莊子曰："吾" 喪 "我"

 

此乃《齊物論》中言。

吾讀古書注意到吾與我有區別時(有時無區別)，其一是：吾指自己，我指位置。

例如，我國、我軍，均指"我方的''。方即"位", position 是也。

吾國、吾軍、吾民，則是"我自己的"，充滿個人感情。Personal 是也。

Indicating position is an important function and implement of language. As I see it, for instance, the expression "my god" isn't that clear, for, for a traditional Chinese reader, it could mean "吾"所愛之神 or "我方"信仰之神. The second interpretation may indicate a religious confrontation while the first does not. This is one example that a subtlety of distinction in its Chinese expression is not conveyed through to its English counterpart.

How I came to realize this "position" thing? Amusing enough, I was imagining about how to explain the nature of mathematics to others, then the notion of "god" came along: viewed from god's position, there is no need for mathematical proofs since god sees the entirety and totality of mathematics at once. In this sense, mathematics does not exist for god, though god can show human mathematicians every possible mathematical theories when demanded.

One must notice that one has no need to actually believe in the existence of god (in the religious sense or not) in order to see the validity of this argument. Clearly, here god serves as a necessary imaginary position, and this suffices.

故，莊子曰"吾喪我"，而非''我喪吾".

 

 

所有跟帖： 

• 吾喪我，學習了，感謝！ -雪晶- ♀ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 10:47:57

• 是了，呆若木雞也是出自莊子，原指凝神聚氣，大巧若拙。。 -中間小謝- ♂ (48 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 11:43:14

• 原來是這樣，謝謝你誇我，哈哈~~~ -雪晶- ♀ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 11:49:12

• 嗬嗬，現代人講要絕對客觀理性，就是我喪吾。 -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 16:58:31

• 謝兄，很高興你提到這個“吾喪我”。大概十年前我探尋吾我問題，也是從這一句開始的。關於這個題目的專業論文不多， -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (636 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 18:13:15

• 我衹是自習文言，在言不在意，然循其言而偶得其意。 -中間小謝- ♂ (660 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 18:47:39

• 是的。截斷與文言和國學聯係的白話文，無根。德國哲學家變德語為嚴謹語言，類似，中文是諸子鍛造的。善字，就是個例子， -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (122 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 19:57:35

• 如君言，吾可以無礙，我則是範疇。 -中間小謝- ♂ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 18:53:18

• sharp。吾不是個範疇，類似於指月。 -dhyang_wxc- ♂ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 19:59:11

• 古文英文，自如切換，厲害！ -盈盈一笑間- ♀ (0 bytes) () 07/29/2023 postreply 19:35:07