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看見這個調侃的圖片,我想起當年的流行語,便在朋友圏寫道:“九十年代在美國流行這種說法:一等美女嫁美軍,二等美女嫁德軍(包括歐洲), 三等美女嫁日軍,四等美女嫁偽軍,五等美女嫁共軍。看來劉欣勉強屬於二等美女,嫁了土爾其德軍[呲牙][偷笑][偷笑]”
我師兄在八十年代中後期拿到公派留德的通知時,還在耿耿於懷,稱留美名額被北京的機構獨吞了,歐洲機會留給我們武漢的。當年怒對克林頓的北大女生嫁美國人,使館被炸後學生們白天遊行,晚上準備托福和GRE,所以當年一等美女嫁美軍是千真萬確的。現在則不見得,我今年的學生拒絕Boston College選擇倫敦的King’s College。
我的歐洲朋友在我這則朋友圈發問:“哈哈,想請教一下嫁給了由共軍變美軍的是哪一等美女?[偷笑][調皮][呲牙]”
我理解那流行語中的美軍是指美國人的。這共軍變美軍可是叛變啊,我便回答:“看是否在美軍中得過軍功章[微笑]”
歐洲朋友:“你那流行說法裏可是不看是否得軍功章,隻要是個美軍就行滴喲[調皮][呲牙]”
我說:“回答你的hypothetical question 用的[呲牙]”
歐洲朋友:“就以你的實例說明不就很簡單了,還不好意思說[疑問][呲牙][調皮][偷笑]”
這歐洲朋友是知道我的“長得很耐看(嶽父語)”的太太的,所以我回答:“那可是特等美女啊[呲牙]”
歐洲朋友:“哈哈,原來你是得了特等軍功章的美軍啊[噓][調皮][呲牙]”
我繼續回答:“不敢當,如果知道你早先是問的我,我就不說軍功章了。[偷笑]。同濟校友David真去阿富汗打仗,並得勳章。[強][握手]”
歐洲朋友:“原本並不是問的你,隻是你的答複太閃爍其詞,便讓你現身說法以便理解而已[調皮]”
有朋友專門送我微信,要求我寫關於劉欣與Trish辯論的文章。我係列耶魯文章正在寫,本來沒有寫此議題的衝動。既然被問到,我以一個美國高中辯論自願者裁判的身份說幾句。先分享我在辯論前的兩則朋友圈內容:
“央視劉欣對決Fox News的Trish Regan, 黑發對不太傻的金發碧眼[呲牙][偷笑]。也是南大對哥大,隔著太平洋的在Fox News辯論,好戲即將在下周三登場,可惜我家沒有電視[呲牙][強]。天朝也想想能否允許這樣的公開辯論在央視發生?朋友說:“給劉欣支個招:先讓楊瀾和魯豫對戰,劉欣觀戰,再認劉分別與這兩位交鋒”。Trish資質超群,經驗會豐富很多,New Hampshire小姐,頂級私高Exeter和哥大。有點奇怪,這種背景的人很少去保守的Fox News”;
“據說劉欣的丈夫是土爾其裔德國人,她想嫁誰就嫁誰,美國人不會關心Trish的丈夫是加拿大人。中國人太講純的愛國,海歸高調放棄美國,然後反美,沒有必要這樣。作為經常擔任高中辯論裁判的人,我到很希望看到辯論的技巧與風格,首先劉欣以非母語參賽,已經贏得尊重,她那土爾其德國佬估計英語也不行[呲牙][偷笑][偷笑]”
我們以美國政策辯論(Policy debate)來類比,劉欣和Trish在辯前都發表了各自的觀點,我們權當她們完成了辯論中的Speech部分,也就是陳述階段。這次電視交鋒則是政策辯論的Cross examination(對質)階段,正方的議題一般是被大多數民眾所接受的,所以給他們的證據很充分。這時候我們是需要給反方機會的,反方隻要抓住正方的關鍵點的漏洞絕地反擊,正方如果不能有效地辯解,裁判就有可能判正方輸,因為反方不容易。這裏Trish是邀請方,以她發問,正方角色很明顯,劉欣沒有抓到機會反擊,比較遺憾,她基本上以回答問題為主。我在輔導學生參加大學麵試時,也十分強調作為學生,你不能僅僅是回答問題,還要發問才能顯示你對這所大學的興趣。
但是劉欣本人的表現還是相當不錯的,在大量事實使她處於被動的情況下,這個結果值得祝賀,體現了中國新生代的自信與開放。以我的本科智力決定論去解釋,南大還是強過夜大學的。當然這決定論隻是我隨便說的,大量反例可以挑戰它。Trish沒有說劉欣是共產黨員,隻是說黨控製CCTV, 這應該沒有說錯,黨也強調央視是喉舌。劉欣撇開自己不是黨員完全是給美國人聽的,因為在美國共產黨是與納粹並列的。另外,劉欣也很明顯地承認天朝存在對知識產權的侵犯,語氣中還覺得這無所謂,這態度在西方是行不通的,Trish也沒在這點上嘖嘖逼人。總之雙方的表現都可圈可點,值得稱讚,也希望這能促使中美的良性互動。
唐西 2019-06-03 06:09:21 回複 悄悄話 回複 'SwissArmy' 的評論 : 我在美國的時候你在哪裏,在Swiss,那窮山溝好不容易翻了身,有錢了,所以對中國特別好,來錢吧,Swiss Welcome!這裏最安全!
你指教我,你是誰啊?有話就好好說,是送你瑞士軍刀還是瑞士巧克力?
你這個邏輯的難度係數太高,我表示隻要我還沒有精神錯亂,是沒法跟你辯論的:)
唐西 2019-06-02 12:54:17 回複 悄悄話 回複 'SwissArmy' 的評論 : 那你來說說,接受你的批評執教。
白底黑字在這擺著,你自己說接受我的批評指教,然後這麽快就翻臉不認帳,讓人怎麽跟你講道理? 跟共產黨的無恥如出一轍。
你指教我,你是誰啊?有話就好好說,是送你瑞士軍刀還是瑞士巧克力?
我佩服你,用英文還真敵不過你毫無邏輯的東拉西扯打遊擊 -- 真是共黨好學生---加上豪言壯語的黨八股,連中文諧音都成為論據了。 我一時半會兒還真想不出懟文革黨八股的英文。 還自稱是工科出生,邏輯如此混亂,是否畢業都值得懷疑。你是不是老一輩傳說中的工農兵學員?不過搞了半天是棄了國籍的愛國賊,還是黨的棄嬰。忠心可嘉可歎。還呆在外國幹什麽,還不趕緊回中國叫黨媽?是你黨媽嫌棄你,還是你嫌棄你黨媽?
因為小,你們這些人看不上,來得少,所以我喜歡。我是好言相勸你們這些人去主頁宣傳,就不要來我們這些小民的自留地了。我那麽客氣,你tmd的還給臉不要臉了。
你不是從事投行的工作的嗎?在粵語中投行和投降是同一發音。但你不會投降的,因為按照香港說的流行語,你是那種摔在地上,爬起來的時候是不會忘記撿上一粒沙子的。如果你是灣灣,那就更難過了。既沒財氣又沒人氣,底氣嘛就不說了。
我不是中國公民,但中國是我的祖國。
我不是共產黨員,但曾經努力過,可是他們裏頭人才濟濟,政審和預備時間太長,還要有兩個擔保人,挺繁瑣的但這就是共產黨的成功之處,嚴格精選人才。
黨員裏不乏精英,更捧的是,在各自的領域裏頭都是精才在位。
不可否認,黨員中也摻雜進了不少壞人,但總體上來說,好黨員還是占大多數的。
共產黨執政中國幾十年,旅居海外十幾二十多年,大家不是看著中國在騰飛的嗎?越來越富強了嗎?那他們的政治正確的方針和政策誰定的,不是中國共產黨嗎?難道是美國的民主黨或者是共和黨。
你以為共產黨都是白癡,就不懂也不會搞經濟,搞自己的特色的嗎?
那麽當年的韓國人硬拆人家日本的電視機,接著不就仿製了嗎?還完敗了日本。韓國,日本等國的典範企業在危機的時候也不是受到了政府的資助或幫助了的嗎?還不是當時的什麽執政的政黨批準的嗎?
現在不要再帶什麽有色的眼鏡看中國共產黨啦,人家就是有那個本事帶領中國人發財致富,人家也是執政黨。
好好坐下來,研究一下歐美的政黨,再比較比較,你就知道中國共產黨的厲害了。
中國大陸如果明天出個什麽更先進的黨,隻要它能引領中國人更富,更強,那我一定也會大書特書,要讚不絕口,更會奮筆疾書。
閣下如果嫌這裏小,那麽跑來這裏幹嘛,趕緊飛吧,大大地飛吧。
我是工科出身,中文拿捏的水平有限,用語笨拙點就請多包涵吧。
博主可能比較忙,我倒是想說一下劉欣一直苦瓜臉的事情:一個人一副苦瓜臉無非幾種解釋,可能是說話的時候一直是背後有壓力言不由衷,要麽就是認為“我說的這個道理很簡單,你怎麽這麽愚蠢不認同我呢?”,給觀眾一種自己在教育小學生的無奈的感覺;
既然在道理上沒有獲勝或說服觀眾的希望,那麽就幹脆在肢體語言麵部表情上給觀眾以暗示,希望能夠潛移默化影響觀眾的判斷而已。
這城裏總有許多爭吵,意見不合。但是在每年的6月初前後,絕大多數人的心情都是沉重的,30年至今都不能忘卻。這也是為什麽我們選擇了來到美國,我們的子孫後代都會在這裏生活。
讓那些人去叫去吧!
我永遠忘不了30年前的白花和黑紗,流不盡的眼淚,和沒有“祖國”的絕望…。我宣誓,成為一個美國公民,選擇了共和黨的理念。
偉大的中國遙遙領先於腐朽沒落的資本主義美國,這是永恒的顛簸不破的宇宙真理,你為什麽還要用你笨拙的言語去證實。當然,我理解你的出發點是好的,但是你應該把這種真理讓更多的反華分子聽到。所以,我嚴肅的告訴你,不要在這種小博客裏浪費時間,要到wxc的主頁去呐喊。把那些反華分子統統從主頁裏趕走。
You have nothing to say about my refutation of the topic on ownership?
You are ridiculous. What is wrong with using English? Are you not in the US on a US base website? You seem to understand English despite your idiocy. I am bilingual and am free to type whatever fits my mood and liking.
"且是個灣貨"? Ha, your observational capability is as keen as your judgement.
You are more forthcoming than I expected: "什麽知識產權,什麽貿易戰,都扯蛋。" acknowledging your shamelessness with theft and robbery. A true communist. At least you are more honest than CCP who tries to weasel its way when caught red handed. Your declaration betrays the true nature of communism and leaves nothing more to prove my point that people like you who believe in communism are by nature robbers and thieves who despise the concept of property rights and are utterly shameless with regard to theft and robbery. One does not need to look far than Mao Zedong's Lenin's massacre of the land owners for their wealth. There is nothing to negotiate with these scum of the earth, but to crush them like we have the evil empire the Soviet Union.
"在軍事準裝備上誰在講知識產權,小心腦袋開花。 " Yes, you'd better make sure whose head would explode. You are more ignorant and more of a hilarious braggart than 胡鞍鋼. Let us see which military is more potent. Two US destroyers just sailed through the Taiwan Strait last Wednesday. This was not the first time US warships either passed through or docked at Taiwan. Did the some Chinese general who sounded just like you not proclaim the day any US warship passed near Taiwan would be the day the PLA occupied Taiwan. Great, where is the victorious PLA armada? They must be in your exploding head.
What does who invented capitalism have to do with anything? What does the length of history have to do with anything? You cannot even think straight.
Thirty years ago on the eve of June 4th Massacre in 1989, America under George Bush erred in not truly sanctioning China but chose appeasement. The appeasement policy was further enlarged by Clinton. It have already said in my last comment it was the small superficial dose of capitalism and the hard toil of the Chinese people, and the US provision of its huge market and capital that made China rich, in spite of the shackle on China that is CCP, not because of it.
"體製上的很多優勢,中國不是擺在那裏的嗎?"
Of course I see the institutional advantages. Along with the Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, it has the incredible efficiency and ease of killing hundreds of millions of people the government deems state enemies, with the massacre of the Beijing citizens on Tian An Man Square being just a puny afterthought, or milking the toiling working Chinese for the benefit of the countless CCP high officials so they can send their loot and concubines and children to US.
Oh, right, the CCP is now employing the institutional advantage to urge Chinese get ready to tighten their belt, "eat grass" and embrace unemployment with gratitude towards the Party Mother. It is urging the unemployed migrant workers to return to their farming land. What have you done to be a good communist party member?
You are right.
難得nightrider讚我一句,我當然right的啦。
持續並穩定發展還發達的國家多是由一黨統治,長期坐莊的結果,為什麽?
中國還是發展中的國家,就這個”發展中”的說法就已經讓人感到抖了,要是改天成發達國家了,那麽nightrider就多來點My God,My God吧。
中華人民共和國的公民就是要讓共產黨領導,也隻有共產黨最適合。它沒有排它性,歡迎挑戰。
英國人,特別是民間的人士看中美貿易戰,都笑噴啦。美國怎麽來的,美語又怎麽來的,還不是Copy, more copy.
Idiocy or lunacy? Yes! nightrider is!
Your God, you are more stupid and pretend to be.
什麽資本主義,誰發明的,美國人?美國的曆史有多長?美帝的存活期不過百年,當然不爽啊,還讓曾經的帝國中國翻了身,動搖了”美”夢。
要是我住在美國,我也難受。
民主黨,共和黨再怎麽修憲建製,就是玩不過共產黨,體製上的很多優勢,中國不是擺在那裏的嗎?
一激動又飆英文啦,知道你懂中文,還在城裏回了不少的帖子用的是中文,且是個灣貨,黃香蕉。不過沒關係,什麽文都擋不住高科技。
什麽知識產權,什麽貿易戰,都扯蛋。
在軍事準裝備上誰在講知識產權,小心腦袋開花。
貿易戰傷了百姓,但傷不了政客。
三十年前,美國就要給窮困潦倒的中國經濟製裁,結果中國還不是好好的,現在不是更好了嗎?
The sanctity of private property rights and contractual obligation is the foundation of free market capitalism. The fundamental principle of communism and Chinese Communist Party (CCP) stands diametrically opposite of the aforementioned foundation. They are mortal enemies of each other. The conflict is inevitable. CCP can not possibly respect property rights, least of all intellectual property rights. You are right, Liu Xin has to toe the CCP party line because she is owned by the CCP. But you, choose to believe in communism in the land of free market capitalism. Is it idiocy or lunacy?
It just begs the question: why are you still in the US or the West and do you not go back to the land of your dream, mainland China and stay there?
Your statement "而今天的中國共產黨卻讓人耳目一新,居然在短時間裏狂掃貧困,發財致富,把新的neo政治經濟學推上了新高度,人們又開始重新學習,研究中國共產黨。" is another absurdity. It is the hard working Chinese people who made themselves rich. It is only after the communist party loosened control and adopted some superficial policies akin to capitalism, let the free market work to some very limited extent, that the hard working Chinese people gained a small breath of freedom to work hard for themselves and enrich themselves. There is no fucking neo political economy, it is the God damn good old free market capitalism, that even a sliver of it that had made the nation rich. In the process, through not thoroughly adopting the free market capitalism but blatantly holding on to monopolistic political and economic power and egregiously encroachment on private property rights, the Chinese Communist Party enriched themselves through rent seeking parasitic behavior. It has now even gotten emboldened enough to even go beyond its own border and had the gall to infringe on the property rights of the US and other western countries. The trade war is but the beginning and the first blow of an inevitable counter attack from all those who love liberty and the free market capitalism that generates it against the evil ideology that is communism.
My God, you are either stupid or pretend to be. "環看一下歐美的、所謂的民主國家都是由一個或多個政黨組成並執政的,他們都有各自的媒體在後麵撐腰。 中國由中國共產黨執政, CCTV,CGTN當然要受中國政府管理, 其員工當然要為老板說話,這有什麽不對嗎?如果博主在穀歌,微軟或蘋果打工,敢不做其喉舌嗎?" There are so many things wrong with this statement. Who are the owner of CCTV, CGTN? First, the government owning a media company is already questionable. CCTV,CGTN are government agencies. How is a government agency comparable with Microsoft and Google, both are private owned companies? Second, in the democratic countries when a political party is in power or in your words 執政, it does so temporarily, it does NOT OWN the state, whereas the Chinese Communist Party owns the state and its agencies for the past 70 years and for the foreseeable future. As you said, the CCP owned CGTN, and Liu Xin herself. The Republican Party, even if Trish is a member of, does not own her at all.
It is not surprising to hear these absurdity from you, a communist sympathizer.
黑發對不太傻的金發碧眼
-Trish不是金發,她自己說的,她是黑發,她Sister才是金發。
現在則不見得,我今年的學生拒絕Boston College選擇倫敦的King’s College。
-博主的學生今年有這種選擇是對的,也是潮流所趨。
十幾年前就曾在國內跟舊同學,舊同事的孩子留學的選擇事宜說過。有錢就去英國,尤其是女孩子,離淑女教育更進一步。
有點奇怪,這種背景的人很少去保守的Fox News”
-Trish的家庭背景,與保守派為伍一點都不奇怪,這樣的背景在歐洲不靠近保守派這才讓人感到意外。
劉欣當時就應該反問Trish,她是不是共和黨人,看她怎麽回應。Trish的家人就是偏幫共和黨的,Fox就更不用說了。
以我的本科智力決定論去解釋,南大還是強過夜大學的。
-博主是否有點美國式的那種傻狂,居然把南大與夜大相提並論。
隻是說黨控製CCTV, 這應該沒有說錯,黨也強調央視是喉舌。
-環看一下歐美的、所謂的民主國家都是由一個或多個政黨組成並執政的,他們都有各自的媒體在後麵撐腰。中國由中國共產黨執政,CCTV,CGTN當然要受中國政府管理,其員工當然要為老板說話,這有什麽不對嗎?如果博主在穀歌,微軟或蘋果打工,敢不做其喉舌嗎?
Trish的聽觀眾們,不少對共產黨一詞有高度敏感,來個坑給劉欣,玩個花招。劉實話實說,回應自然得體,讚一個。
當年的蘇聯搞共產國際,把共產黨的名聲搞壞了,而今天的中國共產黨卻讓人耳目一新,居然在短時間裏狂掃貧困,發財致富,把新的neo政治經濟學推上了新高度,人們又開始重新學習,研究中國共產黨。