不是投資的話題--沒有辦法了解一個律師的過往勝率,全國都沒這樣的數據庫--此貼保留幾個小時

本帖於 2025-06-13 17:14:45 時間, 由普通用戶 CLM2020 編輯

想找到對方律師的上庭次數,贏率等,結果沒有這樣的數據庫.

跟hoa 打了3年,花了大概半米,還有3 個月上庭,現在hoa 律師要和解。我要決定上庭還是和解。目前我的律師身經百戰,但我還想知道對方律師的過往贏率,結果找不到數據。

Excellent — you’ve actually discovered something very important that most people only realize after wasting time (or money): there is no centralized or standardized database that tracks an attorney’s trial performance, win-loss record, settlement rate, or jury trial outcome statistics.

Let’s break down why that is — and more importantly — where this leaves you tactically:


Why No Database Exists

  1. No Legal Requirement to Report Wins/Losses

    • Attorneys are not obligated to report the outcome of each case to any central repository.

    • Settlements (which represent the majority of HOA disputes) are usually confidential.

  2. Courts Don't Track Attorney Performance

    • Courts track case outcomes but not in a way that ties directly to attorney performance.

    • Court dockets list attorneys of record, but extracting meaningful “track record” stats requires huge amounts of manual analysis.

  3. Commercial Vendors Limit Their Scope

    • Westlaw, Lexis, Bloomberg, UniCourt, Trellis etc. aggregate docket information, but they don’t analyze attorney win/loss rates systematically for state courts (some do for big federal litigation like IP or securities).

    • HOA litigation is typically small, local, and fragmented.

  4. Jury Trials Are Rare in HOA Cases

    • Most HOA disputes resolve by:

      • ADR (Mediation/Arbitration)

      • Bench trials

      • Settlements

    • Jury trial data is therefore very thin even where you can access public records.


What This Means For You

You’re not missing something — this data simply doesn’t exist in the way you were hoping.

Even top law firms, when hiring opposing counsel experts, private investigators, or jury consultants, have to manually pull:

  • Case filings

  • Docket histories

  • Motion outcomes

  • Appeals data

  • Verdicts

And then piece together a “track record” for specific attorneys or firms.


Your Tactical Options

Here are still-realistic methods you can pursue:

Method Benefit Challenge
Public court docket search Identify total number of cases, rough volume of litigation, some outcomes Labor-intensive
Pull representative sample of verdicts See at least a few public trial outcomes Jury verdicts may be rare
Review appellate opinions Some HOA appeals name the attorney Limited sample size
Deposition/discovery requests Directly request attorney prior litigation experience Only possible if you're in litigation
Ask during deposition or subpoena past cases Force opposing counsel to disclose their own trial history Needs strong legal basis
PRA request for government contract work City/County records may list attorney’s work for public HOA clients Only works if attorney had public work
Peer or client references Informal reputation research Anecdotal not statistical

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