I did not know much about him until now reading, joggle down some naggets of interest:
"Growing up, Nolan was particularly influenced by the work ofRidley Scottand the science fiction films2001: A Space Odyssey(1968) andStar Wars(1977).[4][5]He would repeatedly watch the latter film and extensively research its making.[6]Nolan began making films at the age of seven, borrowing his father'sSuper8 cameraand shooting short films with his action figures.[7]These films included astop motion animationhomage toStar WarscalledSpace Wars. He cast his brother Jonathan and built sets from "clay, flour, egg boxes and toilet rolls".[4]His uncle, who had worked atNASAbuilding guidance systems for theApollorockets, sent him some launch footage: "I re-filmed them off the screen and cut them in, thinking no-one would notice", Nolan later remarked.[8]From the age of 11, he aspired to be a professional filmmaker.[9]Between 1981 and 1983, Nolan enrolled at Barrow Hills, a Catholic prep school inWeybridge, Surrey.[10]In his teenage years, Nolan started making films with Adrien andRoko Belic. Nolan and Roko co-directed thesurreal8mmTarantella(1989), which was shown onImage Union, an independent film and video showcase on thePublic Broadcasting Service.[a][12][13]
Christopher Edward Nolan CBE (born 30 July 1970) is a British and American filmmaker. Known for his Hollywood blockbusters with complex storytelling, Nolan is considered a leading filmmaker of the 21st century. His films have grossed $5 billion worldwide."
Nolan is married to Emma Thomas, whom he met at University College London when he was 19.[9][16] She has worked as a producer on all of his films since 1997.[43][170] The couple have four children and reside in Los Angeles.[171]
Rarely granting promotional interviews about his films, Nolan prefers to maintain a certain level of mystery about his work.[172] Refusing to discuss his personal life,[173] he feels that too much biographical information about a filmmaker detracts from the experience of his audiences. "I actually don't want people to have me in mind at all when they're watching the films."[172]
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The ‘Oppenheimer’ Cast on Filming the Trinity Test, Immersing Themselves in Their Characters, & More
Smart angle of matt damon, despite being on the film itself, looked more excited than us, he was so happy and enthusiastic to explain the movie/experience from a spectator (a viewer). 7:24 - 10:34 Matt Damons response was so articulate and insightful he kept my interest for 3 minutes straight
my conviction was I did not recognize Robert Downey Jr. in the movie as he has been a hero figure in my mind, being a vallain here.
Emily Blunt acted as "Kitty" - at 29 YO, got 4 husbands! 23:15 It's really not cliche to say: behind every strong man is a stronger woman. This movie, the Oppenheimer husband and wife dynamic, defines that figure of speech perfectly.
I fully agreed on "@therunner8733. 1 month ago (edited). It’s one of those rare films. You walk away and your head is absolutely spinning. I genuinely had a headache after watching it (don’t let that put you off though). It just had so much weight, so much suspense, and so many fantastic performances. It’s such an important film. It’s about accountability, ethics, brilliance, genius, innovation, infidelity, marriage, opening a door you can’t close, and about being the hero one day, and the villain the next. Completely fair to argue that he was both. You can’t deal in absolutes here. There’s a lot of grey. Masterpiece"
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A real class act by the interviewer Jacqueline Coley. She knew the relevant details about the movie as well as Oppenheimer's life and posed topical, meaningful, and intelligent questions that kept everyone interested, all while switching effortlessly from one person to another. Overall, she struck a fine balance giving everyone their moment in the sun, without letting anyone overpower or dominate the conversation. Those are some of the smartest people in the room and to hold their own against them in something they've worked on is phenomenal. Quality stuff!"
0:48: Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss.3:54: The cast discusses their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the depth of their characters in the film.8:01: The actors discuss their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the importance of the film's story.12:06: The director and actors discuss the process of making the film and the use of IMAX format.16:53: The format of storytelling in cinema is a powerful tool for capturing the complexity and humanity of characters and exploring ethical dilemmas.19:52: The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance.23:31: The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction.27:50: The director hopes the film leaves the audience with resonances, interesting questions, and emotional sensations.Recap by Tammy AI
*** My thoughts came upon the movie:
thinking is hard, so most people just follow.
‘Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge’
This famous second quote from Carl Jung (which has been queried as whether entirely accurate) is simple - Clearly, others affect our behavior.
One reason for this is that we live in a complex world. We use the decisions of others as a heuristic, or mental shortcut, to navigate our lives. [顯然，其他人會影響我們的行為。 原因之一是我們生活在一個複雜的世界。 我們利用他人的決定作為啟發式或心理捷徑來引導我們的生活。]
One thought came to me at night is below:
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Resources: the top 10 quotes and why?
The driver, the central theme:
#1--"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
J. Robert Oppenheimer
[Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer]
Taken from the Hindu sacred text the Bhagavad Gita, this infamous quote has been closely connected to the real-life Oppenheimer. Originally, he stated these words 20 years after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings on an NBC News documentary entitled The Decision to Drop the Bomb.
In the film, it is spoken twice: once in a sex scene with Jean Tatlock and later in the breathless wake of the Trinity test. The quote bookends Oppenheimer’s journey, showing the transition from his idyllic intellectual desires to his confrontation with the lived truth behind the words.
[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyfyotBPioOppenheimer And Jean Tatlock Relationship Explained By Christopher Nolan: the importance of the sex scene in Oppenheimer, the first one ever to be featured in one of his films.
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There's a moment in Oppenheimer where they write out the expected yield of the bombers being thousands to millions of tons and Oppenheimer literally says I'm not saying that... How about kilotons. I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!! You're a dilettante, a womanizer, unstable, theatrical, neurotic. Omg he's literally me. I did not think the sex scene was weird even though apparently everyone else does and I'm now questioning various things.
The actual atomic bomb scene was some other worldly horror that literally froze the entire audience The guy who invented the concept of an ICBM is portrayed as like a real psycho and creep, which I don't know if it's true, but it's kind of hilarious. He talks about watching v2's land on the city he was hiding out in and describes how he'd dreamed of putting an atomic bomb on top of one of those missiles.
Also, when you add in the neurosis the womanizing, the sort of underlying uncertainty over whether he's a horrendous criminal with a guilt complex or a good and noble man and the cool Cillian Murphy behavior. I think we've just got another literally me that people will be making YouTube edits of for years. That's gonna be weird.
#2--"Why won't you fight?"
Katherine "Kitty" Oppenheimer
[Emily Blunt and Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer]
Image via Universal Studios
Emily Blunt’s Kitty Oppenheimer is the underlying heartbeat of the film. A woman struggling to stand idly by as history consumes her, she repeats this line to her husband throughout, challenging him to write his own record of history.
The answer to the posed question holds clarity to Oppenheimer’s character, especially his moral attitudes following the Trinity test. He is a shell of a man, as seen in the horrifying gymnasium speech, and finding the courage to object to history as it’s being written is at the very core of this quote.
#3--"I believe we did."
J. Robert Oppenheimer
[Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer.]
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The shattering final words of Christopher Nolan’s screenplay find Oppenheimer admitting to Albert Einstein (Tom Conti) that he views his actions as changing the world for the worse. His act of discovery led humanity down a dark path with no escape.
Reserved yet wholly impactful, the entire film approaches this moment when Oppenheimer finally admits the danger in his creation. As he looks at the ripples in the rain, he begins to understand the reality ahead of him, both in his lifetime and in history’s memory. A stunning quote that captures Oppenheimer’s central tenets with power, poise, and prestige.
#5--"Hiroshima isn't about you."
President Harry S. Truman
[Cillian Murphy as J. Robert Oppenheimer in 'Oppenheimer' ]
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One of the more devastating lines from the film, after the bombings in Japan, has branded Oppenheimer “The Father of the Atomic Bomb,” he goes to visit President Truman (Gary Oldman). When he tells the 33rd President he has “blood on his hands,” Truman stiffly responds with this callous quote.
What’s so ugly about this exchange, ending with another distressing line when Truman interjects “Don’t let the crybaby back in here,” is that nobody, not even the President, truly understood the weight of what Oppenheimer had to endure – and, more importantly, the weight of what they have all done.
#7--"Is anyone ever going to tell the truth?"
J. Robert Oppenheimer
[Jason Clarke in Oppenheimer]
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As William Borden reads his inaccurate and inflammatory attack letter at the behest of the Gray Board and Roger Robb (Jason Clarke), Oppenheimer quietly utters this line to his attorney.
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The startling realization that dawns on Oppenheimer during his private trial that ultimately took away his security clearance is their ambivalence to the truth. It’s an example of when he recognizes his own naïveté and is shaken by the perils of the new world he finds himself in.
#8. "Power stays in the shadows."
Lewis Strauss
Lewis Strauss instantly became an iconic villain standing beside Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher) in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest and Noah Cross (John Huston) in Chinatown. Robert Downey Jr.'s assured performance crafted a believable opportunist, horrific for how common his breed of politician is to this day.
This quote may as well be Strauss’ thesis, which is fitting given the black-and-white visual identity his scenes have. It’s a cold line that represents his objective and ultimately explains his downfall when he tries to emerge from the shadows unscathed after his manipulative actions against Oppenheimer.
Lewis StraussSpoken by Lewis Strauss (Robert Downey Jr.) during his duplicitous meeting with William Borden (David Dastmalcian) when planning their attack letter on Oppenheimer, this quote embodies Strauss’ personal justification for tearing down Oppenheimer’s social stature and solidifies him as an unforgettable villain from the movie.
It’s a line that epitomizes Strauss’ professional pursuits. Later, he states the line again when he realizes his chance at becoming Commerce Secretary is unlikely after Dr. David Hill’s (Rami Malek) congressional appearance. Much like how “I am become Death” is the bookend for Oppenheimer’s growth, this line is the same for Strauss.
#4--"You don't get to commit sin, and then ask all of us to feel sorry for you when there are consequences."
Katherine "Kitty" Oppenheimer
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After the news of Jean Tatlock’s (Florence Pugh) suspected suicide riddles Oppenheimer with pain and heartbreak, Kitty (Emily Blunt) shakes him out of his stupor with this quote. She lets go of her restraint and for a brief moment shares her authentic self, a rare chance for her.
RELATED:The Most Emotional Movie Quotes, According To Reddit
Nolan was unafraid to depict the horrors of this story with the ambiguity it clearly deserves. In his moment of suffering, Nolan doesn’t let Oppenheimer off easy. Kitty maintains a dignity because of this line that most filmmakers would pass up for a more traditional husband-wife dynamic.
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Oppenheimer Cillian Murphy interview Ahead of the release of one of the biggest movies of the summer, Oppenheimer, Simon Harkness from IGV Presents sat down with Cillian Murphy and Florence Pugh! Cillian Murphy told us that Oppenheimer was the most challenging role of his career, and how Christopher Nolan helped guide him through the movie. Florence Pugh told us who her biggest mentor in her career has been and how she chooses her roles. And Cillian and Florence both cringe as they share their favourite thing about each other ???? Plus we find out that Cillian and Florence would love to meet John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix! Make sure you check out our previous interview with Florence Pugh below: • Florence Pugh LOSES HER MIND In Our H... Thanks for watching our Oppenheimer interview with Cillian Murphy and Florence Pugh, and don't forget to subscribe to IGV Presents!
0:48: Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss.3:54: The cast discusses their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the depth of their characters in the film.8:01: The actors discuss their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the importance of the film's story.12:06: The director and actors discuss the process of making the film and the use of IMAX format.16:53: The format of storytelling in cinema is a powerful tool for capturing the complexity and humanity of characters and exploring ethical dilemmas.19:52: The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance.23:31: The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction.27:50: The director hopes the film leaves the audience with resonances, interesting questions, and emotional sensations.Recap by Tammy AI
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Cillian[KEE-li:ann] Murphy: Life Of The Ideal Baddie | Full Biography (Oppenheimer, Peaky Blinders, Inception) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgIVZf_e7wE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEqYWwPwdT8 Christopher Nolan talks with Robert Downey Jr on making movies, hobby, faith. My read was you have to promote your own movie even though it is a great movie. Salesmanship came in many forms. 《奧本海默》小勞勃道尼、克裏斯多福諾蘭回答熱搜問題超歡樂！諾蘭親解如何不靠特效拍出原子彈試爆｜鄉民大哉問｜GQ Taiwan
SAG-AFTRA members are currently on strike; as part of the strike, union actors are not promoting their film and TV projects. This video was conducted prior to the strike.
THE DECISION TO BOMB HIROSHIMA
By Gar Alperovitz|August 8, 2011
Today is the 66th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. Though most Americans are unaware of the fact, increasing numbers of historians now recognize the United States did not need to use the atomic bomb to end the war against Japan in 1945. Moreover, this essential judgment was expressed by the vast majority of top American military leaders in all three services in the years after the war ended: Army, Navy and Army Air Force. Nor was this the judgment of “liberals,” as is sometimes thought today. In fact, leading conservatives were far more outspoken in challenging the decision as unjustified and immoral than American liberals in the years following World War II.
The Atomic Bombings of Japan Were Based on Lies
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The Opening Act of the Cold War. The Atomic Bombs as a Demonstration of Power
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mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam,
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回答: 哦哦，你能把諾蘭說的和我說的相提並論我受寵若驚。可能證明你本人並不是一個趨炎附勢之人，隻就事論事。 由 大兔子張三 於 2023-09-04 17:58:28
say the truth. stay truth. be the truth.
What is the famous quote all roads lead to Rome?
Some say the proverb all roads lead to Rome may be derived from a phrase coined by French poet Alain de Lille in the Middle Ages in 1175: “mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam,” which means “a thousand roads lead a man forever toward Rome.”
All paths or activities lead to the center of things. This was literally true in the days of the Roman Empire, when all the empire's roads radiated out from the capital city, Rome.
What does all roads lead to Rome mean?
The figurative expression, All roads lead to Rome, means that all choices, methods, or actions eventually lead to the same result. In ancient Roman times, this statement had a more literal meaning. The Roman Empire had an advanced system of roads, and all major roads led directly to the capital.
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good interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vU
奧本海默「死後42年還被懷疑」是間諜！諾蘭電影《奧本海默》事件時間整理
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#奧本海默 #oppenheimer #movies 諾蘭表示現在討論結尾有點太早 2022年美國才正式承認不公平 核融合發電能產生400萬倍能量 奧本海默這部電影主要看到他的人生從熱愛物理，到帶量子學回到美國，開始負責 「曼哈頓計劃」的洛斯阿拉莫斯國家實驗室研發出的原子彈轟炸日本後，他開始掙紮，後來他的安全許可被撤銷，還被質疑有叛國罪，最後又獲得勳章...*** My thoughts came upon the movie:
thinking is hard, so most people just follow.
‘Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge’
This famous second quote from Carl Jung (which has been queried as whether entirely accurate) is simple - Clearly, others affect our behavior.
One reason for this is that we live in a complex world. We use the decisions of others as a heuristic, or mental shortcut, to navigate our lives. [顯然，其他人會影響我們的行為。 原因之一是我們生活在一個複雜的世界。 我們利用他人的決定作為啟發式或心理捷徑來引導我們的生活。]
One thought came to me at night is below said well: "我們都活在歐本海默的世界裡，一個由核彈來維持著恐怖平衡的世界裡…"
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感謝JON用非常白話的方式和時間線來整理解釋劇情，不然以諾蘭很喜歡用不同時空背景或不同視角交錯的敘事方式我每次都看得很吃力(敦克爾克也是) 我在另一位影評那邊看到他說，最後聽證會上不支持奧本海默的泰勒或許就是因為奧本海默的言行一直看起來都是矛盾的，包括看起來是民主愛國的美國人卻認同共產理念、婚姻中的背叛、原子彈試爆成功發表感言卻又對原子彈帶來的傷害感到愧疚、參與氫彈設計和研究卻又公開反對製造氫彈...這些矛盾的行為造成泰勒的不信任，我覺得這也是滿合理的解釋方式。無論如何很喜歡你的解析，還有最後的科普也很棒，用非常好懂得比喻讓人很好理解和消化，第一次看這個頻道已訂閱起來，希望之後還有更多理科小教室或是討論的影片，感謝
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vUpVl0
看了您的解說，好開心喲！因為終於有人願意花時間去用線性的方式來把被諾蘭穿插拍攝方式所引起的視覺混亂給一次過理清了！而且是十分徹底的理清呢！ [] [] [] 謝謝您用了許多寶貴的時間與精神來用心地製作這個視頻！我們大家都受益了！ [] [] []
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Both movies released in July 2023: Tom Cruise film doubled its grossed value over its budget, but not
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Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One
PG-13 2023 ? Action/Adventure ? 2h 43m
Release date: July 10, 2023 (USA)
Director: Christopher McQuarrie
Budget: 291 million USD
Distributed by: Paramount Pictures
Based on: Mission: Impossible; by Bruce Geller
Box office: $560.2 million
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Oppenheimer (film) - Wikipedia
The film grossed over $853 million worldwide
Release date: July 21, 2023 (USA)
Director: Christopher Nolan
Music composed by: Ludwig G?ransson
Budget: 100 million USD
Distributed by: Universal Pictures
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演譯心中的江湖爭鋒: 1）利己主義的政治家開始聲稱他們的權力利用了影響力的AB連鎖反應； 2）科學家承擔著普通人的利益：原子能的利用。 3）政客們相互碰撞，使科學家的不同觀點陷入困境，很可能成為一種工具，被利用和拋棄。 4）如何平衡科學與政治的開放性與封閉性（國家安全與人類全球利益）？[1) Politicians of egoistics came to claim their power leveraged the AB chain reactions of influences; 2) Scientists beard the benefits of ordinary people: atomic energy uses. 3) Politicians collided and ground scientists in their different perspectives, more likely than not, a tool, being used and dumped. 4) How to balance the openness and closed-ness of science and politics (national security vs. worldwide benefits of humankind)?]
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“The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. ”
― J. Robert Oppenheimer
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I am quite sure that people fall into the 2 groups alluded to but I don't think optimist is the best word to describe someone in group 1, and I don't think pessimist is the best word to describe someone in group 2. I think perhaps willfully stupid people and sadly wise people are better names.
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?@soilmanted Congrats, you just ruined a great quote told by one of the greatest physicists in the history of the world
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? @soilmanted literally the same thing with extra steps, and dumbed down to kindergarten phrasing.
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@GreenmiIe Yes, indeed, I retained the same verb in each of Dr Oppenheimer's 2 sentences, and retained the same object in each. All I did was change the subject. Instead of optimist I said willfully stupid people. Instead of pessimist I said sadly wise people. I felt no need to use the article the in each sentence. So I removed the 2 article words. But I did not add any extra "steps" Rather, I added one adverb and one adjective to each sentence. Those are not steps. Those are noun-modifiers. They do not describe actions; they describe things. So because I removed 2 words and added 4, the whole paragraph became just 2 words longer. And I think the term willfully stupid people is better at describing what kind of person thinks "this" is the best of all possible worlds than the word "optimist" does. Why? because "the best of all possible worlds" refers to the world we have at the time of Dr O's comment, refers to the world of Dr O's "now." An optimist is someone who is thinking about the future, as opposed to someone who is thinking about a "now." .So it's the wrong word. Sadly wise pessimist is a better subject for sentence number 2 than pessimist. Again a pessimist is thinking about the future. A sadly wise person is someone thinking about the present, the "now." I say "now" because Dr O is referring to how someone thinks about "this world" – he uses the term "this world," not some future world, but this world.
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@GreenmiIe Mark Twain said, never use a big word if a small word will do. It is not "dumbing down" to use a word that is more widely understood, and more readily comprehensible. It is clearer speaking, it is better writing. It is less pretentious..
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@soilmanted yk what, I was wrong and I willfully admit that I was ignorant. Sorry to disrespect earlier and I realize you have a good point.
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As I experience it..
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@soilmanted oh dear... I am afraid everyone will put me in the stupid section, however....I hope.........to belong in the second section (against all odds).
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@annemaria5126 I like to do what I can choose my own group, myself, and to avoid being placed in any group, by anyone else.
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Oppenheimer was a complex man. Truly a beautiful and tragic story and person. One of the most important people in history.
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The quality and effort put into this video is truly commendable. I was captivated from start to finish by your engaging storytelling and nice visuals. The depth of research and attention to detail shine through, making it an informative and enjoyable experience. Congratulations on this beautiful video! Keep making these even though the like/view metrics may not be as high as expected, competition on YouTube is brutal but hopefully quality will win over quantity in the end!Why America Betrayed Oppenheimer
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Oppenheimer is widely regarded as the father of the atomic bomb, but he didn’t do it alone. Scores of scientists were exiled from Germany, as anti-Jewish laws proliferated. America welcomed many of them, and this openness gave the country the tools it needed to win the race for the bomb.
Unfortunately, though, it wouldn’t be long after victory in WWII that America set its sights on a new enemy: communism. Despite their enormous service to the country, many scientists were swept up in the anti-communist crusade and betrayed…including Oppenheimer.
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19:00 IV - THE NEW WORLD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj3_C-DllsM
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Tatlock was portrayed by Kate Harper in the 1980 TV miniseries Oppenheimer,[55] Natasha Richardson in the 1989 film Fat Man and Little Boy,[56], Fiona Dourif in the 2014 series Manhattan, and Florence Pugh in the 2023 biopic film Oppenheimer by Christopher Nolan.[57][58]
Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss. 3:54: 
The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance. 23:31: 
The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction. 27:50: 
@user-kg7gi8jr4z
1 month ago
我6歲時，曾經聽過 我母親 說過 一套，非常 有大智慧 的 言論 ～
她不希望 生出 任何領域類型 的 天才，因為 天才 承載著 太多其他人 原本 該負 的 人生責任，等於 這些天才 替別人 扛下 其他人 原本就 該負的責任，說到底 對天才 本身 沒什麼 實質好處（是天才旁邊的人 或 既得利益者，可以 從中 獲得好處，對天才 本身 隻是 拖累而已 ～ ）
她也不希望 生出 白癡，因為 白癡本身 社會生存 能力不足，會看著 孩子 過的辛苦，父母 也會 被拖累 難過 ～
有時看著這類的事情，隻覺得，大智慧 蠻重要的 ～ 比天不天才，更重要 ～
假設 當然 這隻是 假設，全球所有國家內 都有天才 成功研發出， 大規模 傷害性 新技術。
弄不好 全世界的人 都得陪葬，我相信 人類 應該 還沒活到 這麼蠢的境地 ～沒想過看解析影片也能感動到心
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@heishsteven5342
@heishsteven5342
1 month ago
他在電影中跟外人解釋自己的研究是甚麼的時候蠻有趣的
“這個嘛，我是在研究恆星死亡後會發生甚麼事”
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@xiaoxuaner
@xiaoxuaner
1 month ago
是的是的，我覺得編劇是想把奧本海默被世人忽略的一些發現，特意放在電影中，非常用心。據說諾蘭《星際穿越》的科學顧問，諾貝爾獎獲得者基普·索恩，對奧本海默有著超高的評價，他說奧本海默其實在上個世紀30年代，就已經幫我們打開了21世紀物理學的大門。
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@xiaoxuaner
@xiaoxuaner
1 month ago
這裏借你的評論，我再補充一下，電影中很多小細節都是神還原曆史時刻。奧本海默和學生發表論文的那天，其實是物理學曆史上非常重要的一天，也就是1939年9月1日；但是這一天也是希特勒的納粹黨進攻波蘭的一天，人們的視線都轉移到戰爭上了。奧本海默作為猶太人，也不例外。所以後來他埋頭曼哈頓計劃，覺得這顆炸彈可以結束戰爭，但是沒想到，後來讓人們一直活在冷戰和地球毀滅的陰影下。
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@xiaoxuaner
@xiaoxuaner
1 month ago
最後兩個我特別想跟大家分享的，是編劇在奧本海默性格上的細微刻畫。一個是他的老毛病，總愛打斷別人講話。電影裏的奧本海默，別人都沒打斷，偏偏打斷了總統杜魯門的講話！一下子就刻畫出來了。另外就是他作為老師，特別關心學生。電影裏奧本海默給學生們發考卷（也許是論文）的時候，有特意安撫一個學生說，“你會沒事的，不用擔心。”。據現實中奧本海默的學生回憶，他雖然對同行非常不客氣，但是對於學生，他總是關愛有加。如果學生選了能力之外的課題，他會非常委婉的說，你不適合這個。而麵對能力強的學生，他也會提議對方該做什麽課題。總之，他會根據每一位學生的能力，發揮他們的所長。相信這也是，他在曼哈頓計劃中，能統領那麽多科學家的原因吧。電影中他曾為舊情人的事情，發了一會兒呆，科學家們就吵成一鍋粥，真的是需要一個，令所有人都折服的角色來領導和指揮。（不好意思，一下子又寫了這麽多，哈哈，電影信息量太大了，更多精彩橋段，大家補充吧）
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@tankltan5644
@tankltan5644
1 month ago
結局給我的震撼是 自私的政客隻在乎自己 而偉大的科學家在乎的是全人類的命運
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@Yangtom19
@Yangtom19
1 month ago (edited)
奧本海默算是一個極富悲劇性的人物，在那個美國審查最嚴格的年代，奧本海默成了一個受迫害的對象。
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@annacheng8627
@annacheng8627
1 month ago (edited)
原來奧本海默的太太最後自殺了！整部劇最傷心的一幕是他太太對奧本海默說的那句話「你做這一切會讓你減輕自己的罪惡感嗎？」，這個角色的女演員真的演得很好，有希望得奧斯卡女配角。經過人物解析總算有點頭緒了。
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@willyhsu4485
@willyhsu4485
1 month ago
是女兒自殺
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@murriswonderland7408
@murriswonderland7408
3 weeks ago
自殺的是情婦
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@elizabethii3448
@elizabethii3448
5 days ago
@murriswonderland7408 情婦也是自殺的，那又是另外一個故事了。
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@user-pp8fx2iz2d
@user-pp8fx2iz2d
1 month ago (edited)
解說得很棒 對於背景不瞭解 少了很多觀影感受
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@user-ug5gi2zx3p
@user-ug5gi2zx3p
1 month ago
目前所有解說說最好的！
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@GOD-sp2sx
@GOD-sp2sx
1 month ago
崇高之上 Above Majestic 這部紀錄片第一個出現的人物就是 奧本海默 本人 ，網路上可以免費看，如果你有看到電影中提到的年輕人甘迺迪，一定要看真相發生了什麼事，別懷疑是紀錄片。
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@fangxu2
@fangxu2
1 month ago
提個隻露了一臉的冷門人物 歌德爾 發現不完備理論的數學傳奇 電影中奧本海默拿著核彈試驗有可能引起大氣中物質連鎖反應的計算草稿去找愛因斯坦時 愛因斯塔正在和歌德爾在林中散步 兩人在曆史上確實是好友 在普林斯頓經常一起散步 討論時間旅行的數學可能性
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@NovicChou
@NovicChou
1 month ago (edited)
在美國看了無字幕版 幾乎都聽不懂
感謝解說
希望可以介紹黑白畫麵史特勞斯主演的部分
聽證會幾乎都聽得懂
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@evonne5872
@evonne5872
1 month ago
看完這個電影解析。讓我感動之餘想再二刷了。謝謝
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@enrouchen9522
@enrouchen9522
1 month ago
你的解說很用心 看完更理解電影
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@user-tv1vd8tb9d
@user-tv1vd8tb9d
1 month ago (edited)
看了好幾個影評，這個影片雖然內容不算豐富，但簡潔明瞭，剛好補完電影的內容，最推薦。
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@noelska119
@noelska119
1 month ago
你們講電影的水平真的蠻好的！
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@user-te2pe5qm8o
@user-te2pe5qm8o
1 month ago
很流暢的腳本，加分
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@meilinfeidao
@meilinfeidao
1 month ago
今天看了這部電影，幾位主演演員確實非常不錯
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@tonymontana9221
@tonymontana9221
1 month ago
個人感覺電影可以在交代任務上下一點功夫的。我看完整部電影，很多人（除了Ernest Lawrence）具體是幹什麽的我看完之後迷糊得不行，連最後費曼出現過都是查IMDB才知道的。至於其他方麵，滿分不過分.
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@angie6506
@angie6506
1 month ago
講得好棒 感動
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@luijohn1548
@luijohn1548
1 month ago
精彩介紹
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@zorro4266
@zorro4266
1 month ago
奧本海默的根本問題是模糊了“群己權界”。
1、作為一個學者可以有自己的傾向，但作為一個可以絕密武器的領導者放任下麵的人員出賣情報。
他是知道團隊裏有間諜嫌疑的，在1944年特意調離了幾個人的崗位。
2、1943年4月後的匯報安全保密工作時候，前後有至少8次的不同版本。這才是導致奧本海默被取消接觸國家機密的資格，而不是之前的人生經曆（我看見很多影評都把這個作為主要）。
如果是之前的人生，早就在進入曼哈頓計劃時候就被剔除了。最主要的問題就是1943年4月後，作為一個機密機構的領導者隱瞞安全問題，這是重大的責任事故。
3、美國處理奧本海默事件是合情合理合法的。
在隱瞞安全問題時候的奧本海默本人證詞，完全可以被檢方提告偽證罪或者妨礙司法。
當時的美國政府並沒有這麽做，而是按照“群己權界”原則處理。作為科學家可以有自己的政治觀念，去大學任教和宣傳自己思想。但不可以繼續擔任國家機密機構的領導者。
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@kan8900431
@kan8900431
1 month ago
解釋的真好
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@LerhChang
@LerhChang
1 month ago
襲擊並摧毀納粹德國在挪威的重水工廠的，是英國突擊隊和挪威地下反抗軍。美國的格羅斯將軍不可能率領美軍幹這個任務。
@benlohloh
1 month ago
整部電影就是諸葛亮哭周瑜的大戲 前部是奧本故意挑起STRAUSS的種種不爽 然後以各種的高智商和情商應對各種的政治形勢的迫害 為什麽奧本要這樣做 就為了表現聰明過人 看不起不懂物理的STRAUSS 自己也有能力挑戰和碾壓權力 後半段更精彩了 偉人的身份被奠定了之後 就是各種的自我洗白 最大的凶手轉身成為了曼哈頓最大的受害者 在總統和全球麵前聲淚俱下的演出大龍鳳 至今為止 周瑜身邊的人都認為是周瑜太小氣了 那是因為諸葛亮的演技和奧本本人一樣好 以至於大家都忘了他是一位心理有缺陷 有陰暗麵且有殺心的人
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@user-lu2ph9uh1x
@user-lu2ph9uh1x
1 month ago
氫彈是核融合欸
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@heavysnow7
@heavysnow7
1 month ago
楊振寧是氫彈之父泰勒的學生
@mylifeisbright9717
1 month ago (edited)
我沒認出小勞勃道尼耶想說這個討厭的政客怎麼有幾分眼熟
這部電影人物真的有夠多,看的時候有點吃力
@881wuzu2
1 month ago (edited)
感謝整理,昨天看完真的對裡麵超多的角色感到很混亂,雖然隻介紹了幾個,但這樣聽下來還是清楚多了. 另外我也很同意,終於看到一部電影,是繼鋼鐵人後,小勞勃道尼掙脫了東尼史塔克這個角色,真正地演活了另一個角色,不然,在此之前,我看每部小勞勃道尼演的片,都像是東尼史塔克穿越時空,去作偵探,律師,餐車老闆...等
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@kokasou
@kokasou
1 month ago
昨天看完奧本海默，才發現主題真的不是原子彈試爆，而是奧本海默的內心糾結與官場的勾心鬥角。無奈電影篇幅有限、涉及人物眾多，對於未了解這段歷史的我無法好好感受電影最後的一小時。正好你的頻道為我補上了困惑。期待之後的人物介紹，以至深挖這一段歷史，讓更多像我這般的觀眾能更加理解這部電影。@garethcai5179
@garethcai5179
1 month ago
考量到Strauss本人的軍事背景 個人認為真要說他是本作唯一惡棍的話有失公允
對應Strauss說出的那句The Power stays in the shadow 就不能不提到當代權力最高的聯邦調查局首任局長J.Edgar Hoover
畢竟沒有Hoover的允許跟合作, Strauss就不可能有完整度這麼高的黑資料流出到Borden手上
總計Straus針對Oppenheimer的布局觀察如下:
1.說服Hoover展開對Oppenheimer的跟監.並在招募其進普林斯頓就近監視同時呈報給聯邦調查局
2.策動時代雜誌炒熱奧本海默的名氣
3.聯合軍係的Nichos，推翻Oppenheimer的安全權限並營造他必須設立聽證會審查的情境
4.把黑資料交由Borden,讓其致信給聯邦調查局並順手洗脫Strauss的直接嫌疑
5.利用Hoover的影響力以及Robb的極端審問手法導致Groves在聽證會上無法做出有利於Oppenheimer陳述 @yu-shan33
2 weeks ago
受到資料整理的用心~尤其還連結過去Oppenheimer被訪問的紀錄，oppie嘴上說這是當時最好的決定，但他的眼神竟是如此的自責跟傷心....#反戰~人類最不需要的是政黨政客。
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@kellychialichang
@kellychialichang
1 month ago
從諾蘭的電影學習、也認識很多很多，如原子彈的發明者及深度思考的重要性
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@lohahben9899
@lohahben9899
1 month ago
這部電影真的沒有那麽複雜 純粹就是奧本對Strauss不懂原子物理學而不斷各種藐視他 本片最大的受害者其實是Strauss
在受到Strauss利用權限攻擊期間 奧本的高智力和高情商應對才是整部電影最精彩的部分 如果說基利安的演技好 還不如奧本本人的一半
除了反轉態度為自己的行為洗白 成為曼哈頓計劃的核心人物到受害者 還聲淚俱下的拍片用宗教教義忽悠了全世界
他的智力除了玩轉原子物理世界 他也能操弄人心 別忘了他是曾經想毒害老師的人 在我們覺得他是受害者時 他正拿著煙鬥 心裏正下著一盤棋 這是續黑暗騎士的小醜之後 第二位高智商的諾蘭電影角色
奧本海默 太聰明了
核爆再精彩 也不如他的心理世界那麽豐富
奧本海默 真的很好看 第一次看不懂 第二次看懂了 準備三刷純粹享受演員演技
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602,536 views Jul 23, 2023 #奧本海默 #RDJ #ChristopherNolan
2023 年電影《奧本海默》的小勞勃·道尼（Robert Downey Jr）和導演克裏斯多福·諾蘭（Christopher Nolan）回答了他們在網絡上最熱搜的問題。諾蘭如何拍攝核彈爆炸？ 道尼是如何成為鋼鐵人的？ 如果是諾蘭來執導的《復仇者聯盟》會怎麼樣？ 觀看他們回答這些問題以及更多！
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【互動內容】
00:00 三位主播分享映後感受
26:43 【觀眾互動】《奧本海默》和其他同題材電影的相似與不同處
30:19 【觀眾互動】電影聲音也太大了，看完我耳蝸都在疼
36:44 【觀眾互動】仿佛《哥本哈根》的鏡像一樣，《奧本海默》就像一個芭比與馬的故事？
40:30 【觀眾互動】影中女性角色的力量，在審視廳的妻子給了我很深的印象
43:56 【觀眾互動】三個小時電影太拖遝？劇情非主線的內容有沒有存在的必要性
51:59 【觀眾互動】聲音太響可能是影院的鍋
54:40 【觀眾互動】好片才要反複咀嚼，劇情太複雜一遍可能看不懂
1:01:21【觀眾互動】 這是我看過諾蘭最好的電影，沒錯我就是被“美強慘”給拿捏了
1:05:24 【觀眾互動】 在麥卡錫主義的環境下，奧本海默我覺得是幸運的
1:09:53 【觀眾互動】 諾蘭的“殉道者”執念，是喜歡最美逆行者人設嗎？
1:11:42【觀眾互動】奧本海默是惹人厭的渣男人設嗎？有關英雄私德的思考和批判
1:15:04 【觀眾互動】把核能比作“潘多拉魔盒”，也是導演諾蘭的一種警示
毛澤東為什麽從來不想讓毛岸英從政、接班？
美國海軍陸戰隊的官方戰史：所謂中共軍隊的“人海戰術”，“再沒有比這更不真實的了”（有人不承認中文，那就加附英語原始文獻）
蒙古輕騎何以以少勝多擊敗歐洲重裝騎兵，並以日均60或90公裏的速度進占歐洲大地
中西古代學者筆下的匈奴人長相
要正確地了解孫中山、袁世凱、北洋軍閥，不得不看《中國近百年政治史》——材料豐富、敘事準確、分析透徹、評價公允
迄今已知的黑洞的體積到底有多大？——科普一下“史瓦西半徑”
美陸戰1師能逃命，是因為宋時輪沒有遵循毛澤東指導的兵力部署
本人在此辟謠多次，居然還有人在傳播“劉伯承長津湖講話”、“第9兵團沒有冬衣”、“中共之前不宣傳長津湖”的低劣謠言！暈！！
遲到了半個世紀的諾貝爾物理學獎——論文被導師撕毀，成果被學界抨擊打壓，他蟄伏50年終被諾獎認可（ZT）
抗日戰爭一大謠言——八路軍大規模種鴉片（轉）
您的位置： 文學城 ? 論壇 ? 幾曾回首 ? 呼喚和平與理性！無論現在還是過去，投原子彈、屠殺平民都是恐怖主義行為，原始野蠻愚昧！——曆史知識：杜魯門為什麽投原子彈？
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? 扔貧鈾彈也是，影響環境幾百年 -英二- 給 英二 發送悄悄話 英二 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 09/07/2023 postreply 23:30:30
? 羅列了對自己有利的語錄。白雲兄沒有自己的文字。頗為遺憾。-：） -有言- 給 有言 發送悄悄話 有言 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 02:36:12
? 用事實講話！而且那麽簡單的道理我反複說了多次！你有反證嗎？存在什麽對我不利的語錄？你讓我非常失望！ -白雲藍天- 給 白雲藍天 發送悄悄話 白雲藍天 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (4 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 08:53:24
? 結論是，兩顆原子彈和蘇聯出兵還有亞洲軍民的血肉長城，結速了那場慘無人道的太平洋戰爭！我家一個親戚也在向死的出擊當日 -古樹羽音- 給 古樹羽音 發送悄悄話 古樹羽音 的博客首頁 (224 bytes) (21 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 18:06:07
? 可惜你的結論與曆史事實不符！難道不信本人貼子內容的真實性？事實是原子彈製造了很多平民冤魂，隻是出於政治動機而非軍事目的。 -白雲藍天- 給 白雲藍天 發送悄悄話 白雲藍天 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 18:48:41
? 白雲兄，俺覺得您陷入了人性虛無主義裏了。-：） -有言- 給 有言 發送悄悄話 有言 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 21:39:40
? 你很有點莫名奇妙，我一直在講道理，非常淺顯的道理，而你一直在下判斷，非常幼稚可笑的判斷！有你這麽跟人交流的嗎？！ -白雲藍天- 給 白雲藍天 發送悄悄話 白雲藍天 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (4 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 22:03:08
? 多有打擾，抱歉。您非常淺顯的道理，顯而易見壇裏大多數網友不認同。俺的判斷得罪之處，您一笑了之吧。-：） -有言- 給 有言 發送悄悄話 有言 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 09/09/2023 postreply 01:02:55
? 你代表大多數？屠殺平民、亂投原子彈的恐怖主義行徑，獲得本壇大多數網友認同？另外，你再去理解一下目前全世界學者們的看法吧！ -白雲藍天- 給 白雲藍天 發送悄悄話 白雲藍天 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 09/09/2023 postreply 10:13:13
呼喚和平與理性！無論現在還是過去，投原子彈、屠殺平民都是恐怖主義行為，原始野蠻愚昧！——曆史知識：杜魯門為什麽投原子彈？
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有些美國軍事領導人對杜魯門使用原子彈的決定紛紛提出異議。道格拉斯·麥克阿瑟將軍在戰後一再認為，從軍事角度看，為了迫使日本投降而使用這種炸彈是“完全不必要的”，因為在那時日本無疑已到了徹底崩潰的邊緣。艾森豪威爾將軍、李海海軍上將、金海軍上將、阿諾德空軍上將和英國前首相丘吉爾也持同樣看法。戰後美國戰略轟炸調查處的報告更為明確：“即使不投原子彈，即使俄國不參戰，即使不製定進攻的計劃，日本也是會投降的。”
另外一些科學家和外交家則從政治上著眼來考慮使用原子彈的問題。英國著名物理學家布萊克特說，美國政府搶在蘇聯參戰之前匆忙對日使用原子彈，“與其說是第二次世界大戰的最後一次軍事行動，不如說是現在正在進行的對蘇外交冷戰的最初的主要作戰之一”。美國國務卿貝爾納斯明確地聲明說，亮出原子彈是為了使俄國在歐洲更加馴服。蘇聯學者認為，無論從戰略上或戰術上看，都沒有任何必要使用原子彈。使用原子彈基本上隻帶有政治色彩，目的是為了顯示原子彈威力，以便在解決遠東問題上削弱蘇聯的地位。他們說：“建立美國的世界霸權，是使用原子武器的更大的政治目的。”
THE DECISION TO BOMB HIROSHIMA
By Gar Alperovitz|August 8, 2011
Today is the 66th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. Though most Americans are unaware of the fact, increasing numbers of historians now recognize the United States did not need to use the atomic bomb to end the war against Japan in 1945. Moreover, this essential judgment was expressed by the vast majority of top American military leaders in all three services in the years after the war ended: Army, Navy and Army Air Force. Nor was this the judgment of “liberals,” as is sometimes thought today. In fact, leading conservatives were far more outspoken in challenging the decision as unjustified and immoral than American liberals in the years following World War II.
https://www.wagingpeace.org/the-decision-to-bomb-hiroshima/
The Atomic Bombings of Japan Were Based on Lies
BY TAYLOR C. NOAKES
The Opening Act of the Cold War. The Atomic Bombs as a Demonstration of Power
by Brandon Bagley
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回答: 哦哦，你能把諾蘭說的和我說的相提並論我受寵若驚。可能證明你本人並不是一個趨炎附勢之人，隻就事論事。 由 大兔子張三 於 2023-09-04 17:58:28
say the truth. stay truth. be the truth.
What is the famous quote all roads lead to Rome?
Some say the proverb all roads lead to Rome may be derived from a phrase coined by French poet Alain de Lille in the Middle Ages in 1175: “mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam,” which means “a thousand roads lead a man forever toward Rome.”
All paths or activities lead to the center of things. This was literally true in the days of the Roman Empire, when all the empire's roads radiated out from the capital city, Rome.
What does all roads lead to Rome mean?
The figurative expression, All roads lead to Rome, means that all choices, methods, or actions eventually lead to the same result. In ancient Roman times, this statement had a more literal meaning. The Roman Empire had an advanced system of roads, and all major roads led directly to the capital.
? 這部電影的影響力至少在影壇可見一斑 - 大兔子張三 - 給 大兔子張三 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (11 reads) 09/03/2023 15:58:32 (1)
? 大兔子，再給你貼一個奧本海默的采訪 - 小小得意樓 - 給 小小得意樓 發送悄悄話 小小得意樓 的博客首頁 (730 bytes) (68 reads) 09/03/2023 17:14:46
? 謝謝你。我以前在影壇寫過：科學的盡頭是哲學，哲學的盡頭是神學，有點是這個意思。我是完全相信人類自掘墳墓的毫無疑問 - 大兔子張三 - 給 大兔子張三 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (7 reads) 09/03/2023 17:21:15 (1)
? 人類的存在有偶然性，偶然的來，偶然的去 - 小小得意樓 - 給 小小得意樓 發送悄悄話 小小得意樓 的博客首頁 (224 bytes) (30 reads) 09/03/2023 17:28:51
? 活在當下，哈哈哈 - 大兔子張三 - 給 大兔子張三 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 09/03/2023 17:35:27
? only partially, "罷了，過一天是一天，將來是沒辦法預測的 - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (190 bytes) (8 reads) 09/03/2023 23:41:01
? 演員都不錯，故事也有深度，就是不太習慣不同情節不同場景來回穿梭，導演故弄玄虛炫技了，其實對於曆史題材平鋪直敘沒什麽不好。 - damihu - 給 damihu 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 09/03/2023 16:19:10 (1)
? Filmmaking style exploring the concepts of time, memory - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (4044 bytes) (18 reads) 09/03/2023 16:47:51
? 他可以這麽拍，也可以有觀眾不喜歡他這種風格。 - damihu - 給 damihu 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 09/03/2023 16:54:24
? good interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vU - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (33947 bytes) (28 reads) 09/03/2023 17:42:14
? 有人認為是炫技，而我覺得正是這種彩色黑白雙拚和多線敘事，才增加了電影的觀賞性。雖然主要靠對白推動劇情，但節奏把控到位 - ilapple - 給 ilapple 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 09/03/2023 21:26:07 (1)
? 多線敘事沒有問題，問題在於他晃來晃去太過頻繁，把完整的故事碎片化了，生硬地把幾條故事主線搞成跌宕起伏，實屬沒必要。 - damihu - 給 damihu 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 09/03/2023 22:32:28
? good point: Schindler's List is better - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (8605 bytes) (15 reads) 09/03/2023 23:34:26
? 藝術的表現形式可以是多元的，對電影的欣賞也是很個人的。大家都是agree not to agree， - ilapple - 給 ilapple 發送悄悄話 (493 bytes) (13 reads) 09/04/2023 10:49:30 (1)
? 視覺和音效的衝擊各有各的受眾Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (7088 bytes) (4 reads) 09/04/2023 11:57:03
? Oppenheimer (film) is Message picture or message movie... - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (80734 bytes) (5 reads) 09/04/2023 12:45:16
? 剛看了電影， - 小謅07 - 給 小謅07 發送悄悄話 小謅07 的博客首頁 (173 bytes) (160 reads) 09/03/2023 16:57:20 (1)
? 我也是，3個小時如坐針氈，可我還是覺得這是一部好電影，以我微弱的聲音向那個時代的偉大人物致敬 - 大兔子張三 - 給 大兔子張三 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (8 reads) 09/03/2023 17:07:23 (1)
? Nolan said differently 向那個時代的偉大人物致敬 - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (180 bytes) (23 reads) 09/03/2023 23:38:57 (1)
? 哦哦，你能把諾蘭說的和我說的相提並論我受寵若驚。可能證明你本人並不是一個趨炎附勢之人，隻就事論事。 - 大兔子張三 - 給 大兔子張三 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 09/04/2023 17:58:28
? both 'beautiful mind'和'imitatation game' came from a small s - TJKCB - 給 TJKCB 發送悄悄話 TJKCB 的博客首頁 (105 bytes) (58 reads) 09/03/2023 20:37:28
周雲浩
本人外表平平在此就不細說了，因此我堅信好人有好報。https://www.wenxuecity.com/radio/post.php?act=post_view&postid=20387&userid=3134
“奧本海默”不複雜，看懂這10個細節就夠了
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奧本海默「死後42年還被懷疑」是間諜！諾蘭電影《奧本海默》事件時間整理
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#奧本海默 #oppenheimer #movies 諾蘭表示現在討論結尾有點太早 2022年美國才正式承認不公平 核融合發電能產生400萬倍能量 奧本海默這部電影主要看到他的人生從熱愛物理，到帶量子學回到美國，開始負責 「曼哈頓計劃」的洛斯阿拉莫斯國家實驗室研發出的原子彈轟炸日本後，他開始掙紮，後來他的安全許可被撤銷，還被質疑有叛國罪，最後又獲得勳章...*** My thoughts came upon the movie:
thinking is hard, so most people just follow.
‘Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge’
This famous second quote from Carl Jung (which has been queried as whether entirely accurate) is simple - Clearly, others affect our behavior.
One reason for this is that we live in a complex world. We use the decisions of others as a heuristic, or mental shortcut, to navigate our lives. [顯然，其他人會影響我們的行為。 原因之一是我們生活在一個複雜的世界。 我們利用他人的決定作為啟發式或心理捷徑來引導我們的生活。]
One thought came to me at night is below said well: "我們都活在歐本海默的世界裡，一個由核彈來維持著恐怖平衡的世界裡…"
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4 weeks ago (edited)
感謝JON用非常白話的方式和時間線來整理解釋劇情，不然以諾蘭很喜歡用不同時空背景或不同視角交錯的敘事方式我每次都看得很吃力(敦克爾克也是) 我在另一位影評那邊看到他說，最後聽證會上不支持奧本海默的泰勒或許就是因為奧本海默的言行一直看起來都是矛盾的，包括看起來是民主愛國的美國人卻認同共產理念、婚姻中的背叛、原子彈試爆成功發表感言卻又對原子彈帶來的傷害感到愧疚、參與氫彈設計和研究卻又公開反對製造氫彈...這些矛盾的行為造成泰勒的不信任，我覺得這也是滿合理的解釋方式。無論如何很喜歡你的解析，還有最後的科普也很棒，用非常好懂得比喻讓人很好理解和消化，第一次看這個頻道已訂閱起來，希望之後還有更多理科小教室或是討論的影片，感謝
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vUpVl0
奧本海默「死後42年還被懷疑」是間諜！諾蘭電影《奧本海默》事件時間整理
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#奧本海默
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#奧本海默 #oppenheimer #movies 諾蘭表示現在討論結尾有點太早 2022年美國才正式承認不公平 核融合發電能產生400萬倍能量 奧本海默這部電影主要看到他的人生從熱愛物理，到帶量子學回到美國，開始負責 「曼哈頓計劃」的洛斯阿拉莫斯國家實驗室研發出的原子彈轟炸日本後，他開始掙紮，後來他的安全許可被撤銷，還被質疑有叛國罪，最後又獲得勳章...
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@xyl42
1 month ago
其實看到很後麵我都一直在想為甚麼沒出現費米 結果沒想到戲份也蠻多的 說真的這個真的是科學史上的復仇者聯盟終局之戰 歐本海默一行人放了顆核彈直接結束第二次世界大戰 而且這群人守住這個無限手套讓全世界沒有再使用在戰爭上 卻也一樣朝受大眾跟管理階層猜忌懷疑 長達三小時的電影內容幾乎沒有動作戲分 卻可以讓觀眾幾乎沒有疲勞感 真的是很厲害 我不知道這是甚麼魔術 可能我對於每幾分鐘就跑出來的經典人物還有歷史事件跟科學常識很興奮 但是就算是以相同的程度改成戰鬥場景或者特效滿天飛 我可能都不會覺得這麼有趣 有可能的原因就是諾蘭盡可能在輸出真實的資訊 並且以非常厲害的剪輯能力把他們串成一波一波的不同刺激 一下演員一下場景一下科學一下哲學一下裸體一下爆炸一下內心戲一下政治一下生計 這些脫離了幻想的主體依附於早已存在的歷史故事上 讓演員跟拍攝技術來重新演繹的吸引力，真的比想像中還要大許多 藝術源自於現實，現實的藝術高於現實跟藝術 (除了小勞勃道尼比想像中的還要瘦以外都蠻符合我的印象的 尤其是歐本海默跟愛因斯坦 說真的 這樣拆開來之後真的不意外復仇者聯盟會成功 因為實際上拆開來漫威的賣座係列大多都有用一樣的結構在輸出資訊(除了裸體 就好像周星馳的電影也是類似的邏輯隻是搞笑的邏輯佔主體的變化比較多 一樣是讓非常好的演員極度相似的重新演譯一些已經存在的事情(漫畫 相反後麵的幾個係列都沒有很好的串聯這幾個點的頻率， 並且這個重新演繹的版本跟本來的版本大多都比較不經典也不吸引人， 才會導致整個後麵的係列表現這麼平庸(重點就是不用心 諾蘭用了一個本來很硬核的題材拍的像是漫威這種純商業特效大作一樣的係統 還融入了自己一貫使用的混亂時間序來讓處於三個不同時間的主角達成心境變化的同步 真的太秀了諾蘭 背景音樂雖然沒有這麼有記憶點 但是使用上非常出彩 以後還繼續無腦追諾蘭的電影
@unida1234
1 month ago
其實核融合隻是理論上沒有核廢料，但中間產生的氘跟氚還是有輻射汙染，隻是放射汙染比核分裂的廢料低。
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@user-rv1kk2if7y
1 month ago
幫你補充一下，核融合與核分裂的能量來源都來自於「質量損失」，核融合是由兩個氫原子聚變成一個氦原子，過程中會損失一些質量；核分裂是由鈾或鈽分裂成好幾個較小的原子，過程中也會損失一些質量。根據愛因斯坦的「質能方程」，E=MC*2（能量=損失的質量 [] ?光速的平方）我們就可以知道為何核武器的能量如此巨大（因為光速是3 [] ?10*8次方m/s，平方後是9 [] ?10*16次方m/s)就算隻損失一點點點點質量，乘以光速平方後還是會產生非常非常大的能量！
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[@JasonChen19]
@JasonChen19
3 weeks ago
講到核融合跟核分裂就順便跟大家提一下鋼鐵人胸前的方舟反應爐最大的bug。 電影是說那個反應爐是小型的核融合發電裝置，但是卻是用“鈀”，而不是氫氘這些較輕的元素。 整個讓我當時的物理老師崩潰 [] 。
@daiwan99
3 weeks ago
謝謝你的影片,整理的非常好, 補充一點：1940 年代的美國上層精英很多左派和共產黨員,（電影有演出） 他們很大的層度影響了當時的政策, 一直到韓戰風向才開始轉變
@benlohloh
1 month ago (edited)
整部電影就是諸葛亮哭周瑜的大戲 前部是奧本故意挑起STRAUSS的種種不爽 然後以各種的高智商和情商應對各種的政治形勢的迫害
為什麽奧本要這樣做 就為了表現聰明過人
看不起不懂物理的STRAUSS
自己也有能力挑戰和碾壓權力 後半段更精彩了 偉人的身份被奠定了之後
就是各種的自我洗白 最大的凶手轉身成為了曼哈頓計劃的最大受害者 在總統和全球麵前聲淚俱下的演出大龍鳳 至今為止 周瑜身邊的人都認為是周瑜太小氣了 那是因為諸葛亮的演技和奧本本人一樣好 以至於大家都忘了他是一位心理有缺陷 有陰暗麵且有殺心的人
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@user-fw8wm4yd9r
1 month ago (edited)
我還沒有去看電影：歐本海默。 戰後，由於共產主義的擴張與蘇聯共產黨對美國等西方世界的滲透，所以出現「麥卡錫主義（美國版的白色恐怖）」。因此，歐本海默在這大環境下受到審察。當然，科學家之間的不同立場也是他受到審查的原因。 歐本海默研發的原子彈與核能技術後來多數用來和平用途。他在看到兩顆原子彈的爆炸造成的影響之後是反對研發大規模毀滅性核武器去毀滅世界的。
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@kisaraki88
1 month ago (edited)
一、中文維基裡頭沒有史特勞斯，但看英文版本，會覺得史特勞斯就是一個很讚很幹練的官僚，站在他的位置上，他的主張基本上沒錯（本片中每個大咖講的話，無論正反都像先知一樣，而且後來都發生了），隻是違法聽證會真的毀了他，而助理提了一下甘迺迪，也算是為後來的頒獎授勳先打底。 二、這片幾乎是紀錄片等級，像泰勒的聽證會證辭、奧本海默的轟炸演講、杜魯門罵他是愛哭鬼等等，內容都可以說是一字不漏還原。
三、如果有智障在那邊吵歐本海默還是奧本海默，代表他根本沒看過本片，因為一開始史特勞斯就有嘴發音問題了。
四、二十世紀初最厲害的科學家、政治人物都在本片中了，裡麵有出現人名的人物，包括納粹那邊，個個都是獨霸一方的權威，包括兩個女人與他的學生在內，本片幾乎沒有雜魚等級的人物。
五、原子彈有兩種形式：槍式與內爆式，廣島那顆就是槍式，缺點是很難做出大威力、而且會造成反應物浪費；三位一體、長崎乃至後來的原子彈，都採用內爆式，片中之前一直要試驗內爆殼的原因是，殼中（就是包覆核心外麵的巨大塊狀物）有不同威力的炸藥，要保證核心可以同步被爆炸威力壓縮到臨界，為了達到這個同步，得不斷地調整炸藥的配方與位置。而氫彈的核融合也要靠內爆啟動，隻是啟動壓縮的不是靠不同威力的炸藥，而是原子彈。因此泰勒（對，他就是氫彈之父）才會與奧本海默有那段對話。 六、麥卡錫主義真的是美國政治史上的一頁狂熱，隻是這個國家冷靜得還滿快的.....
七、洛斯阿拉莫司小鎮沒拆掉，現在是美國國家實驗室，專門跑電腦模擬核爆。
八、核融合最大的問題是溫度太高，隨便就是一億度，根本沒有任何設備廠房可以支撐，要等待的反而是低溫核融合的技術。
九、做人不要太玻璃心。本片一切的衝突來源，就是愛因斯坦表錯情、史特勞斯會錯意然後玻璃碎滿地。
@TheBenz99
1 month ago (edited)
老大，您在這裏給了把 超級無敵 的非常鑰匙，把諾蘭在電影裏的神秘鎖給一 一地打開了唷！ 其實諾蘭所拍的電影內容和 BBC 於 2009 年發布的 有關於 奧本海默 之紀錄片的內容非常的相似！如果先看了 這個2009年的記錄片後，要比較容易去理解諾蘭的這個電影就極有可能了，因為好像已經是二刷的感覺！
** 氫彈的結構裏包括了一個核分裂反應的原子彈（即奧本海默團隊所成功引爆的那一款原子彈）來引發核融合反應的氫彈。
** 這是為什麽在電影裏 Teller 很理所當然地來找奧本海默，認為奧本海默在原子彈成功引爆後，會繼續支持他來發展威力更大的氫彈。為什麽這麽說呢？因為當他要離開團隊時，是奧本海默一個人留住了他，並允許他在營地裏繼續 Teller 本身 一開始就要研製的氫彈。
看了您的解說，好開心喲！因為終於有人願意花時間去用線性的方式來把被諾蘭穿插拍攝方式所引起的視覺混亂給一次過理清了！而且是十分徹底的理清呢！ [] [] [] 謝謝您用了許多寶貴的時間與精神來用心地製作這個視頻！我們大家都受益了！ [] [] []
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Release date: July 21, 2023 (USA)
Director: Christopher Nolan
Music composed by: Ludwig G?ransson
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@PakBallandSami
1 month ago
“The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. ”
― J. Robert Oppenheimer
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago (edited)
I am quite sure that people fall into the 2 groups alluded to but I don't think optimist is the best word to describe someone in group 1, and I don't think pessimist is the best word to describe someone in group 2. I think perhaps willfully stupid people and sadly wise people are better names.
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@Rocky-KooKoo
@Rocky-KooKoo
1 month ago
?@soilmanted Congrats, you just ruined a great quote told by one of the greatest physicists in the history of the world
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@GreenmiIe
@GreenmiIe
1 month ago
? @soilmanted literally the same thing with extra steps, and dumbed down to kindergarten phrasing.
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago
@GreenmiIe Yes, indeed, I retained the same verb in each of Dr Oppenheimer's 2 sentences, and retained the same object in each. All I did was change the subject. Instead of optimist I said willfully stupid people. Instead of pessimist I said sadly wise people. I felt no need to use the article the in each sentence. So I removed the 2 article words. But I did not add any extra "steps" Rather, I added one adverb and one adjective to each sentence. Those are not steps. Those are noun-modifiers. They do not describe actions; they describe things. So because I removed 2 words and added 4, the whole paragraph became just 2 words longer. And I think the term willfully stupid people is better at describing what kind of person thinks "this" is the best of all possible worlds than the word "optimist" does. Why? because "the best of all possible worlds" refers to the world we have at the time of Dr O's comment, refers to the world of Dr O's "now." An optimist is someone who is thinking about the future, as opposed to someone who is thinking about a "now." .So it's the wrong word. Sadly wise pessimist is a better subject for sentence number 2 than pessimist. Again a pessimist is thinking about the future. A sadly wise person is someone thinking about the present, the "now." I say "now" because Dr O is referring to how someone thinks about "this world" – he uses the term "this world," not some future world, but this world.
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago
@GreenmiIe Mark Twain said, never use a big word if a small word will do. It is not "dumbing down" to use a word that is more widely understood, and more readily comprehensible. It is clearer speaking, it is better writing. It is less pretentious..
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@GreenmiIe
@GreenmiIe
1 month ago
@soilmanted yk what, I was wrong and I willfully admit that I was ignorant. Sorry to disrespect earlier and I realize you have a good point.
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@annemaria5126
@annemaria5126
1 month ago
As I experience it..
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@annemaria5126
@annemaria5126
1 month ago
@soilmanted oh dear... I am afraid everyone will put me in the stupid section, however....I hope.........to belong in the second section (against all odds).
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago
@annemaria5126 I like to do what I can choose my own group, myself, and to avoid being placed in any group, by anyone else.
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3 weeks ago (edited)
Oppenheimer was a complex man. Truly a beautiful and tragic story and person. One of the most important people in history.
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1 month ago
The quality and effort put into this video is truly commendable. I was captivated from start to finish by your engaging storytelling and nice visuals. The depth of research and attention to detail shine through, making it an informative and enjoyable experience. Congratulations on this beautiful video! Keep making these even though the like/view metrics may not be as high as expected, competition on YouTube is brutal but hopefully quality will win over quantity in the end!Why America Betrayed Oppenheimer
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