美國BBS的憤青拿中國殲10與美F22對比

　　以下在美國一論壇截獲的消息，因看似其民眾對咱J-10討論比較“積極”，故僅采用其中某些觀點分享（粗略翻譯，體諒！）

　　樓主（barba007）：China Release New Fighter. The J-10.轉自

　　The Chinese People\'s Liberations Army Air Force will soon have a fifth generation fighter jet to replace the aging J-6, J-7, J-8, J-9, MiG-21.

　　The new J-10 is a Joint Chinese-Israel operation.

　　The Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) and the 611 institute began development of the J-10 during the 1980s, as part of an effort to produce a single-engined, single-seat multi-role, fighter to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and the Q-5 attack aircraft.

　　In looks the J-10 appears to be very similar to the Euro Fighter Typhoon,

　　CAC has carried out full tests on 10 prototypes the last being 28 June 2002 when Number 1008 flew its madden flight.

　　A J-10B has been earmarked as a possible Carrier-based version.

　　With a reported take off weight of 42,00lb, the J-10 is about 1/3 lighter than the Su-27K deployed aboard Russia\'s Admiral Kuznetsov, allowing it to operate more easily from a smaller deck, and take off with full load from a Russian-style ski-jump.

　　China has sharp teeth! Now!

　　標題：中國公布其最新戰機，殲-10

　　中國解放軍空軍不久就可以用5代（不知道他們為何稱5代？冥想中。。）戰機替換J-6，J-7，J-8，J-9，MIG-21了

　　新的殲-10 是中國-以色列合作的結果。（看來這小子不太了解情況）。成都空航公司CAC和611研究機構於80年代開始研製殲-10，計劃用單引擎，單座/雙座（不知MULTI-ROLE是否為此意思？）戰機替換老戰機J-7和Q5。

　　殲-10外表看來與歐洲的台風戰機很相似，CAC已早在於2002年6月完成了對10種原型機的1008次測試。

　　殲-10B 型已被預測為可能的艦載機版本，報告聲稱殲-10能載重42，00lb 起飛，比起蘇-27能輕1/3，這樣能允許其能滿載從更小的甲板起飛，比如俄式航母。

　　中國現在有力齒了！！！

　　某甲（mad scientist)：There has been a thread already on the J-10. Whilst it is referred to as a 5th generation fighter, it doesn\'t compare to the Eurofighter, JSF or F-22. This seems to be more Chicom disinformation more than anything else.

　　看來已經有威脅夠殲-10受的了，隻要是5代的戰機，就不能和歐洲戰機，JSF（啥型號，菜鳥請教？）或F-22，這除非隻是中共的誇大而已。

　　某乙（MT69）：Ahhhh, something for the US Air Force to shoot out of the sky. （Face:smile)

　　哈哈，美國空軍現在有東西可以練習射擊了。（鄙視此人中！）

　　樓主（barba007）：The only thing that worries me about the J-10 is that China is capable of producing and astronomical amount of Aircraft. They were building MiGs and Sus for a long time in China and have the know how, man power and expertise to make allot of planes.

　　Maybe not 5 generation like they presume though they might be going on the analogy that Quantity not Quality!

　　Do not underestemate your opponent!

　　唯一讓我擔心的是中國已經具備大規模生產戰機的能力了。他們從米格和蘇式機中領悟了許多，能專門製造飛機的配件了。

　　也許5代像他們假設的戰術一樣：以量取勝！

　　不要低估任何一個對手！！（喜歡謙虛的人，但其對我們危險性更大。。）

　　某乙再跟帖（MT69）：If one thing has come to light with warfare in this day and age, it is mass no longer dominates the battlefiled.

　　China could build 10,000 J-10\'s, it\'s just a question of how many missiles the US has, to shoot them down.

　　As mentioned in a previous post, the weapons of the new fighters are probably more important than the fighter itself. Just look at the US AMRAAM missile, it has over a 90% kill probability from 50km。

　　現代戰爭中有一件事可以肯定，那就是以數量優勢來統治戰爭的現象已不複存在。中國可以生產一萬架殲-10，但這關係美國，隻是要用多少導彈把他們打下來的問題。

　　在之前的帖子中已說過，戰機所攜帶的武器可能比戰機本身更重要，隨便看看美國AMRAAM導彈，它在50KM內就有超過90%的命中率。（挺嚇人的。。再鄙視下此人）

　　樓主 （barba007）：Listen guys, the point is not that the F-22 is beter than the J-10. We all know it is. The point is that if China start Mass Producing these J-10 like Bob88 said were in big [email=s#@t]s#@t[/email]!!!!!

　　I don\'t care how good of a pilot you are. If you have

　　10-1 ratio, your in trouble! any which way you look at it!

　　Also, I realy think China is capable of producing these Aircraft on a large scale.

　　They have to replace their large fleet of J-7 and other variants(eg. J-6,J-8,J-9 etc).

　　They have approx. 500 J-7(Don\'t quote me).

　　F-22 Raptors cost US $99.7 Million each to make. In comparison the JSF will cost approx. US $30 Million.

　　聽著，老兄，問題不是關於F22與J-10的性能比較，這大家都知道，問題是中國如果大規模生產殲-10的話，不管你飛行技術如何了得，假如是10對1，你就死定了！另外，我真的相信中國有能力進行大規模製造，他們必須替換掉大量老J-7，8，9等。大概有500架J-7吧（相信他是亂猜的吧）。F-22猛禽每架得花費9.97千萬美圓（媽媽咪，真貴！），相比之下，JSF 隻花費大概3千萬美圓。（殲-10要花多少美圓，請教高人？）

　　某乙接著回帖（MT69）：Uh...the US Air Force has always gone up against greater numbers vs China and Russia. This isn\'t a shocker to us.

　　By the way, the F-22 is supposed to be hard to find for our enemies....thus a few F-22s can easily sneak up on numerous Chinese planes and shoot them down. That\'s the whole point with the F-22....a few of them can take down plenty of enemy planes due to the best technology in the world.

　　You act as if the Chinese are going to fight us in an dogfight like you see in the movie Top Gun. Sorry, but the Chinese will never see the F-22 that shoots them down. This isn\'t hollywood....

　　恩...美國跟中國以及俄羅斯相比，一直有數量上的優勢，這點不用擔心。

　　順便提下，F-22設計初衷是讓敵方難以尋覓...因此，幾架F-22可以輕易淩駕於大量的中國戰機之上，並且把他們射下來，那就是F-22的精華之處，基於全世界最先進的技術，幾架F-22可以把數量眾多的敵機擊落。（開始喜歡這人的心態，盲目自大）。

　　樓主你是想象中國和美國的戰機會處於混戰狀態，就像電影TOP GUN（沒看過！），那麽對不起，中國人永遠不會看見F-22什麽時候把他們打下來，這不是好賴屋....

　　某丙（Bob88）：barba007, indeed! Very worrisome!

　　My fear is mass production. If they start turning their toy factories in to jet factories they will be able to make a crazy amount of these things.

　　樓主，確實！讓人擔心！

　　可怕的大規模生產。假如他們把玩具廠都改為飛機廠，他們就能瘋狂造飛機了（哈哈，笨的可以，還真以為我們是邪惡的軸心....無語）

　　某乙再接著回帖（MT69）：The Chinese Air Force\'s problem is their reliance on C2 from ground forces through radar. If they lose their C2 with the ground forces, then their pilots are flying blind.

　　so, the basic training of their pilots will make it a turkey shoot for our pilots. There\'s only a handful of Air Forces out there that train their pilots near the level of our Air Force and China isn\'t on that list.

　　中國空軍的問題是過於對地麵部隊雷達的依賴，即對C2的依賴（C2是啥？？）。假如他們失去C2，到時就會像盲頭蒼蠅了。（我該補補軍事了...）

　　另外，他們飛行訓練將會導致他們成為我們飛行員的活靶子。外界隻有少數國家的訓練水平接近我們空軍，但是中國不在名單上。（最後鄙視一下...）