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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump wasted little time going for each other's jugulars Monday, each stampeding over the other's talking points as their intensely anticipated first debate began. Each candidate knows that the perception of their performance — from their command of policy issues and ability to articulate a vision for the country to their ability to parry barbs and attacks from their rival — could set the trajectory for the rest of the campaign.

Here are the most memorable and important moments of the night:

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1) Trump: Clinton doesn’t look presidential

Trump reiterated that Clinton “doesn’t have the look” of a president and said “she doesn’t have the stamina.”

Clinton had a quick rebuke. “Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina.”

Clinton attempted to turn the topic back to Trump’s derogatory comments toward women, invoking a beauty pageant contestant she claimed Trump had called “Ms. Piggy” and “Ms. Housekeeping.”

“Donald, she has a name,” Clinton said, as Trump interjected, saying, “Where did you find this?”

Trump argued that his comments were largely aimed at Rosie O’Donnell (who he had a long running feud with) and then he offered a subtle suggestion he had considered invoking of the Clintons’ marital strife – including her husband’s infidelity.

“I said to myself, I can't do it. I just can't do it. It's inappropriate. It's not nice,” he said. “But she's (spent) hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads even me, many of which are untrue, and they're misrepresentations, and I will tell you this, Lester, it's not nice, and I don't deserve that, but it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done.”

2) Trump to Americans on racial healing: 'I say nothing'

As Holt pressed Trump on his role in perpetuating the birther controversy against President Barack Obama, he asked Trump what he’d say to Americans about the need for racial healing.

“I say nothing,” Trump replied, “because I was able to get him to produce [his birth certificate]. He should have produced it a long time before. I say nothing.”

Trump struggled to respond to charges that he fomented the debunked claim that Obama was born outside the United States for years after Obama produced his long-form birth certificate. Instead, he reiterated his claim that Clinton’s own advisers pushed the controversy during their divisive primary in 2008.

“I'll tell you just simple to say, Sidney Blumenthal works for the campaign and close -- very close friend of Secretary Clinton. And her campaign manager, Patty Doyle went to -- during the campaign, her campaign against president Obama fought very hard, and you can go look it up and you can check it out,” he said. “If you look at CNN this past week, Patty Doyle was on Wolf Blitzer saying that this happened, Blumenthal sent McClatchy to Kenya to find out about it, they were pressing very hard. They failed to get the birth certificate.”

“I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate, and I think I did a good job,” he continued, adding of Clinton, “just like she can't bring back jobs she can't produce.”

3) The fact check fight

As Donald Trump excoriated Hillary Clinton for once describing the Trans-Pacific Partnership as the "gold standard" of trade deals, Clinton shot back that he was mischaracterizing her position against the deal.

"I know you live in your own reality, but those are not the facts," she said.

Soon after, she plugged her home page and urged viewers to visit her campaign's live Trump fact check. Trump cut in to plug his own website next.

After a tussle over taxes, Trump fired back.

"Look at her website. It's no different than this," he said. "She's telling us how to fight ISIS. She tells you how to fight ISIS on her website. I don't think general MacArthur would like that too much."

Trump repeatedly slammed Clinton for the Obama administration's fiscal policies. She again retorted.

"I have a feeling by the end of this evening I'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened," she said.

"Why not?" he mused.

"Yeah. Why not? Just join the debate by saying more crazy things," she said.


4) Paying no income tax 'makes me smart'

Trump parried a question about his still-hidden tax returns by vowing emphatically to release them as soon as Clinton produces 33,000 deleted emails from her private server.

"I will release my tax returns, against my lawyer's wishes, when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted," he said. "As soon as she releases them, I will release my tax returns and that's against my lawyers say don't do it."

The audience broke into cheers, violating the rules of decorum set out by moderator Lester Holt.

Clinton replied that Trump's comment was "another example of bait and switch here."

"You've got to ask yourself, why won't he release his tax returns? And I think there may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. Third, we don't know all of his business dealings," she said, adding that he may not have paid any income tax.

"That makes me smart," he interjected.

5) Trump defends business practices

After Clinton slammed Trump for "stiffing" his workers and bringing companies into bankruptcy, Trump defended his dealings.

"Look, it's all words. It's all sound bites," he said. "I built an unbelievable company, some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets in the world beyond the United States and it's an unbelievable company. But on occasion, four times, we used certain laws that are there."

As for Clinton's contention about his workers, Trump said: "First of all, they did get paid a lot but taking advantage of the laws of the nation. ... Now, if you want to change the laws, you've been there a long time, change the laws. But I take advantage of the laws of the nation because I'm running a company."

Trump also seemed to contemplate losing the presidential race, noting the hotel he just opened on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington D.C.

"If I don't get there in one way, I'm going to get to Pennsylvania Ave. another," he said.


6) Trump hints at Clinton’s stamina

Trump attempted to stoke his campaign’s insinuation that Clinton lacks the stamina to be president. In a discussion of his travels to urban areas to speak to African American voters, Trump noted he’d been to Detroit and Philadelphia.

“You've seen me, I've been all over the place. You decided to stay home and that's okay,” he said.

Clinton counterpunched.

“I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate,” she said. “And yes, I did. And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president. And I think that's a good thing."

7) Trump to Clinton: 'We agree.'

The first interaction of the night wasn't the haymaker many people expected. Trump's first comment directed at Clinton was about an area of agreement: Child care.

"As far as child care is concerned and so many other things, I think Hillary and I agree on that," Trump said after Clinton opened with a call for more family friendly economic policies. "We probably disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're going to do but perhaps we'll be talking about that later."

8) Trump continues to mislead on his Iraq war stance

Trump continued to mislead on his position on the Iraq War, insisting that he was against it prior to the invasion despite the only evidence – a 2002 Howard Stern interview – suggesting he was in favor of it.

“I did not support the war in Iraq. That is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her,” Trump said of Clinton.

“The record shows otherwise,” Holt said.

Trump urged reporters to call Fox’s Sean Hannity, a close ally, to vouch for his opposition to the war beforehand.

Clinton said she hoped “fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard.”

9) Clinton laughs off Trump’s temperament barb

Trump, who’s been dogged by questions about his temperament to be president, sought to turn the issue around on Clinton, saying she’s actually too volatile.

Trump said that at the AFL-CIO “the other day, behind the blue screen, I don't know who you were talking to, secretary, Clinton, but you were totally out of control,” he said.

Clinton grinned and delivered an exasperated “Woo! Okay.” Her voice trailed off and she moved on.

10) Trump backs off “rigged” suggestions

Trump poured cold water on the notion that he might challenge the results of the presidential election.

“If she wins, I will absolutely support her,” he said.

Clinton set the table for Trump’s walkback by saying that in democracy, “sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. But I certainly will support the outcome of this election.”



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Clinton puts Trump on defense at first debate

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By Stephen Collinson, CNN

 

Updated 12:06 AM ET, Tue September 27, 2016

Donald Trump speaking at the 1st Presidential Debate at Hofstra University, New York on September 26, 2016
 
 
 
 
 

Story highlights

  • Trump repeats inaccurate statements on birther controversy, support for Iraq War
  • Clinton on Trump: 'He has a long record of engaging in racist behavior'
 

(CNN)Hillary Clinton forced Donald Trump onto defense over his temperament, refusal to release his taxes and his past comments about race and women during a fiery debut presidential debate Monday -- a potentially pivotal moment in a tight election campaign.

Clinton, who has seen her dominance of the presidential race fade in the weeks since the Democratic convention, delivered a strong performance in which she demonstrated a command of policy and a sense of humor, smiling through some of Trump's strongest attacks. She delivered the best zinger of the night in response to criticism from Trump for staying off the campaign trail recently.
"I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate," she said. "And yes, I did. And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be President. And that is a good thing."
Trump came out swinging at the beginning of the debate, and made some effective points on the economy and jobs -- some of the aspects of his outsider presidential campaign that have struck a chord with many Americans. But the debate highlighted Trump's tendency to make false claims as he made inaccurate statements on everything from laws regarding policing, his support for the Iraq War and his contention that Clinton was behind the so-called birther conspiracy.
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Appearing in the "spin room" after the debate to talk to journalists, Trump said he was happy with his performance.
Trump speaks out on taxes, birther movement
 
 

 

Trump speaks out on taxes, birther movement 03:19
"It went better than I ever thought," he told CNN's Dana Bash.
A CNN/ORC poll of debate watchers released after the event found 62% felt Clinton won compared to 27% for Trump. The poll suggests the debate audience was a bit more Democratic than the public as a whole, about on par with the Democratic tilt in the audience that watched the first debate in 2008 between Obama and John McCain.
One of the most powerful moments of the debate came when the conversation focused on the so-called birther debate following Trump's recent acknowledgment that President Barack Obama was born in the US -- a fact that has been evident for years. With Trump standing just a few feet from her, Clinton blasted him for perpetuating a "racist lie."
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"He has a long record of engaging in racist behavior," Clinton said as Trump shook his head.
Trump hit back, noting Clinton's tough critiques of Obama during their bitter 2008 primary battle.

'Holier than thou'

"You treated him with terrible disrespect and I watch the way you talk now about how lovely everything is ... it doesn't work that way," he said. "When you try to act holier than thou, it really doesn't work."
Clinton: Trump called women pigs, slobs and dogs
 
 

 

Clinton: Trump called women pigs, slobs and dogs 01:56
As the debate ended, Clinton hammered Trump over his treatment of women.
"This is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs," Clinton said.
She accused Trump of calling a Latina contestant in a beauty contest "Miss Piggy" and a housekeeper because of her ethnicity, seemingly throwing Trump off as he twice asked "Where did you find this?"
Clinton repeatedly sought to correct Trump's statements -- going so far as referring viewers to fact checks on her website -- as she aimed to portray him as out of touch with the complexities of the American economy.
"I know you live in your own reality," she told Trump.
Clinton and Trump opened the debate on a positive note by shaking hands before stationing themselves behind their podiums at Hofstra University on New York's Long Island. Their spouses, former President Bill Clinton and Melania Trump, also greeted each other before taking their seats in the debate hall.
 
Hillary Clinton's life in the spotlight
 
 
Photos: Hillary Clinton's life in the spotlight
From there, the drama quickly unfolded.
An increasingly angry Trump slammed Clinton for putting her plans to fight ISIS on her website -- and thereby tipping off America's enemy.
"Well, at least I have a plan to fight ISIS," Clinton responded, referring to his previous statements that he has a "secret" plan to destroy the terrorist group.

Battling over taxes

Clinton also hit Trump over his refusal to release his tax returns.
"Why won't he release his tax returns?" Clinton asked.
"Maybe he is not as rich as he says he is," she went on. "Maybe he is not as charitable as he claims to be," "Maybe he doesn't want the American people to know that he has paid nothing in federal taxes."
Clinton pressed Trump on the issue, saying "There is something he is hiding."
Trump: I'm 'smart' for paying no taxes
 
 

 

Trump: I'm 'smart' for paying no taxes 01:14
Trump replied that he would release his taxes when Clinton made public 33,000 emails that were deleted from her private email server. When Clinton said that Trump had paid no federal income tax in some years, Trump replied "That makes me smart."
Clinton also set about Trump's business record, pointing out that he had called himself "The King of Debt" and accusing him of "stiffing" thousand of contractors who did work for his business.
When the debate turned to racial issues and crime, Clinton said that it was important for police to work together with local communities to restore trust.
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Trump accused Clinton of refusing to say the phrase "law and order" and bemoaned the state of inner cities. He said that African-Americans and Hispanics were "living in hell."
"You walk down the street, you get shot," Trump said.
Clinton rebuked Trump for painting "such a dire picture" of black communities.

Campaign at a critical point

Trump and Clinton are facing off with the campaign at a critical point, as the race is a dead heat just 43 days before Election Day.
A CNN/ORC poll released Monday found Trump edging Clinton 42% to 41% in the crucial battleground state of Colorado among likely voters in a four-way race. In Pennsylvania, another key state, the poll found Clinton in a virtual tie against Trump among likely voters at 45% to 44%.
The former secretary of state is relying on both states to help pave her way to the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House.
Nationally, CNN's Poll of Polls finds Clinton and Trump neck-and-neck 44%-42%.

Debate prep

The rivals spent the day preparing for their big battle.
Clinton participated in mock debates with her tart-tongued former aide Philippe Reines playing Trump. In one practice debate, Reines assumed the character of the unpredictable nominee by praising Clinton for her role as a pioneer for women, campaign sources said.
 
Donald Trump's empire
 
 
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Reines even wore the kind of signature red tie that Trump favors and adopted his characteristic hand gestures in a bid to fully prepare Clinton for her unpredictable foe.
The Republican nominee has watched videos of Clinton, but his preparation has been less intense than his opponent's, in keeping with his more freewheeling style. He did not hold mock debates, for instance, with someone standing in for Clinton.

CNN's Dana Bash, Dylan Byers and Sara Murray contributed to this report

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1.到底誰是華爾街和富人的代言人，是主張給1%的富人增稅的希拉裏，還是主張給富人減稅的川普？是要求立法規範華爾街的希拉裏？還是要deregulation的川普？如果川粉堅持希拉裏是華爾街的人，而川普是中產的代表，那麽我真的懷疑川迷眼中的川普到底是不是真實的川普，抑或是川迷們瞎了眼？
2.作為精明的商人，避稅合法但不道德；而拒絕支付工人的工資的理由居然是我能玩弄法律。這種人正是如希拉裏指出的，有時，對商業有利的事，對國家和社會未必有利。川普以此自以為聰明，恐怕會搬起石頭砸自己的腳。
3.逃避問題隻能說明心中有鬼。當問到報稅問題的時候，川普把公開的自己的報稅記錄與否和希拉裏的郵件問題關聯，是個非常糟糕的舉措。在他自以為聰明，其實正是說明他的報稅會暴露川普的財務問題。也正如希拉裏指出的川普拒絕公開報稅記錄的核心並不是川普有什麽逃稅的法律問題，而是作為一個公眾人物的道德和誠信問題。川普報稅記錄絕對是有見不得人的地方，絕對不能公開，否則會導致他喪失當美國總統的道德威信，但肯定不會影響其精明商人的地位。川普迷就不必提川普洗地了。
4.沒有任何的具體主張，隻有負麵的指責。為反對而反對可以造就一個反對黨或異議者，但絕對無法成為一個領導美國克服困難繼續向前的領袖。而反複重複川普偉大而沒有具體政策措施，是無能。
5.表麵氣勢洶洶，不斷地打斷別人的講話，不尊重主持人，看似戰鬥力強，實際不過是內心虛弱的表現。
6.在伊拉克戰爭之初反對和支持都沒有什麽高下之分。在911後的那個局勢下，任何一個美國人都會支持伊拉克戰爭，現實也是如此。我想99%的川迷當時也是支持伊拉克戰爭的。一個政治家不犯錯誤是偉大，而能改正錯誤也同樣值得讚賞。川普反對伊拉克戰爭（我仔細讀了川普對伊拉克戰爭的態度，遠不是現在表達的那樣堅決和高瞻遠矚，而是懷疑伊拉克戰爭而已）不錯，而希拉裏先支持後反對也沒有什麽不對的。
7.希拉裏冷靜，幽默，理智的應對，說明其精神和體力沒有什麽問題。我今後不會再關注任何她的健康問題。
很多川迷已經在歡呼川普的勝利，而在我看來，川普的表現無法和勝利有任何的關聯。作為一個川黑，但長期對希拉裏持懷疑態度的人，我這此給希拉裏打9分。
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