，找到令人滿意的工作，因此出現了大規模的自由運動。在共產主義中國，這個詞可能比較敏感，但對我來說，這是一項了不起的成就，我們應該為此感到自豪。另一方麵，美國已經成為世界上最大的經濟體，國內生產總值最高，人均國內生產總值最高。按人均計算，我們的經濟規模遠高於中國，這在很大程度上是因為全球化，而我們在全球化中的主要合作夥伴一直是中國，所以我們有一個雙贏n 環境直到最近，中國的崛起才在美國引發了對我們的國家安全和生活方式的真正恐懼，你知道，如果你聽到政客們談論，你知道，就像共產黨人將要出現並接管美國，共產主義這個詞曾經意味著你知道你為冷戰創造了共產主義，共產主義曾經是一種當你想到馬列主義的共產主義時會想到的東西，當今存在的共產主義是一種非常不同的共產主義，它具有市場導向，具有資本主義元素，具有社會主義元素，你知道，在這種共產主義形式下，人民的福祉確實得到了顯著改善，但美國政客們以非常貶義的方式使用這個詞，人們擔心由於中國的崛起，我們會以某種方式改變或改變，你知道這是一種零和遊戲，如果你贏了我們就會輸，好吧，這不是真的，如果你贏了我們贏
如果我們贏了，你也贏了，你知道每個人都贏了，有一種情況是，我們都可以贏，嗯，你像個學者一樣，Thon 剛剛在另一次采訪中告訴我，他說大多數美國人不相信自己會贏，因為在體育運動中，沒有人隻有一個贏家，一個贏家，你怎麽看待這種修辭，我擔心，這種分析在今天是正確的，人們很好地理解了特朗普說，他說你知道他們在贏，我們在輸，談論中國是的，我希望美國有領導人，我的父親是一位領導人，他會向人們解釋關於關係的真相，你可以讓一家公司一個國家發展並實現繁榮，而另一個國家也可以發展並實現繁榮，你也可以擁有雙贏的局麵，是的，不幸的是，美國的政治已經變得非常黑白分明，分裂，你知道他贏了我們輸了，你知道有很多威脅性對話共和黨人說卡瑪拉哈裏斯是共產主義同誌，她會讓我們的經濟陷入深淵，你知道，民主黨或共和黨人說特朗普是一個想要成為獨裁者的人，你知道，他除了自己的自我和自己之外，對其他任何事情都沒有看法，無論如何，我們生活在美國的瘋狂時代，是的，你談論自由和全球化，現在中國很多人認為我們是全球化的領導者，這個想法得到了西方的集體認同，但現在中國是全球化的大力支持者，而美國支持保護主義，你怎麽看這個陳德我最近聽了一個經濟學家的播客，他解釋說，由於美國人口被剝奪了權利，你知道唐納德特朗普正在利用美國許多人被拋在後麵的感覺他們是黑爾家族和富人，富人被誤導，認為因為中國因為全球化搶走了我們的工作，他們的生活被削弱了，他們得不到同樣的待遇，所以整個全球化的概念已經變成了意味著某些東西被從你身上奪走了，有很多美國人過得並不好，因此很容易受到這樣的信息的影響，那就是這是他們的錯，我們要阻止它，我們不會和他們做貿易，或者我們要提高關稅，從他們那裏得到錢，你知道他們的言論試圖利用美國人現在心理上的弱點，那就是很多人受苦，我確實認為收入差距是一個問題，有些人非常貧窮，有些人過得更好，顯然，這在中國可能也是如此，但中國解決這個問題的另一種方式是美國，你知道，你是否認為這是一個國內問題，或者與其指責中國，不如說，這肯定有國內問題的根源，但中國是一個容易的目標，它是一個容易的替罪羊，你知道嗎？我的意思是，兩黨都在對中國進行攻擊和打擊，你看到了瘋狂的中國周，第 25 項法案通過了，是的，我確實認為這很瘋狂，我認為有很多 F，我知道很多研究中國發展和美中關係的學者，他們認為關於中國崛起意圖的錯誤說法，人們擔心中國會取代美國成為全球維和部隊，或具有全球影響力，或者中國會改變我們的生活方式，或者共產主義會滲透到美國政治體係中不管怎樣，從文化角度來說，我們都會改變，你知道，因為虛假的敘述，人們會感到恐懼，不幸的是，你知道，在社交媒體和通信領域，我們擁有自由，我無法想象我們如何才能從真實的新聞中剔除虛假新聞，我不確定美國是否已經接近解決這個問題，是的，但正如你所說，美國是一個自由的國家，為什麽收集這些信息如此困難在一個信息自由流通的國家，關於中國的問題，這就是我要問你的問題，你為什麽認為我不知道，我認為因為我們的自由，人們可以說任何他們想說的話，不管它是真是假，如果你說得足夠多，它就會變成真理，唐納德·特朗普一遍又一遍地說，中國人在為關稅買單，中國人在為關稅買單，我們知道經濟學家都知道，所有有思想的人都知道，美國消費者在為關稅買單，而不是中國，中國正因關稅而受到懲罰，製造業因關稅而受到打擊，這肯定會對中國產生負麵影響，但這些關稅的支付來自美國，但如果你一遍又一遍地說某件事，它就會變成真理，至少沒有辦法糾正這個真理不，你不能揮動魔杖，你不能製定法律或立法，你知道這迫使人們相信那是假的，這是真的，你知道我的意思，是的，人們相信，在美國，許多人相信選舉是一個騙局，是一個欺詐，而且特朗普大獲全勝，他並沒有大獲全勝，這已經明確確立，所有這些州的選舉結果都得到了一個又一個的法庭案件的確認，但特朗普一遍又一遍地說，他的人民相信它，我不，我不明白，在這樣一個時代，我們擁有如此驚人的溝通和透明度，任何人都可以輕鬆獲得信息，嗯，這些虛假的敘述仍然在繼續傳播，而且你無法清理它，我希望有一種方法可以揮動魔杖，中國人民非常好奇，說我們這裏的公平競爭是什麽人們總是在談論公平競爭，我的最後一個問題是，公平競爭是一個有趣的問題，因為我在中國工作了很多年，最近我也在沙特阿拉伯呆了很多時間，我注意到在發展新經濟部門的國家，政府在提供早期資金方麵發揮著重要作用，所以在沙特阿拉伯，他們有一個主權基金，叫做 piff PF，私人投資基金，例如，他們啟動了一個新的汽車製造部門，而 piff 投入了所有的錢來創辦一家名為 sear 的公司，他們投入了最大的一筆資金，也許是所有的錢，用於另一家電動汽車公司，這家公司在美國有製造基地，但正在建設製造業，所以他們正在建立一個完整的行業，引入供應鏈等，把所有這些錢都投入進去，這樣的想法是，在某個時候，汽車業務，汽車製造生態係統將會變得如此之大它將自然地有機增長，無需政府援助，所以政府我的觀點是，主權基金，無論是來自安威省的省級基金，幫助啟動汽車行業或某種高科技企業，或者無論是國家基金，這些投資的基金被美國人和其他人視為不公平貿易的範疇，因為這些汽車公司或其他公司獲得了政府補貼或政府投資資本，以確保它們能夠成功，所以我想問人們的問題是，這真的不公平嗎，還是隻是聰明的做法，我的意思是，我住在一個叫德克薩斯州的州，我們有一個非常美麗的州，非常自由的經濟，我們擁有最大的石油和天然氣資源，我們還有最大的風能和太陽能，我們像沙特阿拉伯一樣擁有豐富的能源，我認為，如果我們是德克薩斯州州長，我會組建一個主權基金，德克薩斯州的一個基金，我會投資於電動汽車製造或混合動力汽車製造等。我並不是長期看好電動汽車，我認為尤其是在美國，我認為續航裏程很長的混合動力汽車更有意義，但我會先播種，然後讓它自己起飛，因為那應該是可以的，我不會認為那是不公平的貿易，我會認為那是明智的貿易，嗯，我確實相信，雖然你知道，直接補貼產品隻是為了打敗海外的價格，當然，在那種直接幹預的情況下，你必須切斷它，嗯，而不是認為那是不公平的，應該全麵公平，所以是的，長期瘋狂，回答是的

尼爾布什：美國正處於一個瘋狂的時代 他對中國的看法讓人震驚

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KsVuYnbf_Y&t=103s
2024年10月25日
喬治.布什美中關係基金會創始人及主席。美國前總統老布什第3子，小布什弟弟，從事銀行、石油、貿易等行業。在接受中國記者采訪時，他對美國大選、中美關係和美國對中國的認知發表了自己的看法

yeah unfortunately the politics in America have become very black and white and divisive and he wins we lose and so there's a fear uh because of China's rise that we're going to be changed
somehow or altered somehow anyway we we live in crazy times in America I just one thing sharing with you is like we we just been to us in a couple days ago and you did yeah I I was
in New York and I looking around whether there's a Chinese car over there but unfortunately I didn't saw any Chinese EV um it's
going to be very hard for Chinese car
companies to establish a strong foothold
in the United States and especially if
Donald Trump is elected president he
insists that the Chinese cars tariffs on
Chinese cars even cars made in Mexico
not made in China but made in Mexico the
tariffs going to be 100% so he's he's
afraid of Chinese of competition with
the Chinese so yeah it's going to be
hard to imagine getting Chinese cars
into the American Market yeah and my
opinion by the way is that the tariffs
hurt American consumers I'm I'm 100%
confident that the Chinese make make the
best new energy Vehicles I've been on a
tour of the Cherry manufacturing plant
in woohoo and know the the the team
there very well and I read a lot of
articles about byd and others um and so
for the Americans not to realize the
benefit of high quality reasonably
priced you know longer range electric
vehicles or hybrid vehicles it's too bad
I it's it's it's it's a you know it's
unfortunate cuz you know we used to
Republicans used to believe in having
you know Open Access having free you
know open trade and so long as it's fair
trade and right now our Republican party
has been taken over by a by a tariff man
yeah and the Trump said that if he wins
he will put much more tar not only on EVS but also other good
everything do you think this will
trigger a second trade war with China of
course it damages the United States and
it damages China so I I don't know about
a trade War I'm not I'm not an economist
so I'm not sure I would use that term
trade War but it would make trade very
difficult and um and would punish
consumers here and manufact consumers in
the United States and manufacturers in
China you know what I what I'm finding
and it's kind of the only good news from
the election so far is that is that
there there are economists finally
speaking out and writing oped pieces in
the New York Times and in other
Publications about the tariffs and the
they point out properly that the tariffs
um aren't paid for by China they're paid
for by the American Consumer that with
Rising prices and they point out that that the
tariffs um are are not at all what Trump
claims in terms of of um you know
benefit to to the United States so the
debunking of his tariffs is becoming
more public now which which is
encouraging so we'll see we'll see if it
has makes an impact you know I'm I'm
definitely not a trump fan because I
think his economic policies are would
would be very harmful to to theit be
more harmful to the United States than
than Harris and Harris is a Democrat and
I was raised in a republican family but
you know I Trump I think it be worse for
the economy than Harris and hopefully
Harris will win like the economy
relation between China and US was the B
ballast of the C us relations and now
this relations seems be hurting and how
will this affect the China us relations
I mean it will continue to to have the
relationship bil relationship spiral my
father often said that the US China
relationship is the most consequential
the most important bilateral
relationship in the world and he was
right U my father recognized that China
has become the second largest economy in
the world lifting hundreds of millions
of people out of poverty in large
measure because of our bilateral trade
ties which is something as a freedom
loving American is is is a great thing
to take great pride in because more
people in China enjoy freedoms I was
here in 1975 during the cultural
revolution imagine the differences from
49 years ago when I first came to today
today when people enjoy economic
Prosperity when they achieve a certain
level of of wealth their the freedoms to
send kids to schools and to travel and
to pick you know businesses you want to
engage in and find work that's
satisfactory goes up so there there's
been a massive movement Freedom Movement
you that may be a sensitive word to be
using in in communist China but to me
it's a remarkable accomplishment that we
should take pride in you know on the
other hand America has become the
largest economy in the world with the
largest GDP with the largest per capita
GDP much larger than China's economy on
a per capita basis and it in large part
was happened because of globalization
and our major partner in globalization
was has been China so we've had a
win-win environment up until recently
China's rise has created real fear in
America about our national security our
way of life you know you if you hear
politicians talk you know it's like the
Communists are going to come up and take
over America and the word communist used
to mean you know you created for the
Cold War you communism used to be kind
of the what you would think of when you
think of malist kind of Communism the
communism that exists today is a very
different it has Market orientation it
has capitalist elements it has socialist
elements has you know the well-being of
people has really improv significantly
under this form of Communism but the
American politicians use the word in a
very derogatory negative way there's a
fear uh because of China's rise that
we're going to be changed somehow or
altered somehow you know it's kind of a
zero sum game if you win we lose well
that's that's not true if you win we win
if if we win you win you know everybody
wins there's a scenario out there where
we both can winh mhm U like a scholar
Thon just told me in another interview
he said that most American people don't
believe wi win because in a sports like
no one only one winner One winner how do
you see this kind of retoric I'm afraid
that that analysis is true today that
people perceive well Trump says it he
says you know they're winning we're
losing in talking about China yeah I
wish there were leaders in America my
father was a leader where he would
explain to the the people the truth
about relationships that you that you could
have you know one company one country
grow and Achieve prosperity and the
other one can grow and Achieve
Prosperity also that you can have
winning scenarios yeah unfor fortunately
the politics in America have become very
you know black and white and divisive
and you know he wins we lose and you
know there's been a lot of threatening
conversation Republicans say that kamla
Harris is a is a communist comrade
Kamala and that she's going to make our
economy go into a deep hole you know and
the Democrat or Republicans say that
Trump is a you know wannabe dictator and
you know he has no no perspective on
anything but his own ego and his own
self anyway we we live in crazy times in
America yeah you talk about freedom and
the globalization for many people here
in China now think actually us was the
leader of globalization and the idea was
shared by the collective West but now
China is a big supporter of
globalization and the US is in favor of
protectionism how do you see this chend
I was recently listened to a podcast
from an economist that explained that
because of the disenfranchised uh population in America
you know there's a Donald Trump is
exploiting a feeling in America among
many many people that they've been left
behind so they're the Hales and the have
knots and the have knots are being led
to believe that because of China's
taking our jobs because of globalization
their lot in life has been weakened
they're not getting the same so the
whole notion of
globalization um has become where it
become to mean something that's been
taken from you and there there are a lot
of people in America that that are not
doing as well and therefore are
vulnerable to a message that says it's
their fault we're going to stop it we're
not going to do trade with them or we're
going to raise tariffs get money from
them you know they're the rhetoric is
trying to play to that weakness um in
the American psyche right now that that
that many people suffer I do think there
is a problem with income disparity there
are some very poor people and there are
some people that are doing better
obviously and that's probably true in
China as well but China has a different
way of addressing it America is is you
know do you believe it's a domestic
problem or rather than blaming China it
definitely has the seeds of it are
domestic but China is an easy um Target
it's an easy uh scapegoat you know what
I mean it's it's so both parties are
piling on and beating up China you saw
the crazy China week 25 bills passed to
against China yeah yeah I do think it's
crazy I think there's a lot of F I know
many scholars who are experts on on
China China's development and us China
relations who believe that the false
narratives about China's intentions as
China Rises there's a fear that China CH
you know will want to take take
America's place in the as a global
Peacekeeper in the world or with global
influence or that China's going to
change our way of life or the communism
is going to slip into the American
political system somehow or culturally
we're going to change you know there
there's there's all these fears because
of false narratives and um unfortunately
you know with the freedom we have in
social media and Communications I can't
imagine how we can you know weed out
fake from real news I I'm not sure that
America has come close to solving the
problem yeah but you as you said America
is a free country why it's so difficult
to gather the truths about China in a
country with FL free flow of information
I that's my question I'm going to ask
you why do you think that I have no idea
I was I think that that because of our
freedoms people can say anything they
want whether it's true or not and if you
say it often enough it becomes truth
Donald Trump has said over and over and
over again that t that the Chinese are
paying for the tariffs the Chinese are
paying for the tariffs we know
economists know everyone who who's got a
who can think for themselves knows that
the American consumers are paying for
the tariffs not China China's is being
punished through tariffs in the
manufacturing is being hit because of
tariffs for sure there's a negative
impact on China but there's a a but the
payment for these tariffs is coming from
America but if you say something over
and over and over again it becomes
truth and there's no way to correct that
truth at least there's no you can't wave
a magic wand you can't make a law or
legislation you know that forces people
to believe that that's false and this is
true you know what I mean yeah people
believe in America many people believe
that the election was was a was a hoax
was a fraud and that there was that that
Trump won big he didn't win big it was
it become clearly established there were
court cases after court case that were
validated the election results in all
these states and yet Trump says it over
and over and over again and his people
believe it I don't I don't understand it
in a day and age where we have such
amazing Communications and transparency
where anybody can get information
easily um still these these false
narratives continue to be propagated and
there's and you can't clean it up I I
wish there was a way to wave that magic
wand people are very curious here in
China saying what is the Fair
competition here us people are always
talking about Fair competition my last
question yeah um Fair competition is an
interesting question because um I've
been doing work here in China for many
years I've also recently been spending a
lot of time in Saudi Arabia and I've
noticed that in countries that are
developing New Economic sectors that the
government plays an important role in
providing um early funding so in Saudi
Arabia they've got a sovereign fund
called piff PF the private investment
fund and they for example started a new
car set automobile Manufacturing sector
and piff put up all the money to start a
company called sear they put up the
biggest chunk maybe all the money uh for
another electric vehicle company that's
got um manufacturing base in the United
States but is building manufacturing so
they're building a whole sector bringing
in supply chain Etc putting all this
money in the idea is that at some point
the car business the car manufacturing
ecosystem will be so big that it will
grow naturally organically without
government Aid so government my my point
is that Sovereign funds whether they're
provincial funds from Anway Province
helping start a car sector or a you know
high-tech business of some kind U or or
whether it's a National Fund those funds
that are invested are perceived by
Americans and by others to be kind of in
the category of unfair trade because
because these car companies or these
other companies were given kind of you
know government subsidies or government
um investment Capital to to ensure that
they would be successful so my question
that I would ask people is it is it
really unfair or is it just smart I mean
I live in a state called Texas we have a
very beautiful state very free economy
we have the largest um you know
petroleum and natural gas resources we
also have the largest wind and Sun where
we we have we're bless like Saudi Arabia
with lots of energy I would think that
if our were governor of Texas I would
form a sovereign fund a state of Texas
fund and I would invest in things like
electric vehicle manufacturing or hybrid
vehicle manufacturing I'm not really a
big believer long-term in electric
vehicles I think especially in America I
think hybrid cars that can get very long
range make more sense but I would I
would seed a build it up and then let it take off on
its own because that's that should be
okay and that I wouldn't consider that
unfair trade I would consider it smart
trade um I do believe though you know
where there's direct subsidy on products
just to beat the price overseas of
course where there's that kind of direct
intervention yes you got to you got to
cut it off and um and not and consider
that unfair and there should be fairness
across the board so yes long crazy
answer yes