與此同時，奧巴馬也在運用他獨有的，在總統競選過程中被證明行之有效的發動群 眾運動的策略，通過由總統競選積極分子參與的 Organizing for America (OFA)的基層 組織，自下而上地推動醫療製度改革。去年，整個共和黨及民主黨總統候選人希拉 裏就是低估了奧巴馬的這種草根組織的力量，而讓“沒有經驗”的奧巴馬改寫了美 國總統競選的曆史。
自6月份以來，OFA 和Health Care for America Now 等組織在緊鑼密鼓地多方運作， 一方麵在公開場合大造聲勢，如6月25日在華盛頓國會山舉行的推動醫療製度改革的 集會 做電視廣告；一方麵在基層舉行討論會，打電話，征集支持醫療製度改革的簽名， 給少數尚舉棋不定的民主黨議員背上擊上幾掌。這就是美國民主政治體製的一個組 成部分，選民的呼聲還是有相當作用的。
與當地的幾個團體在6月25日乘車去華盛頓，參加有數千人的國會山聚會。 口號是“High quality, affordable health care for all， this year”。
有來自美國各州的工會團體和組織，Acorn, the AFL-CIO, American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, the American Federation of Teachers, Communications Workers of America, SEIU, and UAW 等， 五顏六色的T恤衫代表不同的組織。.
8226; 頂！！！ -老忽- ♂ (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Co：頂！！！ -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 醫保改革的關鍵是降低醫保費用 -whatiswrong- ♂ (619 bytes) (75 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Clinton醫改的失敗就在與他對既得利益者的打擊太大。 -老忽- ♂ (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 國家沒有存款，如果不增加赤字，隻能打擊既得利益者 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 但不能太大。 -老忽- ♂ (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/29/09
8226; the most laughable answer of the day so far -wxc39- ♂ (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/29/09
8226; We have to spend on "sick' cure it and make it grow, but -MPSocks- (35 bytes) (9 reads) 7/29/09
8226; "sick' economy and cure it... -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 回複：We have to spend on "sick' cure it and make it grow, but -wxc39- ♂ (248 bytes) (17 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Yes ! overall we will have to spend on proper sector to grow job -MPSocks- (202 bytes) (8 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Again, you get yourself lost -wxc39- ♂ (275 bytes) (9 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Whatever ! -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Spending on proper sector has nothing to do with baling out WS -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; MPsocks, it was a typical case of you... -wxc39- ♂ (44 bytes) (7 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Show me URs.U don't understand not because you can't, but -MPSocks- (53 bytes) (7 reads) 7/29/09
8226; if we focus on fixing real issues like health care, close loop h -MPSocks- (19 bytes) (5 reads) 7/29/09
8226; if WS needs to rot through first (according to U),. -wxc39- ♂ (41 bytes) (5 reads) 7/29/09
8226; I meant to fix the loop holes of financial system, not WS per sa -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; "rotten through" (lan4tou4) means WS has to suffer more to point -MPSocks- (203 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 看著你咬著自己的手指頭在那裏嘴強的勁頭，想起了那誰誰。。。。。。 -wxc39- ♂ (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Fantasizing (Yi4Yin2) too much is not good for UR health ! -MPSocks- (96 bytes) (9 reads) 7/29/09
8226; a wife, a life ... -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 嗬嗬，看看你這熊樣兒，犯得著氣成這樣嗎。。。。。 -wxc39- ♂ (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 氣 ? why ? -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; I do feel a waste of time on someone clueless ! -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; i enjoy wasting my time on someone with too many clues like U... -wxc39- ♂ (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Wrong logic! People with too many clues don't need U and UR time -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 其實指出你邏輯上存在的重大偏差也是對你的愛護。。。 -wxc39- ♂ (34 bytes) (8 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 邏輯? Only law prof can talk about law, economics prof -MPSocks- (127 bytes) (10 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 防止你今後到處丟人現眼不是對你的愛好嗎 -wxc39- ♂ (100 bytes) (6 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Get a wife, a life whatever takes to stop UR insanity. -MPSocks -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 看你顛三倒四地引用自己的這兩句，倒真讓人見識了insinity -wxc39- ♂ (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Only to U "insinity" ? LMAO ! -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Agrred ! It can and will be. We have to start first ! -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; If 90% or more people use Gov's health plan, doctors -wxc1204- ♂ (316 bytes) (34 reads) 7/29/09
8226; contrary to what GOP predicted/promised, free market did not sol -老忽- ♂ (150 bytes) (20 reads) 7/29/09
8226; health care is more than just a service,it is basic rights. -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Yes, it is part of basic human rights. -老忽- ♂ (77 bytes) (9 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 奧說絕對不通過增加財政赤字來為醫療改革買單 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (231 bytes) (42 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Have you read the news, he is going to cut $$ from -WXC1204- ♂ (122 bytes) (37 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 也許這可以節省一部分 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Then he should refund part of the money to the people -WXC1204- ♂ (52 bytes) (8 reads) 7/29/09
8226; why? -老忽- ♂ (62 bytes) (7 reads) 7/29/09
8226; because they get less benifit due to the cut -WXC1204- ♂ (0 bytes) (7 reads) 7/29/09
8226; do u know medicare will bankrupt if we don't do anything? -老忽- ♂ (70 bytes) (6 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Are you sure OB's new plan won't bankrupt? -WXC1204- ♂ (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Are you sure OB's new plan will bankrupt? -老忽- ♂ (0 bytes) (5 reads) 7/29/09
8226; The reason why I applaud 08 for guts to even tackle this issue -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; The country will be bankrupt -WXC1204- ♂ (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Yes, if we don't reform health care system. -老忽- ♂ (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 這次集中在“全民”享有，不是“全麵”享有 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 總結的精彩，會借用此點。 -Stillh2orundeep- ♂ (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 咱們拭目以待，看他有沒有這個操控能力 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (0 bytes) (3 reads) 7/29/09
8226; otherwise, medicare is just like a Ponzi Scheme -WXC1204- ♂ (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Sorry, u do need to know the basics of a Ponzi Scheme. -老忽- ♂ (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 從中國引進3億年輕人Ponzi Scheme 就可以暫時循環了 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (6 bytes) (5 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Hahaha ! Ding ! -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 我個人不太確信這張dollar分配的真實性 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/29/09
8226; If things come so easy, it would have been done already. -老忽- ♂ (111 bytes) (17 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 老忽哲理名言 --凡爾賽-- ♂ (0 bytes) (4 reads) 7/29/09
8226; Co：老忽哲理名言 -MPSocks- (0 bytes) (2 reads) 7/29/09
8226; 的確如此。這種CHANGE從來不是易事，但共和黨無法讓人再信任。 -Stillh2orundeep- ♂ (0 bytes) (1 reads) 7/29/09
8226; If thing is difficult to do, it usually is diffcult to do it rig -用戶名被占用了- ♂ (0 bytes) (6 reads) 7/29/09
julia42163 發表評論於
回複jennifer123ee的評論:
I know what it takes to be a good doctor and what it takes to be a rich doctor(both in China and US). I know the difference between treating a patient, cure a patient and to prevent a human from being a patient. I know how much weight a doctor's intellegence carries in the whole health care delivery system. This debate is not about whether you want the top 10% or bottom 10% students to be doctors.
Actually it's a very good question for politicians to think about: whether they want a system to encourage top 10% students to be medical doctors.
StillH2ORunDeep 發表評論於
回複julia42163的評論:
就說嘛，真正的聰明人是做聰明事的。醫生掛牌子隻是為了治病救人。
julia42163 發表評論於
回複jennifer123ee的評論:
hehe, I went to the best medical school and I am not only top 10%, but may be top 1%......
But I don't use my smartness as a ticket to insult people who have different point of views or to look down people who are less blessed.
StillH2ORunDeep 發表評論於
See no point to argue with self-assured assumption. Better check with ALL Harvard professors who support Obama, his economic plan AND health care reform.
jennifer123ee 發表評論於
回複julia42163的評論:
Your comments proves you probably are not at top 10% of your class. Only top 10% or even less students in this country can go to medical school.
However, if you are at bottom 10% of the class, I don't blame you supporting the ObamaCare
jennifer123ee 發表評論於
回複StillH2ORunDeep的評論:
If you havn't not heard of this, I suggest you read more!
回複jennifer123ee的評論:
“most of european countries are trying to privatize their medicine program.
They have experienced it, they want to be like us. ”，這倒是第一次聽說，沒見過這樣的文章。總不至於在美國吃夠了苦頭，尋求變革的時候，有人會願意試試至少10%的人沒有醫療保險的“特點”。
回複tortfeasor的評論:
The problem with the current situation (healthcare) is it gets the worst of both socialism(medcare, medcare and gov subsidize to hospitals, very inefficient and wasteful) and capitalism (denial of pre-existing conditions, doctors are profit driven and not result driven).
The only solution is to create competition to bring out the best of socialism and capitalism. I don't think 100% free-market work well in health care.
julia42163 發表評論於
回複jennifer123ee的評論:
Only doctors should be and can be trusted in this country?
how about police? How about politician? Are they from the top 10% of the class? Even with the 'smart' doctors now, can they be trusted now?
jennifer123ee 發表評論於
Here are my concerns for socialize medicine.
1. Doctors will be compensate much less. Very soon, the only students want to become doctors are the bottom 10% of the class, not the top 10 %. will you continue trust your doctors?
2. medicaid and medicare patients will have to settle with the less benefits. Because there are so many more people need to be covered by government, people who already benefit will have less coverage.
3. Quality of the care. Our doctors will not have options to choose what care to provide to patients, the government does. The government will tell us what treatment will be cover, what will not!
4. all government social programs have cost more than projected, this will efffect whole country's economy. has any government run program work better than private inductry? NO, they all fail.
5. Last but not at least. Talking to some friends from Europe, most of european countries are trying to privatize their medicine program. They have experienced it, they want to be like us.
shangweng 發表評論於
這種文章最好別再登了,實在沒什麽內容.
whatandhow 發表評論於
回複tortfeasor的評論:
Sorry, I am one of the "average Chinese living in the US" who is below the "average intelligence" and think the same as the author. By the way, I do not see so many "average Chinese" you mentioned around here.
好望角駱駝 發表評論於
先把那些垃圾快餐整治一下吧，看把人都喂成啥樣了。
bivan 發表評論於
OB是壓倒米國的最後一根稻草。蜀中無大將，廖化當先鋒。米國來日無多了。人民公社不早就完蛋了嗎？
小鴻 發表評論於
回複new^new的評論:So you think Bush is pretty smart? what is you IQ?
tortfeasor 發表評論於
You seem to be a very active Democrat, but, seriously, you can still try to talk with your brain for a change. This is the wrong forum for you to advocate such propaganda, because most of us came to this country to escape from socialism. Your comment is an insult to the intelligence of average Chinese living in the United States. On the other hand, if you truely believe in what you said, I feel sorry for you.
tortfeasor 發表評論於
You comment is an insult to the intelligence of average Chinese living in the United States. If you truely believe in what you said, I feel sorry for you. Don't forget that most of us came to this country to escape from socialism, which is where it is heading to right now. You seem to be a very active Democrat, but, seriously, you can still talk with your brain instead.
freesia 發表評論於
就一句話：錢從哪來？
918918 發表評論於
Which social class has more obesity? Think about all the diabetic patients picking up by Obama's new policy? Spine, knee, and shoulder surgeries... they did not take care of their bodies, now us, the tax payers need to
包粽子 發表評論於
你得文章我都不用看，就知道你是為奧巴的 health care 叫好，估計你也是沒有醫療保險的，就指望奧巴的health care 和 加稅（當然別人的稅）了，錢從哪兒來？
BO and his friends will break your leg in order to give you a crutch free. Wise up!
There are good or bad politicans on both sides, as long as they truely speak for average folks, we the people need to support them, that's the way how you make politicians work for you other than being manipulated by some vile politicians and caught up in the political game. The way that BO handled the Gates gate showed he is nothing but an empty suit. Americans need healthcare reform, but not the one BO pushs.
wuximm 發表評論於
Receiving adequate health care is everyone's responsibility not the right. Where does health care dollar go? More than half we spend on the people dying within 6 months. Without addressing the fivorous law suit, end of life care issue and prevention, Health care will cont to sky rocket. Now Obama try to cover everybody by taxing the others, is the worst idea, it soon will bankrupt America. Look at the current "universal healthcare" such as medicare ( for >65 yrs old citizens) and VA system ( for Veteran), they both run poorly on the verge of break.
The healthcare reform should address to cut down the cost, so everybody can afford. Make it illegal if you don't purchase health insurance just like car insurance.
Free health care for all is not good care and it creates more waste and abuse just like any existing public run welfare. For sure it will bankrupt country if it passes.
so far from your article, I don't see any "奧巴馬推動美國醫療製度改革的高明之處".
jjj7 發表評論於
OB is a bullshit talker. US will go down in the long run if his policy passes. Everybody will be equally poor and get equally poor quality of health care (sounds familiar?)
與此同時，奧巴馬也在運用他獨有的，在總統競選過程中被證明行之有效的發動群 眾運動的策略，通過由總統競選積極分子參與的 Organizing for America (OFA)的基層 組織，自下而上地推動醫療製度改革。去年，整個共和黨及民主黨總統候選人希拉 裏就是低估了奧巴馬的這種草根組織的力量，而讓“沒有經驗”的奧巴馬改寫了美 國總統競選的曆史。
自6月份以來，OFA 和Health Care for America Now 等組織在緊鑼密鼓地多方運作， 一方麵在公開場合大造聲勢，如6月25日在華盛頓國會山舉行的推動醫療製度改革的 集會 做電視廣告；一方麵在基層舉行討論會，打電話，征集支持醫療製度改革的簽名， 給少數尚舉棋不定的民主黨議員背上擊上幾掌。這就是美國民主政治體製的一個組 成部分，選民的呼聲還是有相當作用的。
與當地的幾個團體在6月25日乘車去華盛頓，參加有數千人的國會山聚會。 口號是“High quality, affordable health care for all， this year”。
有來自美國各州的工會團體和組織，Acorn, the AFL-CIO, American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, the American Federation of Teachers, Communications Workers of America, SEIU, and UAW 等， 五顏六色的T恤衫代表不同的組織。.
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