這次辯論後民主黨覺得他們贏“麻“了，各種民調領先滿天飛，殊不知那種極左的專橫跋扈，my way or high way 之 approach 早已將中間選民弄了個透心涼，如果民主黨換個偏中間的候選人他們肯定棄川普而去，但並非這個中國人稱之“見人說人話見鬼說鬼話”的哈裏斯。看看她過去在加州的所作所為，看看今天舊金山的烏煙瘴氣，以美國人民的智慧，他們能讓哈裏斯入主白宮？民調說哈裏斯贏了，而決定此次大選的中間選民說："Don't give a dime！”
Mina63 發表評論於
做人不要太哈裏斯.金句！
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支持博主
風語空靈 發表評論於
回複 'xyz66' 的評論 :
謝謝 xyz66朋友的“拔刀相助”，不勝感激！
借此機會給此文加點“魚子醬”
（注：賓州（川哈辯論所在州）是關鍵的搖擺州。）
“ A small-town bakery in a key swing state is using cookies to add extra sweetness and competition to the upcoming presidential election.?
Lochel's Bakery in Hatboro, Pa., is tracking the sales of their red Trump cookies and blue Harris cookies as customers from across the country are placing orders to show support for their candidate.
As of Friday morning, the shop has sold a whopping 5,200 Trump cookies vs. 500 Harris cookies.?”
xyz66：....說點實質性的論點...
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不知道你說的實質性論點是什麽，倒有個簡單的問題，博主如何知道"中間選民對辯論輸贏 don't give a dime"?
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文中沒有任何說明，博主就替"中間選民"作了主，讓顯得越俎代庖的結論難以令人置信。辯論勝利是否能轉化為更多選票，是個無人能回答的問題。博主"don't give a dime"的回答，因毫無依據讓肯定的語氣顯得非常單薄，因為隻是一個猜測。
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除非授權，否則，在美國/西方人們回答對某個問題的看法/感受時，幾乎有一個標準模式: I don't know about others, but I think/believe...(我不知道別人怎麽樣，但我認為/相信...)。與中國大陸不同，在西方/美國隨便與他人作主，是冒犯人的不禮貌行為。
xyz66 發表評論於
樓下的Shalako 網民，你得向博主學習，說點實質性的論點，糾結於“dime” or “damn” 有意思嗎？ 顯擺你英文造詣深厚？ 別忘了，這是在海外，英文是主流語言。文學城臥龍藏虎，秀這點雕蟲小技，貽笑大方罷了。
也許博主隻不過是為了避免觸發“profanity” censorship 才用了dime. Who knows? Who cares?
ShalakoW 發表評論於
@海河垂釣叟,
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電影"隨風而去/Gone with the Wind"的結尾，當深愛Scarlett O'Hara 的 Rhett Butler 再也無法忍受 Scarlett冷漠與自私，決定離家出走時，Scarlett 在房門處攔住Rhett,懇請他不要走:
Scarlett: Rhett, if you go, where shall I go? What shall I do?
Rhett: Franky my dear, I don't give a damn.
這段對話成為這一經典電影的一個人的經典片段。
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如果按你的意思，I don't give a dime 與 I don't give a damn 沒有區別，Rhett回應道，"Frankly my dear, I don't give a dime", 且不說電影是否能成經典，觀眾或都會要求退票，哪怕當時的票價隻是 a dime.
回複 'Contenta' 的評論 : 讚！把你的正貼提上來
HARRIS CLOSING STATEMENT
“So, I think you’ve heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we’re not going back, and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward, and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people. Which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, and what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America’s standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I’ll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was a DA, I was an attorney general, United States Senator and now vice president. I’ve only had one client, the people. And I’ll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or witness, ‘Are you a Republican or a Democrat?’ The only thing I ever asked them was, ‘are you OK’? And that’s the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.
TRUMP’S CLOSING STATEMENT
So she just started by saying she’s going to do this, she’s going to do that. She’s going to do all these wonderful things.Why hasn’t she done it? She’s been there for three and a half years.They’ve had three and a half years to fix the border. They’ve had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn’t she done it?
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
But you haven’t done it, and you won’t do it because you believe in things that the American people don’t believe in. You believe in things like we’re not going to frack, we’re not going to take fossil fuel, we’re not going to do things that are going to be strong, whether you like it or not.
Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants … We can’t sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
But I just ask one simple question, why didn’t she? We’re a failing nation. We’re a nation that’s in serious decline. We’re being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. They laughed. I know the leaders very well. They’re coming to see me. They call me. We’re laughed at all over the world. They don’t understand what happened to us as a nation. We’re not a leader. We don’t have any idea what’s going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We’re going to end up in a third World War, and it will be a war like no other, because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals, and they’re destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.”
曬就是分享 發表評論於
變色龍，哈哈。是的！
給讚風語空靈。說得非常好。謝謝！！
曬就是分享 發表評論於
@neshershahor
FYI
樓主的意思是 The undecided voters are not convinced by the poll. They couldn't care less. The so-called "win" does not shift their votes.
@鏡子裏的猴兒,
上世紀美國大蕭條時，歌手 Bing Crosby 有一首很有名的歌，Brother, can you spare a dime (夥計，能施舍一毛錢麽？)，說的是大蕭條給美國各行各業的人造成的經濟打擊。結尾的歌詞是，
...Oh say, don't you remember? I am your pal,
Buddy, can you spare a dime.
ShalakoW 發表評論於
@海河垂釣叟,
Thank you.
在我讀來，博主文中最後那句話想表達的意思是，"即便民調顯示哈裏斯贏了辯論，但中間選民也不在乎(不會改變他們把票投給川普的決定)"。
且不說他如何知道"中間選民"怎麽想的，他想說明的是"美國中間選民"的思維活動。With this in mind,
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從語言邏輯上說，英文是"Don't give a damn",是表明自己不在乎， 而"Don't give a dime"表明"一文不值"。
前者意思中立(哪怕值百萬美金也與我無關)；後者帶有否定/貶義。
"一文不值"是大陸國人思維方式，否定對方來強調自己正確; "與我無關"是美國人的思維習慣，隻強調自己的意見，不評判他人(結論)是否正確。
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博主這篇文章猜測是"美國中間選民"的意見，即便他的猜測合理，也應是美國人的思維態度：隻強調自己(我不在乎)，不否定他人。
然而，博主卻用中國大陸國人思維習慣解釋美國人的思維活動，這一擰巴的操作，讓他的猜測不可避免地與現實帶有很大的"隔閡"。
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美國政壇割裂，左右相互否定，對方"一文不值(Don't give a dime)",而"中間選民"的特點就是不參與左右誰對誰錯之爭(Don't give a damn)", 隻在意自己的判斷。
Contenta 發表評論於
川普的closing argument 痛打三笑七寸，讓她毫無還手之力。贏麻了？還是被打”麻“了？
HARRIS CLOSING STATEMENT
“So, I think you’ve heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we’re not going back, and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward, and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people. Which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, and what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America’s standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I’ll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was a DA, I was an attorney general, United States Senator and now vice president. I’ve only had one client, the people. And I’ll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or witness, ‘Are you a Republican or a Democrat?’ The only thing I ever asked them was, ‘are you OK’? And that’s the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.
TRUMP’S CLOSING STATEMENT
So she just started by saying she’s going to do this, she’s going to do that. She’s going to do all these wonderful things.Why hasn’t she done it? She’s been there for three and a half years.They’ve had three and a half years to fix the border. They’ve had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn’t she done it?
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
But you haven’t done it, and you won’t do it because you believe in things that the American people don’t believe in. You believe in things like we’re not going to frack, we’re not going to take fossil fuel, we’re not going to do things that are going to be strong, whether you like it or not.
Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants … We can’t sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
But I just ask one simple question, why didn’t she? We’re a failing nation. We’re a nation that’s in serious decline. We’re being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. They laughed. I know the leaders very well. They’re coming to see me. They call me. We’re laughed at all over the world. They don’t understand what happened to us as a nation. We’re not a leader. We don’t have any idea what’s going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We’re going to end up in a third World War, and it will be a war like no other, because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals, and they’re destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.”
鏡子裏的猴兒 發表評論於
回複 '海河垂釣叟' 的評論 : 隻見過 " I would not give you a dime...." 或者 " you would not get a dime..." , 沒見過人說 " don't give a dime", 隻有一個例外. 有一首歌名叫做 "don'i give a dime."
您這是閉門造車.
海河垂釣叟 發表評論於
兩種說法都對，don't give me dime 的意思是 what you said is worthless to me.
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ShalakoW 發表評論於 2024-09-13 07:20:11
博主，正確的說法是，Don't give a damn,
這次辯論後民主黨覺得他們贏“麻“了，各種民調領先滿天飛，殊不知那種極左的專橫跋扈，my way or high way 之 approach 早已將中間選民弄了個透心涼，如果民主黨換個偏中間的候選人他們肯定棄川普而去，但並非這個中國人稱之“見人說人話見鬼說鬼話”的哈裏斯。看看她過去在加州的所作所為，看看今天舊金山的烏煙瘴氣，以美國人民的智慧，他們能讓哈裏斯入主白宮？民調說哈裏斯贏了，而決定此次大選的中間選民說："Don't give a dime！”
