中國人擁護共產黨，BBC主播坐不住了

中國學者答“中國人擁護共產黨”，BBC主播坐不住了

發布時間：2022-04-28  作者： 王文 

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中國人民大學重陽金融研究院執行院長王文再次接受英國廣播公司（BBC）著名主持人馬克·厄本的專訪，就疫情是否影響北京運行等問題做了回答，其間馬克多次打斷王文的正麵闡述。 

編者按：4月28日，在就俄烏衝突接受BBC專訪並引起國內外廣泛關注後，中國人民大學重陽金融研究院執行院長王文再次接受英國廣播公司（BBC）著名主持人馬克·厄本的專訪，就疫情是否影響北京運行等問題做了回答，其間馬克多次打斷王文的正麵闡述。該視頻在國內外廣泛傳播。現將視頻現場、對話文字稿展現如下：

以下為BBC直播對話文字稿實錄

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：王文是中國人民大學重陽金融研究院執行院長，他參與過中國政府的谘詢工作，感謝王院長在北京的清晨來節目連線。王文教授，北京會是繼上海、香港和中國其他許多城市之後，進行長期嚴格封鎖的城市嗎?

王文：事實上，你可能過度評估了這一波北京疫情。北京這周才確診100例。過去兩年，北京經曆了至少4波疫情複發，但都很有經驗地度過。當然，奧密克戎更嚴重一些。盡管少數人有抱怨，但絕大多數人都相信政府, 願意配合政府的抗疫政策。現在，北京部分住宅、街道采取了管控措施，每天核酸檢測，但大多數區域仍然是正常！中國城市的抗疫能力越來越強。你知道，中國有14億人，這比整個西方所有30個國家相加還得多，但在中國因新冠病毒死亡的人數卻不到西方的1%。我認為，北京不會被封城。

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：王文教授，你認為中國能繼續實行當前的“清零政策”嗎?

王文：過去兩年，在西方，超過200萬人死於新冠，絕大多數都是窮人和老人。中國“動態清零”政策，本質上看是更有利於保護窮人與老人的生命。中國為保護弱者，不惜犧牲一些經濟增長。這是我的看法。

 

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：如果黨代會不會因為北京疫情而被推遲或中斷，北京封城將是一個艱難的決定?

王文：馬克，你曾當過戰地記者。但你可能不知道，在中國，我們把抗疫比作是一場戰爭。病毒就是我們的敵人。綜合來看，這場戰爭，過去兩年，中國仍是全世界打得最好的國家，保護了人民的生命，向世界出口最多的口罩、醫療機械，貢獻了世界經濟複蘇。至於黨代會，我知道，在西方，總有人對中國共產黨有歪曲……

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：我要打斷一下……

王文：但是，在中國，至於黨代會，你知道，中國人民擁護共產黨，熱愛國家領袖。這是發自內心的。

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：我想問一下……

王文：所以我認為今年秋天，中國共產黨第二十次全國代表大會一定會很成功！

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：我可以接著你作的戰爭類比往下說嗎？確實，我認為很多西方國家會看到中國到目前為止的抗疫曆程，並認為他們在防控疫情方麵非常成功。但我想很多西方人會問的問題是，中國為什麽不利用這段時間來進行大規模的疫苗接種?

王文：其實上，大多數中國人已疫苗接種並很“惜命”，隻是不願意為所謂“自由”而過度冒險。這正是我們對長期的金融、經濟發展有信心的根本原因。西方一些人誤解中國……

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：抱歉……

王文：所以我們應該對中國的未來有信心。

BBC主持人馬克·厄本：非常感謝王文教授參加我們的節目。

以下為英文版

BBC interview

By Wang Wen

BBC presenter Mark Urban：Wang Wen is the Executive Dean of the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies in Beijing, joins us bright and early in the morning there, and an advisor to the Chinese government as well. Welcome to you. Dr. Wang, are we going to see Beijing following Shanghai and Hong Kong and so many other Chinese cities into one of these long strict lockdowns?

Wang Wen: Actually, I think now you may have a little bit overestimated the Beijing’s pandemic, because this week only 100 cases were confirmed in Beijing. In the past two years, Beijing has experienced at least four waves of recurrence of the pandemic, but all of them have been experienced. But we all know that Omicron now is much more serious than before. Although a few people complain, most people believe in the government and willing to cooperate with the government's anti-pandemic policy. Now, some houses and streets in Beijing have taken control measures and test nucleic acid every day, but most areas are still normal! The anti-pandemic ability of Chinese cities is becoming stronger and stronger. You know, China has 1.4 billion people, which is much more than all 30 countries of the west, but in the past two years, the death toll of Covid in China is only less than 1% of that in the West. So, I don't think Beijing will be locked down.

BBC presenter Mark Urban：Dr. Wang, do you think that China can keep going with a Zero Covid policy that it's practiced up to now?

Wang Wen：I think in the latest two years, in the west, more than 2 million people died in Covid-19, most of them are poor people and old people. So, you can see in China, the Zero Covid policy is actually to be more beneficial to the poor and the elderly. In order to protect the poor and the old, China does not hesitate to sacrifice economic growth. This is my point.

BBC presenter Mark Urban：It's going to be some difficult decisions to be made if the Party Congress will be protected from the prospect of either being delayed or disrupted by an outbreak in Beijing?

Wang Wen: Mark, I know you used to be a war correspondent. But you may not know that in China, we compare the anti-pandemic as a war. The virus is our enemy. In this anti-pandemic war, China is the best country in the world in the past two years, protect people's lives, export the most masks and medical machine to the world, and contribute to the recovery of the world economy. And so- called Party Congress I think that in the west, maybe there are some misunderstandings about the Communist Party of China……

BBC presenter Mark Urban：Can I……

Wang Wen: But in China,about the Congress,the people support the Communist Party and love their leader. This is from our heart.

BBC presenter Mark Urban：Can I follow……

Wang Wen: That’s why I think this autumn, China will have a very successful National Congress.

BBC presenter Mark Urban：Can I follow up as you did for the war analogy? And indeed, I think a lot of western countries would have looked at China's record up to now and said they've been very successful in containing outbreaks. But the question that I think a lot of Westerners would ask was, why didn't you use the time that brought you to conduct mass vaccination?

Wang Wen: Actually, I think that we love life for most of Chinese people. We are unwilling to take risks for the so-called "freedom", which is the fundamental reason why we have confidence in finance and economy. Some people in the west misunderstand China.

BBC presenter Mark Urban：Sorry…

Wang Wen: But we should have confidence to China’s future.

BBC presenter Mark Urban：Thank you very much Dr. Wang Wen, thank you very much for joining us.

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