your great eternal pleasure

回答: Great pleasure 由 judge888 於 2004-01-14 08:17:00

I am saved by science. I feel so happy that no Christian can experience the real pleasure.
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I really can not understand your experience that your savior-science saved you! Do you mean that science gave you an eternal life, made you righteousness and not a sinner? Those words are so fresh to me. However, I know that fact that science absolutely not save you from sinner to be a man of righteousness.
Maybe we have different understanding on the word of "save", the Christian use word "saved" not only express that they are not belong to the sin world, also mean they can pass the final judgement of God.

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What I did here is to spread out justice, science. To save some christian (fundmentalist) from evil. I will be more than happy if the christian extrmism can pursuade me. If that happens, I will go to Africa to spread out Gospel.
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Sorry, I do not try to persuade you, for try to do something make you "more than happy”, as I said in title for "your great eternal pleasure".

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God, a perfect man/spirit, dead to pay the price for christians. This is not fair, nor justice in any sense if one have normal emotional reaction. Christians are the in-direct murder and should be punished according to law and conscience.
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Jesus was dead for the world, for all sinners, not just for Christians. You should get the conclusion that all people in the world are the murders who killed Jesus according to your logic. For Christian people, the death of Jesus was not in vain, since they believed in him and accepted him, that Jesus is live now and forever with/within them. The law of God and justice are fulfilled by their faith in Jesus. Even the laws of this world also applies this situation. We Christian confessed our sins that made us must die and we accepted the punishment that we have died with the Lord Jesus on the same cross, and resurrected with Jesus meantime. Does there is any law of justice could punish the same sin twice? For an example, you derived over-speed and get the ticket of fine; your father or someone else has paid it. I have question to you that should you pay the fine again? Absolutely not! Again, if your father or someone else wanted to pay for you, but you have rejected at all, the question is that should you pay the fine or not?
The Juger of any law will ask you pay it. Similarly, you can understand the difference between Christian and non-Christian in front of the judgment of God. God will judge all, Christian and non-Christian, but the final results are different so naturally, lawfully, justicial.


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I would ask why christians do not kill themself to enjoy their endless life in Heaven and feel their God's love directly. It seems that kill them early help them enjoy their endless life early. In my mind, any murder, whether it in the name of God or not, is unacceptable if one have conscience.
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First of all, I want tell you that the law of God says do not murder. Suicide is also the behavior of murder that should go to hell. In Bible, there is a sample, Judas, the one who sold the Jesus and hang himself; he was the son of hell. Moreover, according to the Bible, we are living not only in our flesh body, but also in Jesus Christ. How can we kill the Jesus twice? Your used word of "conscience" many times in your article to criticise Christian, but where is your "conscience", please show me. What I can say is that your this topic is not funny but only sin.

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They love God and theirself so much that they do not care about others, including their relatives and ancestors. The Bible clearly expressed this.
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〖太１０：２１〗：弟兄要把弟兄，父親要把兒子，送到死
地。兒女要與父母為敵，害死他們。
〖太１０：３４－３７〗）：你們不要想我來，是叫地上太
平。我來並不是叫地上太平，乃是叫地上動刀兵。因為我來，是叫人與父親生疏，女兒與母親生疏，媳婦與婆婆生疏。人的仇敵，就是自己家裏的人。愛父母過於愛我的，不配作我的門徒，愛兒女過於愛我的，不配作我的門徒。
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請不要斷章取意。聯係上下文，這裏指的是基督徒在世界裏受迫害，迫害他們的甚至包括他們的親人。仆人不能高過主人，耶穌基督自己尚且被逼迫，被送上十字架。基督徒同樣要被世界所恨，所逼迫。這個世界是屬於撒旦的，撒旦不僅用盡一切手段對付耶穌，也動用一切手段對付熱愛耶穌基督的人。為了主的緣故，多少基督徒被迫害，被監禁，被處死。

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〖太１９：１２〗：因為有生來是閹人，也有被人閹的，並
有為天國的緣故自閹的。這話誰能領受，就可以領受。（中世紀時許多修道士因此自閹。即使在今天，仍有宗派因此自閹。）
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這裏的為天國的緣故自閹的是指如使徒保羅那樣人，全身心投入傳播神的福音中，而不結婚建立家庭。而不是指要真的自己動刀子作什麽。中世紀時，聖經真理被遮蓋住，出現各種宗教的作法不足為奇。

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〖路１９：２７〗：至於我那些仇敵不要我作他們王的，把
他們拉來，在我麵前殺了罷。
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關於神的審判問題，前麵有涉及，不贅言。

〖羅１：３２〗：在數說外邦男女放縱可羞恥的情欲之後，
他們雖知道神判定，行這樣事的人是當死的，然而他們不但自己去行，還喜歡別人去行。
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謝謝你引用的經文。從這段經文裏我們看到以色列人可恥的墮落。今天的情形也同樣，人們明知神的判定，可是還是要為了可羞恥情欲，貪欲去拒絕神。不僅自己去犯罪，還喜歡別人去行。不是嗎。我們知道很多人拒絕神，是因為他們的驕傲，他們認為依靠自己的努力一樣可以完全。但也有很多人不是這樣，他們拒絕信神僅僅是因為世界裏(內心裏)有罪惡的東西在吸引。所謂的科學隻不過是拒絕神的一個借口罷了。本人也是吃科學這碗飯的，我的周圍有傑出貢獻的基督徒科學家也不少 (包括我老板，他的網頁上還特意提及他信仰基督)，信科學就不能信基督的說法有誰能信呢？

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