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ONE NIGHT I STOPPED TO PEE IN A POPPY FIELD IN OREGON & I HEARD A BEAUTIFUL SONG I remembered the fun, as a kid how I loved pissing in the fresh snow to see the little bullets like golden rain drops piercing through the perfect shiny surface of the white powder out in the cold! It was instinctive of a boy to mark his name on virgin snow Sometimes there were more of us standing with little peckers in hands and competed until the last boy ran out of ammunition Tonight, what I am holding in my hand has grown bigger, darker and hairier with years of hiding outside the sun (also the fondling and measuring in the way a monk or a nun plays with the prayer pearls with eyes closed) Standing at the edge of a poppy field in the center of moonlight and silence I take my time slow, feeling each sound in the joy of pissing in the wide open inhaling the fragrant night & ghosts from past rains in small heavens If you were here, I would let you (not unlike a firewoman holding the hose aiming at the heart of wild fire) control the violence of a man, like a little girl learning to fire a gun . . . . If the body really housed a soul that was when I heard the song in the poppy field outside of town two bodies wrestled as one to the melody of eternity between a woman and her man in the fertile land of love where a woman and a man can truly become one + z.z. 2006 [art by roi james]
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知凡 回複 悄悄話 同意影雲"沒有止境。。。止境就是絕境。" :)

"果然人似隔一道橫空的銀河
笑聲隱隱如三月溪裏的流波"

:)
影雲 回複 悄悄話 我曆來不覺得誰的思想會是思考/思維/思想的止境,即便壓力思多得說過,可以是啟
發,但不是LIMIT。尤其在藝術裏,在生命靈魂的探討裏。。。沒有止境。。。止境
就是絕境。

如果看過JACK LONDON的WHITE FANG,大概也會知道野獸有時和人[某些人一樣]一樣
具備著某種叛逆的素質。。。但生存迫使成群結隊,就象人一樣尋求安全合群。。。
當然說人和獸一模一樣,那也不完全。。。
知凡 回複 悄悄話 我很喜歡腦筋激蕩:) 肯定A絕對沒有要非B。。。很多時候我同意YY說的,便沒有重複,受啟發而言他:)。。。“幽默是水做的”,我想我沒有不尊重或不愛動物的意思,動物也有靈魂,但人與動物的唯一區別是人有individual soul, each animal is a part of a group soul.
“把幽默來分別人獸,好像亞理士多德是第一個。他在《動物學》裏說:“人是唯—能笑的動物。””
“自然界如飛禽走獸之類,喜怒愛懼,無不發為適當的聲音,隻缺乏表示幽默的笑聲。” (水做的幽默:)
所以我覺得幽默詩很難,就像Freedom很難,為一個unchained soul/spirit(individual soul?)很難,“not the kind of freedom mostpeople talk about....it is the kind of freedom with discipline in artistic expression, and close to the unchained soul/spirit...."
“一切的藝術不過是撥雲見日的...風起雲湧, 如妄想雜念, 來去無蹤...”自由談何容易。。。“but, the sense of 自由 is expressed in real 藝術 ...”
影雲 回複 悄悄話
不對噢,任何生命都可以笑!狗就會笑。:) 人有高出其它生靈的,但不能因為別
的生靈不能表達出我們能懂得的,就否認它們的情感。。。這是我越來越有的感受


律周所說的水,大概是靈魂

這首詩歌裏有它的自然美。回憶刹那間的蘇醒後,過去與現在的交織。。。可以感
受到思維的流動。。。

是的,不足以稱自由為藝術,但藝術在自由的翅膀之上吧
LTG 回複 悄悄話 i guess

what 律周 means

is that poetry is not

easy to write --- no form

or fixed languages, ideas, etc. etc.

can take the little boat of a poem onto

the other shore; on the contrary, what the little

boat sails on is a vast body of unpredicatable water ....
知凡 回複 悄悄話 “however, 藝術 does not equal 自由 ...

a lot of 藝術 have very little to do with true 自由 ...

but, the sense of 自由 is expressed in real 藝術 ...“

這首詩歌讓我覺得耳目一新的地方其實是表達的自由,感覺的自由。。。詩歌可以寫PEE,但寫得藝術需要“水”。。。

律周:“水是詩歌的載體”,那什麽是詩歌的水呢?。。。
律周 回複 悄悄話 我說的水是詩歌的載體,通論.同意知凡\這首詩歌我還是以為是智慧的,因為智慧所以幽默\。
知凡 回複 悄悄話 歡迎律周!!!

"To relieve a full bladder is one of the great human joys."

"水能載舟亦能覆舟",彼水非此水:)

"詩歌的魅力也在於它的無形....好的詩應該如水....人是什麽???百分之九十幾的水啊!!!",

the poem itself is "anti-gravity" ... the kind of "gravity" discussed by Simone Weil....

the kind of "gravity" discussed by Simone Weil...."anti-gravity",那不就是"grace"嗎。。。“human’s fOrmless/fOrm, never fOund/nOr lOst”,人屬無形,真的藝術是治愈人,還原人。。。

所以這首詩歌的幽默在於,用幽默用人最本能的快樂之“水”來詮釋藝術至高的“自由”還原人之如水的本性。。。這首詩歌我還是以為是智慧的,因為智慧所以幽默。。。“天為之笑”。。。

所以,律周,哪來的“水能載舟亦能覆舟”,你該不是說一泡尿覆舟吧:))))
作舟詩集 回複 悄悄話 知凡: 幽默是水做的。。。。

律周: 詩歌是條不錯的船,水能載舟亦能覆舟...


Are we talking about the same "水" ??

:))

maybe that is why many people are afraid of poetry...:)

however, 藝術 does not equal 自由 ...

a lot of 藝術 have very little to do with true 自由 ...

but, the sense of 自由 is expressed in real 藝術 ...

i remember that we talked about Love on here before ...that is, Love does not
necessarily mean Freedom ... some poeple Love in order to Control/Manipulate...

but, Freedom is found in true Love....

thanks....


律周 回複 悄悄話 that is FREEDOM....

not the kind of freedom mostpeople talk about....it is the kind of freedom with discipline in artistic expression, and close to the unchained soul/spirit....

that is what i am looking for in poetry.....


魂靈和精神籍藝術之自由湧現我們按奈不住的感覺,詩歌是條不錯的船,水能載舟亦能覆舟.鑒賞了你的許多美文.謝謝接納我這個新讀者.
LTG 回複 悄悄話 i don't know why i chose that painting ... i like its watercolor quality 'cause the poem has "water" in it ... :))

the poem itself is "anti-gravity" ... the kind of "gravity" discussed by Simone Weil....

...人是唯—能笑的動物!!!

in other words, humans are humans because of the "five senses".... but not every human has "come to their senses"....

what is art?

is it something we do to help us come to our senses??

...

cheers!!!
律周 回複 悄悄話 幽默使固體具備了液體的柔軟和自由,知凡\幽默是水做的\精準.謝謝歡迎我,我看了影雲的詩文,吸引至此,又見到你們快活地吟唱,不知不覺就鑽了進來.
知凡 回複 悄悄話 "silly" "romantic" poems and "humor" poems :) 其實更難寫....:))

"this poem is actually a humorous poem, at least i intended it to be....

you are touching on a very important point, or element in poetry, that is FREEDOM....

not the kind of freedom mostpeople talk about....it is the kind of freedom with discipline in artistic expression, and close to the unchained soul/spirit...."

終於明白了,我常直覺覺得很美的詩,常常有一種舒暢的感覺在裏麵,說起來就是自由的感覺。。。

幽默詩我以為是最難的,就像這幅畫,看上去有點沉重,人生曆史沉重都太嚴重,但是幽默減少了人生的嚴重性沉重感。。。:“人是唯—能笑的動物。”不笑很可惜,但是詩歌讓人笑真的是“天為之笑”。。。

老實說,讀到題目:“ONE NIGHT I STOPPED TO PEE IN A POPPY FIELD
IN OREGON & I HEARD A BEAUTIFUL SONG“,我聯想到Miller在“Black Spring”裏騎著自行車,停下來to pee。。。老實說那是我非常喜歡的一段,也是一種自由的感覺。。。我在琢磨的是那是一個"Saturday Afternoon",而這裏是“One Night”。。。“幽默(Humour)的拉丁文原意是液體。。。幽默是水做的。”。。。
LTG 回複 悄悄話 律周!?!?

new friend, or an old blogger??

歡迎歡迎!!

"旁若無人...刻刀...遊刃有餘...氣味蒸發...自然....任性...的....快活....跳躍...."

very interesting observation.....:) not far from the truth though....

this poem is actually a humorous poem, at least i intended it to be....

you are touching on a very important point, or element in poetry, that is FREEDOM....

not the kind of freedom mostpeople talk about....it is the kind of freedom with discipline in artistic expression, and close to the unchained soul/spirit....

that is what i am looking for in poetry.....

so, welcome to share more ideas/thoughts.....always a pleasure to meet new friends and hear more on art/poetry....

Hi to YY!!!

have a great wknd, folks!!!


影雲 回複 悄悄話 歡迎律周 :)

鋪捉到生活的快樂甚至比感受到生活的苦難更難 ;)
律周 回複 悄悄話 隻好旁若無人地讀,刻刀在空氣中遊刃有餘.仿佛聞到的氣味不斷蒸發.一個自然而任性的人在幹些什麽...讀你詩容易看到你那快活而跳躍的筆.
作舟詩集 回複 悄悄話 obviously, zf has benefited greatly from reading Miller....:)

thanks for the candid feedback!!!!

"我還不是一個好讀者,因為我還不知該如何說出這首詩歌的美...."

you are being "qian xu"....any kind of interpretation helps me in making poems.....though i don't care too much about what others say.....but i appreciate friends' feedback on here...


Giono is a great writer.....veeeeery inspiring!!!

cheers!!!

知凡 回複 悄悄話 So refreshing, so full of wisdom…

“淘氣”(反叛),激情,性感,智慧!!!

知凡讀到的最好的詩歌之一。。。

讀詩歌的時候,我喜歡“赤裸裸”地讀,“赤裸裸”意味著沒有思想束縛和沒有想要評判的態度,用心用靈魂讀,“赤裸裸”地去感受,感受詩歌中的美,是一種享受。。。

而說到詩的時候,是一種意識活動,開始用腦子說話。。。我其實很想用感覺說話,但是如果用感覺說話,我會不自覺地戴上“麵具”說話,而且還不隻一種“麵具”,並非我“虛偽”,而是說話是交流,這個世界不是藝術的伊甸園,每個人有每個人的尊嚴自由與願望。。。而藝術就是美,永恒的美,我如何能將我讀到的美表達?除了我個人赤裸裸的感受,用腦子用感覺說出來的話都不能完全表達,每個人都需要“麵具”,“赤裸裸”的快樂在夜與光中,在想像裏,在信任裏。。。
而世間表裏內外,肉體與靈魂,快樂與痛苦,男人與女人等等這些人類永恒的問題就像配這首詩歌的畫,空留餘痕,無能變更。。。

於是我讀到這首詩。。。

什麽是詩歌?

Miller推薦的一位作家Jean Giono的好幾本書,其書名很吸引我我還沒有時間去讀:

“Blue Boy”
“She”
“Refusal to Obey”
“The Joy of Man’s Desiring ”
“Lovers are never Losers”
“The Song of the World”
……

讀完這首詩歌,我明白這些書名為何對我有吸引力。。。而這樣一首詩歌,似乎幾本書,至少從書名來看,其中心含意全都已包含其中。。。這首詩很美很美。。。

How to read, that's the question...

“…Only a few discerning souls seem to be able to reconcile the so-called contradictory aspects of my being as revealed through my writing. (Henry Miller, The World of Sex)”

我還不是一個好讀者,因為我還不知該如何說出這首詩歌的美,但我很欣賞很欣賞。。。謝謝分享!
LTG 回複 悄悄話 !!!!!!



:))


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影雲 回複 悄悄話 watch out, watch out . . . i am peeking at you

:)

very imagery :)

love the fun scattering and joyful feelings floating
in almost every word . . .
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