怎麽給娃做飯健康些?

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植物油的優缺點?用那種油好或者不好?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250530-are-seed-oils-really-bad-for-you

Are seed oils really bad for you?

Jessica Bradley
 
Getty Images A person walking through a shop carrying two big bottles of different seed oils in each hand (Credit: Getty Images)Getty Images

Seed oils like canola and sunflower oil have attracted controversial claims about harmful effects in recent times. Is there any truth to them?

You might have a bottle of sunflower oil or canola (rapeseed) oil stashed away in a kitchen cupboard somewhere. Whether you cook with them or drizzle them over salads, seed oils are popular across the world.

But these unassuming seed oils have become the centre of a heated debate online.

In recent years, seed oils have become the target of countless social media posts, with people claiming that they are "toxic", "poisonous" and, ultimately, are damaging our health. Critics have nicknamed some seed oils ‘the hateful eight' – referencing eight popular seed oils, canola, corn, cottonseed, grapeseed, soy, rice bran, sunflower and safflower – and blame them for causing heart disease and type 2 diabetes.

Are seed oils really the enemy, or is the antagonism towards them unjustified?

Are seed oils connected to heart health?

Much of the recent criticism of seed oils focuses on their high omega-6 fatty acid content.

Omega 6 fatty acids are essential fatty acids, which means we need them, but can't produce them ourselves. In recent years some scientists have argued that omega 6 can cause chronic inflammation (which can increase the risk of developing diseases including heart disease and cancer).

But controlled trials have found that omega-6 fatty acids do not increase inflammation, says Dariush Mozaffarian, professor and director of the Food is Medicine Institute at Tufts University in Massachusetts in the US.

"New research shows that omega-6 fatty acids give rise to unique natural molecules, like lipoxins, that have powerful anti-inflammatory effects in the body," says Mozaffarian.

Recent research studied the diet and health of over 200,000 people in the US for around 30 years. The researchers found that people who consumed more plant oils (including seed oils) were less likely to die from cardiovascular disease or cancer over the course of the study. On the other hand, those with a higher intake of butter were more likely to die during the same period.

Getty Images Oilseed rape is used to make a canola oil, one of the most common cooking oils (Credit: Getty Images)Getty Images
 
Oilseed rape is used to make a canola oil, one of the most common cooking oils (Credit: Getty Images)

There are numerous observational studies looking at how omega 6 effects our heart health – where scientists look at data on diet and health, and find associations between the two.

But some observational studies rely on people's own accounts of what they eat, says Matti Marklund, assistant professor of human nutrition at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in the US. And this, he adds, can be problematic because people may misremember, or even be dishonest, about their dietary habits.

Another way to measure omega 6 intake is to measure the average amount in the individual components and ingredients in a person's diet. However, Marklund adds, it can be difficult to translate what people say they have eaten into certain quantities.

Numerous studies investigating the effects of omega 6 on our health focus on linoleic acid, an omega 6 fatty acid found in high amounts in seed oil, that has been found to lower the 'bad' LDL cholesterol in our blood.

In a 2019 study, Marklund instead focused on the levels of fatty acids in the blood of participants from around 30 observational studies – some which followed people for up to 30 years – and looked at how many developed cardiovascular disease and died from it. He found that those with the highest levels of linoleic acid in blood had the lowest risk of developing cardiovascular disease.

 
Another common accusation levelled at seed oils is that eating too much omega 6 compared to omega 3 is harmful

There is some confusion regarding omega 6 and heart health, says Christopher Gardner, director of nutrition studies at the Stanford Prevention Research Center in the US.

This partly stems from omega 6's role in the process of blood clotting, which Gardner says people mistakenly only associate with strokes and heart attacks. Omega 3, he says, tends to be more blood-thinning. "If you had a wound in your hand, you'd want it to clot," he says. "You need balance."

Meanwhile, scientists concluded in a 2019 analysis of 30 studies that people with higher amounts of linoleic acid in their blood were 7% less likely to develop heart disease.

"Linoleic [acid] might improve cholesterol to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease, and also improve glucose metabolism, which reduces the risk of type 2 diabetes," Marklund says.

Seed oils and the 3:6 ratio

Another common accusation levelled at seed oils is that eating too much omega 6 compared to omega 3 is harmful.  

In the Western world, omega-6 fatty acids account for around 15% of our total energy intake. The average person's ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 can be up to 50:1. However, it should be more like 4:1 to reduce our risk of cardiovascular disease, according to one study.

Getty Images Seed oils are extracted from the seeds of plants, but the process is often industrial in scale and uses chemicals (Credit: Getty Images)Getty Images
 
Seed oils are extracted from the seeds of plants, but the process is often industrial in scale and uses chemicals (Credit: Getty Images)

A 2022 World Health Organization review and meta-analysis reported that a higher omega 6:3 ratio was associated with a greater risk of cognitive decline and ulcerative colitis, a chronic inflammatory bowel disease.

On the other hand, a higher omega 3:6 ratio was also linked to a 26% reduced risk of depression. Overall, the scientists involved in the WHO study concluded that a high intake of omega 6 fatty acids from seed oils is unlikely to increase your risk of death and disease – but say that more high-quality research is needed.

But while some scientists argue that you shouldn't have too much omega 6 compared to omega 3, Marklund says it's better to up your intake of omega 3 rather than consume less omega 6, as both are associated with health benefits. 

How seed oils are processed

Unlike other oils, seed oils are extracted from the seeds of plants. There are some concerns that seed oils are extracted with hexane – a chemical made from crude oil – but there is little evidence so far suggesting that this process can cause issues.

 
Researchers have recently found that omega 6 can fuel the growth of a specific type of breast cancer

While some evidence suggests hexane could be linked to several health conditions, after being extracted, the oil is then deodorised and bleached to remove and additives. 

"Scientists will say hexane extract is normal in food processing, and the deodorising and bleaching removes potentially harmful compounds," says Gardner.

Cold-pressed seed oils avoid this process entirely, as it involves squeezing the seeds to extract the oil – but this results in a more expensive product.

Can seed oils fuel tumour growth?

Despite an abundance of research showing the potential benefits omega 6 might have to our health, researchers have recently found that this fatty acid can fuel the growth of a specific type of breast cancer. The findings may have implications for the impact of omega 6 consumption on other diseases, too.

Cancer cells use nutrients as fuel to grow and multiply, but until now, there was limited research looking at the role omega 6 fatty acids play.

Alamy Completely cutting out omega 6, which is found in some cooking oils, could have a detrimental effect on health, scientists say (Credit: Alamy)Alamy
 
Completely cutting out omega 6, which is found in some cooking oils, could have a detrimental effect on health, scientists say (Credit: Alamy)

But a study published in March this year found a mechanism by which linoleic acid, an omega 6 fatty acid, helps cancer cells to grow and multiply in patients with triple negative breast cancer (TNBC). This is the most aggressive sub-type of the disease, and one that doesn't respond well to targeted therapies.

Previous studies suggest there is no association with omega 6 fatty acids, or a small increase in risk, says Nikolaos Koundouros, postdoctoral associate at Weill Cornell Medicine research centre in New York. But these studies, he says, haven't taken into account that there are multiple sub-types of breast cancer, and that they all differ in terms of a patient's survival and prognosis, and how they might respond to targeted therapy.

TNBC  seems to respond the most to omega 6 linoleic acid, Koundouros says.

Along with a team of researchers, Koundouros discovered in the lab that, when fed omega 6, TNBC cells activate a protein complex linked to tumour growth and progression. Another protein, which is found in larger amounts in TNBC tumours compared to other breast cancer subtypes, is known to take fatty acids and lipids throughout the body and within cells to exactly where they need to be.

Koundouros explains that these proteins, along with omega 6, may also be relevant in other chronic diseases, such as obesity and type 2 diabetes.

This research could potentially inform treatment options for TNBC patients, but it doesn't necessarily have wider implications for everyone, Koundouros says. "It's important to remember omega 6 fats are essential for a reason; if you completely cut them out, you could have detrimental side effects," he says.

Which seed oil?

Some seed oils – such as canola oil and soybean oil – have been studied more than others, so have a more rigorous evidence base.

"These each provide a balanced combination of healthy fats, including monounsaturated fats, omega-6 polyunsaturated fats, and omega-3 polyunsaturated fats," Mozaffarian says.

Canola oil, Mozaffarian adds, has similar anti-inflammatory effects and produces better improvements in blood cholesterol levels than olive oil, which has long been hailed the healthiest of all oils.

Getty images Seeds like sunflower seeds have been proven to contain many of the crucial nutrients needed to live a healthy life (Credit: Getty Images)Getty images
 
Seeds like sunflower seeds have been proven to contain many of the crucial nutrients needed to live a healthy life (Credit: Getty Images)

One meta-analysis of 27 trials found that canola oil was found to significantly reduce LDL cholesterol compared to sunflower oil and saturated fat, while another found that it dramatically reduced body weight, especially in in those with type 2 diabetes.

"Canola oil produces excellent benefits for blood cholesterol levels, and also modestly reduces body weight. The healthy fats in canola oil, especially the omega 6 polyunsaturated fats, also improve blood glucose, insulin resistance, and insulin production," says Mozaffarian.

Soybean oil has also been found to improve cholesterol levels compared to saturated fats. One study found that people who consumed more soybean oil had lower risk of death from all causes; a 6% lower risk for every 5g they consumed daily.

Which seed oil is healthiest?

"Seeds are one of nature's most nourishing gifts; a package of beneficial healthy fats," says Mozaffarian.

That something so well studied within nutrition science has had such a backlash has been a source of confusion for some scientists. But this misunderstanding may come from a "misplaced combination of partial truths", Mozaffarian says.

For instance, some people may link seed oils to ultra-processed foods (UPFs), which often contain seed oils, particularly canola, corn, soybean, and sunflower oils. In recent years there has been a huge focus on the health risks of consuming too many UPFs, including increased risk of developing type two diabetes and heart disease.

"But these dangers arise from too much starch, sugar, and salt, loss of natural intact food structure and dozens, or even hundreds, of artificial additives," Mozaffarian says.

Some people have also drawn a correlation with increased consumption of seed oils in recent years and the rise in obesity and diabetes.

"But if you want to draw parallels with people eating more seed oils and unhealthy outcomes, it's because we're eating food that tends to contain a lot of sugar and sodium," Gardner suggests. He says there are many ways to consume seed oils at home that don't involve UPFs, such as with a salad or stir-fry.

"I'd hate to see people tossing out seed oils because of this seed oil war," says Gardner. 

Ultimately, while some scientists call for more rigorous trials looking into the effects of seed oil consumption on our health, others, including Marklund, argue that there is already a wealth of good quality trials showing benefits on blood cholesterol, blood glucose and insulin levels for the general population.

"Omega-6 fatty acids are excellent for health," says Marklund. "They have been linked to lower onset of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, and even death from all causes."

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我主要用橄欖油 -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:02:17

一半買的植物油(橄欖油牛油果油葡萄籽油),一半紅燒或燉湯出來的動物油(豬油牛油羊油雞鴨油,燉菜冰箱冷藏後上麵那層油脂) -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:04:11

我聽說葡萄籽油不健康。 -羊爸兔媽- 給 羊爸兔媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:15:53

煙點高,所以我三種輪流買 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:17:13

我主要用牛油果油,有啥問題嗎? -Croissant_22- 給 Croissant_22 發送悄悄話 (51 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:04:56

牛油果油不太好,好像是膽固醇還是什麽含量高 -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:06:41

熱量高 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:37:10

問題貌似很複雜 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (271 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:07:59

買可以高溫的橄欖油 -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (93 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:12:05

可以高溫的橄欖油的原理是什麽?橄欖油本身燃點特別低。這個我一直很疑惑。 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:37:57

這個不知道從來沒想過,標簽上寫著可以煎炸就信了 -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:43:11

炒菜椰子油,動物油,拌菜的話橄欖油 -專業潛水媽- 給 專業潛水媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:06:40

各種研究搞的我頭昏眼花, 所以就橄欖油,牛油果油和葡萄籽油輪著用。 -小小試一下水- 給 小小試一下水 發送悄悄話 小小試一下水 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:07:29

哈哈,歪樓了,我們不是合格的父母 -恒媽- 給 恒媽 發送悄悄話 (99 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:18:16

學習日本人少用油,最健康的飲食就是缺油少鹽無滋味。 -Rockeymountain- 給 Rockeymountain 發送悄悄話 Rockeymountain 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:08:07

日餐油不少鹽不少,勝在品種多吃得少,香港也是 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:09:35

日本家庭飲食很少油炸,做飯做菜基本不放油。用一點油還要吸出來。 -Rockeymountain- 給 Rockeymountain 發送悄悄話 Rockeymountain 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:11:24

有油炸的,比如天婦羅。。。 -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:15:20

自家做飯很少油炸食品。 -Rockeymountain- 給 Rockeymountain 發送悄悄話 Rockeymountain 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:17:07

對。而且壽司用白米飯做,用飯量並不小。我也一直好奇為什麽日本人吃不胖。大概是量小?另外日餐最能提供健康功效的 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (48 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:40:27

而且是壓得結結實實的一塊飯團 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:46:22

是,食材多樣,量少,多魚,多豆製品包括納豆 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:54:26

你吃納豆嗎?哪裏買?怎麽吃? -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:57:13

買了菌種很久了,想自己做,計劃是早上空口吃或者和糖蒜一起吃,從日本來的朋友說是拌醬油吃 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:17:47

還能自己做納豆?太厲害了。學會吃了上來分享一下吧?謝謝 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:26:32

我喜歡這個人的頻道 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (178 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:55:21

感謝分享 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 10:08:34

不大好掌握吧,怕生雜菌。我做過,長黑毛,嚇人。 -數與形- 給 數與形 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 10:06:42

怎麽會,天婦羅,烏冬通過加鹽筋道 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:15:40

我有日式吸油紙。燉肉做菜肉湯時會用 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:36:53

有撇油的漏勺,Ikea應該買得到 -羊爸兔媽- 給 羊爸兔媽 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:39:14

在哪買的? -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:40:51

拚多多 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:44:32

日本飯菜並不是都很健康,主要是吃得少。 -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:13:35

我也發現油炸的多,綠色蔬菜少。還有每樣就一小塊那種,是不是存放時間也長?不能一次就做一小塊吧 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:16:11

我喜歡閩粵菜式,+少糖的江浙菜,+西南的辣椒/泡菜,東北油豆角青仁烏西紅柿。。。品種多能開心做到,就是少吃對我來說太難了 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:23:05

想自己做tamagoyaki 買了一個方形鍋,快一年了還沒用上。。。 -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:30:14

抱抱,握手,我也有那鍋,蛋卷沒做過幾次,有時用來一起煎餃 -成功的兔- 給 成功的兔 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:32:51

你們兩個是紫檀高手。做飯也是高手。lol -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (51 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:43:59

日式蛋卷?有那個方形鍋很好做。我經常給兒子做。為了讓他能每天攝入雞蛋。 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (630 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:56:34

自家種的草莓太可愛了啊 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:01:06

每年這個時候要鳥口奪果,今年網蓋晚了,已經有損失 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (82 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:09:24

太可恨了啊。鳥們都好聰明。藏得再隱蔽也不行啊。 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:17:57

日本料理的缺點 -Mike121212- 給 Mike121212 發送悄悄話 (287 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 12:53:28

我家一直用橄欖油,這兩年漲價厲害。 -天秤媽媽水瓶寶寶- 給 天秤媽媽水瓶寶寶 發送悄悄話 天秤媽媽水瓶寶寶 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:10:27

+1. 燒菜沒有必要太高溫。橄欖油就足夠了。我偶爾涼菜拌點香油醋就為了媽媽的味道。 -yunick- 給 yunick 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:24:58

avocado oil for pan fry, olive oil for salad -Bernal- 給 Bernal 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:12:48

大部分在學校吃吧,怎麽控製? -青裁- 給 青裁 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:17:33

隻能自己盡量控製了 -moon*river- 給 moon*river 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:24:55

特級初榨橄欖油和牛油果油炒菜。椰子油牛油果油和butter做baking spray -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (259 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:34:41

但是野生的不太好吃,我有時也買挪威產沒有antibiotics -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (48 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:39:25

你是指挪威的farm raised的三文魚?我注意一下有沒有。可以試試。美國farm raised的三文魚不敢多吃 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:43:44

是。flaxseed含omega 3也挺多的,要打碎才能吸收。我經常放在麵食裏。 -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:45:18

我也吃磨碎的flexseed。還有chia seeds。前者omiga 3更高。後者纖維更高。我每天早上 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (314 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:06:43

其實挪威養殖的也好不到哪兒去。去查一下就知道了。都是差不多養法。不加抗生素的算特殊養法了吧 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:45:49

好像是監管更嚴格一些,都不能頻繁吃。 -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:47:17

唉 我家挺喜歡吃的,簡單又好吃。那還剩下什麽可以吃呢 :( -moon*river- 給 moon*river 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:51:33

我家也喜歡,而且特別省事好做。可以換換樣,吃其他的種類的魚肉,蝦,雞肉。。。 -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:56:26

那天同事又說tuna含汞,tuna sandwich 是我午餐喜歡選的 -moon*river- 給 moon*river 發送悄悄話 (33 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:05:09

那就sardine。這個大概是最健康安全有營養的魚類了?但是罐頭又不好。。。 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:08:01

還有蝦,養殖的更不安全。 -Numero- 給 Numero 發送悄悄話 Numero 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:17:55

蝦頭我倒是不吃,隻吃蝦仁。活著太難了。 -moon*river- 給 moon*river 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:26:29

我們這裏隨時能買到野生gulf shrimp.就是墨西哥灣,呃,美國灣裏的野生蝦。但是這墨西哥灣好像也不特別幹淨就是了 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:30:34

養殖的都加顏色的。食物帶色素的。 -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:53:06

對。歐洲和澳洲都比美國監管更嚴,標準更高 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:10:44

多頻繁算頻繁?一周兩次? -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:34:28

ChatGPT 說 -moon*river- 給 moon*river 發送悄悄話 (14573 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:56:47

它還說 -moon*river- 給 moon*river 發送悄悄話 (17618 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:59:07

還讓不讓人活了啊。GPT說挪威的會更好點嗎? -Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 10:06:47

是啊!這也不能吃那也不能吃,不如餓死拉倒 -moon*river- 給 moon*river 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 10:18:03

謝謝 -香草仙子- 給 香草仙子 發送悄悄話 香草仙子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 10:06:52

少放油就好,我們葵花子油和橄欖油和米油。中午吃麵包就放新鮮牛油果就好 -zaocha2002- 給 zaocha2002 發送悄悄話 zaocha2002 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 08:56:44

上紫檀壓力太大了! -天意悠悠- 給 天意悠悠 發送悄悄話 天意悠悠 的博客首頁 (552 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 09:39:01

-Bailey4321- 給 Bailey4321 發送悄悄話 (214 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 10:01:49

我覺得油最重要的是要新,不能買在塑料瓶裏放久的 -chunjingjing- 給 chunjingjing 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 10:31:39

bake點心一般都用植物油或黃油吧,更別說在bakery買的麵點了 -poppy_summer- 給 poppy_summer 發送悄悄話 (84 bytes) () 06/01/2025 postreply 14:57:27

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