Eric Kaufmann 教授揭露加拿大人對卡尼不了解的真相

 

Eric Kaufmann 教授揭露加拿大人對卡尼不了解的真相

Elie Cantin-Nantel 2026年5月3日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eL5vY6QBCc

加拿大給西方世界敲響了警鍾，警示世人當“覺醒主義”掌控一個國家的體製時會發生什麽。

沒有人比埃裏克·考夫曼（Eric Kaufmann）更了解這一點。考夫曼是加拿大白金漢大學的政治學教授，也是《第三次覺醒：遏製進步極端主義的十二點計劃》（The Third Awokening: A 12-Point Plan for Rolling Back Progressive Extremism）一書的作者。

除了談論“覺醒主義”之外，考夫曼還告訴我一些關於馬克·卡尼（Mark Carney）的事情，而這些事情大多數加拿大人並不知情。

購買埃裏克·考夫曼的著作: https://www.amazon.ca/Third-Awokening...

第一章：引言 覺醒運動包含兩個方麵。一方麵是運動能量，在2020年或2021年左右達到頂峰，之後便開始衰落。 在報紙和世界各地的影響力。另一方麵是覺醒運動的製度化，即多元、公平和包容（DEI）政策。 盡管卡尼不像特魯多那樣大肆宣揚，但他並沒有觸碰任何“竊賊”。 他或多或少是在為覺醒運動提供掩護，而且沒有哪個政客真正挑戰他。

新聞與評論一周年紀念。 我不相信政府資助新聞業。你必須重建基礎。你必須重述故事。 真正重要的市場保守派新聞。因此，我認為他們應該回答他們的問題，尤其是一些涉及政治的問題。

加拿大被指控，是對西方世界的警告，當覺醒意識形態掌控你們的每一個機構時會發生什麽。 埃裏克·考夫曼教授對此深有體會。他是英國白金漢大學的政治學教授，著有《第三次覺醒》一書，這是一項旨在遏製進步主義極端主義的12點計劃。考夫曼曾出現在許多世界頂級播客節目中，包括喬丹·彼得森的播客，他最近還接受了我的采訪，在溫哥華。我們聊了聊加拿大現在正在發生的事情。我問他們，如果自由黨真的在馬克·卡尼的領導下走向何方，以及加拿大在國際舞台上的形象如何，為什麽他們還能連任？

我們還討論了年輕人最終如何拯救加拿大。這是一場絕對精彩的對話，你絕對不想錯過。但在我們開始這場必看對話之前，請確保您已訂閱，並在下方評論區留下您的想法，點讚此視頻，開啟通知，並考慮每月不到5美元的付費訂閱，因為與傳統媒體不同，我們不接受政府的任何資助。所以，我今天采訪的是教授 第二章：訪談

埃裏克·考夫曼。呃，埃裏克，看起來2024年11月“覺醒”運動就結束了。 唐納德·特朗普贏得了2024年大選。很多大公司都放棄了多元化、公平和包容（DEI）政策，在加拿大，Pure Polyv公司取得了巨大的在拿破侖選舉中領先，看起來加拿大即將迎來一場清算，然後馬克·卡尼突然出現，自由黨獲得了第四個任期。

他們繼續推行“覺醒”政策。加拿大到底發生了什麽？為什麽我們沒有像世界其他地方那樣看到一場大規模的“覺醒”運動？

是的，我的意思是，我認為這裏麵有幾個原因。我的意思是，首先，“覺醒”運動包含兩個方麵。一方麵是運動能量，在2020年左右達到頂峰。

或者2021年，之後其影響力開始在報紙和世界各地逐漸減弱。另一方麵是“覺醒”運動的製度化，即多元化、公平和包容（DEI）政策，也就是所謂的公平和多元化，意味著結果平等和包容。 這意味著為了避免冒犯任何人而進行的言論壓製，這些政策逐漸製度化。另一方麵，在美國，特朗普政府執政的共和黨州開始采取行動，將這些東西從公共機構中移除，但當然，在加拿大，這種情況還沒有真正發生。 除了阿爾伯塔省的輕微行動。嗯，當然，接下來發生的事情是，特朗普關於“第51個州”的言論，以及關稅政策，產生了一種“團結在國旗周圍”的效應。卡尼占據了有利位置，實際上我認為特魯多在被趕下台之前就已經從中受益了。

所以卡尼能夠把自己塑造成一個精明幹練的銀行家，他會保護你免受那個壞橙色男人的侵害。

對吧？所以我認為這在某種程度上凍結了加拿大的正常發展，並延長了某些人的壽命。

你知道，對於覺醒派來說，當然，即使卡尼不像特魯多那樣咄咄逼人，他也沒有觸碰任何竊賊，他更像是為覺醒派提供掩護，並能如此輕易地融入其中，而且沒有哪個政治家真正就此挑戰他。 他表現得像個中間派，而實際上他是在保護激進主義。而且他並沒有在媒體或其他政治家那裏真正受到挑戰。我認為，如果我們想要看到一些改變，這或許是必要的。 再次。我們談到了兩個有趣的觀點，我會做一個雙重後續提問。你談到了卡尼對激進主義的保護，並且還想問： 你認為加拿大人被告知媒體對馬克·卡尼的報道是否屬實？你認為大多數加拿大人對馬克·卡尼的某些事情並不了解嗎？ 嗯，可能不是。我的意思是，媒體顯然很喜歡馬克·卡尼。 加拿大的主流媒體顯然非常左傾，而其他一些國家（例如英國）的媒體則更加平衡。嗯，所以媒體沒有對他進行審查，也沒有，你知道，你必須把文化問題放在首要位置。所以你需要在下議院的議事廳裏討論這些問題。你需要報紙上刊登這些問題。你需要讓普通民眾了解這些問題。你知道，馬克·卡尼對跨性別問題什麽也不做。

這個問題很荒謬，你知道，男女監獄、男女變性手術等等。他根本不碰都不碰。至於原住民問題，他完全支持“我們都有罪，我們生活在被竊取的土地上”這種說法。他根本不碰都不碰。你知道，他之所以能逍遙法外，是因為媒體永遠不會追究他的責任，因為他們都同意他的觀點。而且， 反對派政客們也還沒有關注這個問題。在我看來，雖然我並非一直都在這裏，但我的印象是，波利夫仍然試圖抓住經濟上的細枝末節不放，而且我認為他並不真正願意說：“嘿，這就是我們機構裏那種作秀。這些不是，這是不切實際的價值觀，反家庭，反一切。”卡尼在保護這些人，但他並沒有。我沒聽到那種言論。呃，也許是我錯過了，但感覺他得到了豁免權。呃，前保守黨領袖艾琳·圖勒最近接受采訪時說，保守派應該遠離文化戰爭問題。你知道，他們確實做了一些，但做得還不夠，沒有我們有些人希望的那麽多，但顯然連這都太多了。對此你有什麽看法？你認為如果皮埃爾·波利夫想在下次選舉中取得更好的成績，他應該在一些文化問題上加倍努力嗎？ 是的，我的意思是，嗯，簡單來說，我認為奧圖爾仍然停留在老一套的模式裏，左派說，你知道，保守派可以談論關於經濟，但你不能越界。嗯，奧托說：“是啊，讓我們做有用的傻瓜，讓左派來管管可接受言論的界限，這樣或許一些中間派選民會覺得我們沒問題。” 顯然，這對奧托來說行不通。嗯，不。我認為如果你看看民意調查，看看各種問題，無論是撤換約翰·A·麥克唐納爵士，還是加拿大，加拿大是否是一個種族主義國家，以及，你知道，嗯，我們應該在所有這些問題上采取有色人種意識還是無色人種政策，以及許多其他問題。我為MLI做了一項調查顯示，加拿大公眾以二比一的比例反對覺醒主義立場。所以，覺醒勢力有充分的動機壓製這些辯論，並強製規定你在禮貌場合的言論界限。他們想要做一個有用的傻瓜，隨波逐流。但實際上，我們需要的是相反的策略，那就是將這些問題的重要性和可見度不斷提升到左翼議程的更高位置，所以應該有人問卡尼，嗯，女人到底是什麽？ 讓他難堪，讓他回答這個問題，不要給他任何回避的機會。這就是我設想中需要發生的事情。現在，當然，在聯邦辯論中你永遠不會看到這種情況，因為主流媒體永遠不會問這個問題，但總得有人把這些問題提上議程，這樣人們才能理解自由黨在以下方麵究竟有多麽激進：

他們在體製內捍衛的是什麽。我的意思是，你需要提升文化戰爭的議題。 例如，在阿爾伯塔省，丹尼爾·史密斯正在慢慢地做一些類似的事情，在我看來，這絲毫沒有損害她的勝算。 我的意思是，你仍然需要在經濟上有所作為，但我認為，政黨之間的這些分歧越能被提上議程，就越好。 嗯，我覺得像奧圖爾這樣的人，他隻是在迎合媒體精英和那些在渥太華邀請你參加晚宴的人的觀點。是的，在我看來，那將是一個災難性的策略。 嗯，所以最近幾周，加拿大因為一些事件，包括一位名叫……的國會議員，在國際上聲名狼藉。莉亞·加讚（Leah Gazan）想出了一個新的LGBTQ 縮寫，我記得是 MWY G2SLGBTQQ。 還有新民主黨大會，會上出現了公平卡，以及所有這些覺醒的鬧劇。 你在英國工作，所以你經常在加拿大以外的地方。人們對加拿大的看法是什麽？ 在加拿大以外，人們認為加拿大是世界上最覺醒的國家嗎？

是的，我認為加拿大在這種病毒式傳播的東西上有點淪為笑柄，對吧？問題在於這些政客和活動家們生活在泡沫裏。他們覺得這很正常，但一旦曝光，就成了笑柄。 對吧？但這恰恰說明了他們是如何逍遙法外的，因為他們被所有這些精英公共規範和這些機構所保護，在他們的世界裏，當然，他們想盡可能地展現道德優越感，對吧？嗯，所以，是的，我認為公平呃，你知道，呃，壓迫積分卡之類的東西，我很驚訝他們沒有準備一副撲克牌，讓某人可以揮舞一張A。你知道，我符合所有條件，而其他人，嗯，我可能得10分。我有點種族認同，但我沒有性取向。

所以我給自己打10分，對吧？然後那個白人，直男，到處走來走去，隻有2分。嗯，但是不，我認為這都源於人們普遍認為加拿大是覺醒主義的發源地，對吧？我的意思是，其他國家也有類似的問題，比如新西蘭新西蘭有他們的莫伊議程，愛爾蘭也有很多覺醒主義。嗯，但我認為如果我們來賭一匹馬，對吧？嗯，你在英國教書。 10分56秒 好的，英國最近因為審查製度頻頻登上新聞，禁止持有政府認為冒犯性觀點的人入境，並將因言論犯罪而入獄的人送進監獄。呃，在加拿大，卡尼政府有一項名為C9法案的提案，該提案可能將聖經定為犯罪，而特魯多試圖通過C63法案，一位律師告訴我，這將是最反烏托邦式的言論立法。你是否擔心卡尼和自由黨會在言論自由方麵把加拿大帶入像英國那樣的境地？

 

哦，是的，我很擔心。我認為這是合乎邏輯的結果，因為別忘了，這不僅僅是法律本身的問題，盡管法律表麵上看起來可能有點無害。問題在於，它會如何讓機構、人權法庭等部門的爪牙們采取行動，並聲稱：“是的，但因為這條法律，我們必須這樣做。” 即使他們曲解了法律。 所以，我們在英國經常看到這種情況，他們會說因為2010年的《平等法案》，呃，我們不能讓這位所謂的“恐跨性別者”來校園，或者這些性別批判女權主義者，我們不能允許他們暢所欲言，因為這違反了《平等法案》。現在，並非違反了《平等法案》，而是他們可能故意或出於無知而曲解了這些法案。所以實際上，你必須考慮這件事會如何滲透，以及它將產生的寒蟬效應，因為沒有人願意冒著被帶到這些法庭的風險。所以，是的，我認為這將產生巨大的影響。嗯，我認為英國之所以處於目前的境地，其中一個原因是2000年代中期的恐怖主義問題以及反伊斯蘭激進化運動，這賦予了警方很大的權力，來發表一些警察言論。嗯，最初，你知道，反恐這個概念隻是一個幌子。 很快，焦點就從伊斯蘭恐怖主義轉向了所謂的極右翼白人民族主義者。對吧？所以，你做的任何事情都可能產生意想不到的後果。但我想說的是，在英國，媒體和議會都在強烈反對，那些非暴力仇恨事件，比如有人上門騷擾。實際上，這些法律正在逐步被廢除。現在，它仍然存在於官僚機構中，也就是政府部門裏。

可能要等到下屆政府才能徹底廢除，但目前已經有很多公開的反對聲音。所以，我還是更擔心加拿大在這方麵的情況，實際上比英國更讓我擔憂，因為加拿大，我們仍然不知道這些法律會走向何方。而且它們可能會走得更遠。

我覺得比英國的情況要好。我們在加拿大上次大選中看到的是，年紀大的人，也就是嬰兒潮一代，投了自由黨的票，而年輕人投了保守黨的票。年輕人比老年人更右傾。你怎麽看待這種現象？首先，就我所見，這在西方是獨一無二的。比如在英國，年輕人更左傾。也許他們介於右翼和左翼之間，如果你隻看25歲以下的年輕人，情況可能更糟。

我看到一些民調顯示，支持保守黨改革的選民比例隻有10%。 對吧？而全國範圍內，25歲以下人群的左傾比例高達50%，隻有10%左右。所以年輕人明顯更左傾。 嗯，再看看加拿大，那裏的年輕人，你知道，我覺得這取決於你看哪個民調，安格斯·裏德（Angus Reed）的民調可能不是這樣。看起來更像是年輕人和老年人一樣，但無論如何，這都是個例外。而且我覺得這很有意思。還有這讓我對加拿大的未來更有希望，因為你們有一代人正在反抗進步主義的灌輸。 嗯，而在英國，他們一直在反抗保守黨執政14年、脫歐以及其他種種事情。他們仍然認為右翼是建製派。所以他們會成為反叛的左翼分子。嗯，但在加拿大，奇怪又有趣的是，他們反抗的是一個很大程度上覺醒的建製派。因此，這就開啟了一種截然不同的世代特征。嗯，我認為如果你看看民意調查數據，你會發現實際上存在非常廣泛的兩極分化在年輕人中。所以，在加拿大，年輕人既比老年人更反覺醒，又比老年人更覺醒。而且我我覺得當這群年輕人成為中間選民時，看看他們的政治立場會很有意思。我的意思是，他們的立場會非常非常兩極分化。所以，這會很有意思。 不過，如果你觀察年輕人，會發現保守派主要是年輕男性，而年輕女性，呃，似乎所有年齡段的，都傾向於更偏向左翼。人們對白人自由派女性有一種刻板印象，但在一些民意調查中，我們看到，實際上，例如在移民問題上，我們會看到白人自由派女性比移民本身更支持移民。 為什麽這個群體似乎非常非常傾向於更進步的思想？是的，我的意思是，有很多不同的理論。所以我的意思是，很明顯，海倫·安德魯斯那種女性化論點，認為女性在進化過程中被選擇成為照顧者，而這種照顧本能現在已經擴展到各種受害群體。 我認為這是其中一部分原因，但我認為可能更重要的是，女性傾向於支持現有的道德秩序。所以，如果你在學校、媒體和青年文化中被灌輸的那種享有盛譽的道德秩序是覺醒的，那麽女性就會維護並遵守這種道德秩序。我認為這非常重要。 例如，年輕女性，她們在其他時代和地區更虔誠，對吧。嗯，在美國，我們有可以追溯到1970年的數據，女性在70年代和80年代比男性更保守。直到2010年代，男女之間的分歧才開始顯現。而且我認為這實際上是由於這場“大覺醒”，她們非常支持精英道德，也就是共識道德。我還看到一些數據表明，隨著“覺醒運動”的興起，這種趨勢已經達到頂峰，並開始逐漸消退。 大約在2021年，就像在美國一樣，18歲的大一女生，她們的政治立場變得更加保守，保守了15個百分點。在上一次美國大選中，我認為年輕女性的政治立場又向共和黨傾斜了6個百分點。

自2020年以來，她們的政治立場更加傾向於共和黨。所以，我認為我們已經見證了女性進步覺醒主義的頂峰。 我的意思是，我認為我們已經達到了那個頂峰，它開始從那個高峰回落，但目前她們仍然更加覺醒，因為年輕男性通常是反抗現有秩序的人。所以，他們反抗的是什麽？ 在這種情況下，你知道，他們發現什麽。所以，歐洲的年輕男性會更傾向於投票給民粹主義右翼。

而不是主流右翼。嗯，他們總是會占據過高的比例。他們不會投票給建製派政黨。 所以，是的，年輕男性是最叛逆的。嗯，他們更願意冒險。 這毫不奇怪，她們比年輕女性更能逆潮流而行。嗯，但我一直強調的一點是，這不僅僅是關於身為女性的問題，因為如果你觀察年長的女性，你會發現她們在很多國家與年長男性並沒有太大的區別。真正存在性別差異的，隻有這一代年輕女性。所以，這是過去十年間特有的現象。

這種現象對女性的影響尤為顯著，對吧？而這正是我們現在看到的。嗯，我略微樂觀地認為，我不知道。我不認為這種現象會變得越來越失控。我覺得情況可能略有好轉，開始有所緩和。所以，性別差距，我覺得可能正在縮小一些。如果讓我根據我所看到的來打賭，嗯，我認為情況不會惡化。而且我認為越來越多的女性現在會說，這對我們的心理健康和幸福真的有好處嗎？也許這並不是我們真正的未來我們必須重新思考我們想要的生活。我不知道。 我隻是覺得我們正處於一個過程的開始。而且我覺得這種意識形態大概不會一直持續下去。 不過，挺有意思的。《新政治家》上有一篇文章。我不知道你有沒有看到，那篇文章是關於憤怒的年輕女性的。這是一本左翼雜誌。

這篇文章在網上瘋傳，內容是他們說：“你看，英國的年輕男性其實並不右傾。

如果非要說的話，他們比年長的男性更左傾。真正走火入魔的是年輕女性。”他們采訪了一些年輕女性她們說，你知道，她們不信任男人，她們不喜歡男人，你知道，女人處境艱難，她們無法所有這些信念都是她們在大覺醒運動的激進化過程中形成的。嗯，而且實際上，真正的問題不在於“非自願獨身者”（incels）、安德魯·泰特（Andrew Tate）等等，而在於女性身上正在發生的事情，你知道，這在很多方麵才是真正的反常現象。所以，誰知道事情會如何發展，但我認為會有越來越多的……我不知道。我……我願意相信我們至少能在某種程度上擺脫這種困境。

很有意思。我的最後一個問題，您認為加拿大在未來5到10年會是什麽樣子？您是樂觀還是悲觀？ 嗯，這很難說，對吧？比如，我認為短期內……我比較悲觀，因為我認為特朗普讓加拿大的政治陷入了深度凍結，這使得左翼文化勢力得以繼續苟延殘喘，而且沒有受到任何反對。 另一方麵，我認為有幾點值得樂觀。一是加拿大年輕一代按國際標準來看相對保守。 所以，當他們成為中間選民時，我認為他們會改變加拿大的政治格局。這是一個長期的樂觀點。嗯，另一點是，一些有趣的事情正在發生，比如在不列顛哥倫比亞省，先是“一個BC”，現在又是BC省的保守黨競選。我們可能會聽到稍後，卡羅琳·艾略特和其他一些候選人的發言，他們真的在打破禁忌，所以他們現在真的願意進入文化領域。同樣，在阿爾伯塔省，我們也看到了丹妮爾·史密斯的一些政策創新。所以，我認為這是某種新萌芽，或許預示著新的加拿大右翼展現出的新政治勇氣，或許能慢慢扭轉局麵。但我認為機會之窗可能要等到特朗普卸任後才會出現。我希望我是錯的，但我認為，在他下台之前，加拿大政治的扭曲局麵仍將持續。好的，埃裏克·霍夫曼，我的問題都問完了。謝謝。謝謝你，亞曆克斯。很高興與你交流。

好了，我們的采訪到此結束。我想知道你們的看法。請在下方留言。如果你喜歡這個視頻，請點讚。如果你還沒訂閱並開啟通知，那就訂閱吧。 第三章：結尾 已經。而且，請考慮加入付費頻道會員，每月不到5美元，因為與傳統媒體不同，我不接受政府任何資助。下次再見，願上帝保佑。 哇。真熱。

 

Professor REVEALS What Canadians Aren’t Being Told About Carney

 

Elie Cantin-Nantel   2026年5月3日

 

Canada is a warning to the Western world of what happens when wokeness takes over a country’s institutions.

 

No one knows this better than Eric Kaufmann, a Canadian professor of politics at the University of Buckingham and the author of The Third Awokening: A 12-Point Plan for Rolling Back Progressive Extremism.

 

In addition to talking about wokeness, Kaufmann told me things about Mark Carney that most Canadians aren’t being told.

 

BUY ERIC KAUFMANN's BOOK: https://www.amazon.ca/Third-Awokening...

 

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There's two parts to woke. One is the movement energy which peaks around 2020 or 2021 and then they start to lose

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influence in the newspapers and around the world. The second however part is the institutionalization of woke as DEI

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policies. Even though Carney isn't shoving it in your face the way Trudeau is, he is not touching any of the thiefs

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and he's more or less playing running interference for wokery in so so and no politician is really challenging him on that.

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Journalism and commentary one year anniversary.

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I don't believe journalism being funded by the government. You have to rebuild the foundation. You have to retell the story.

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Market conservative news that actually matters. I hence when I think they should answer their questions, especially if they're politically

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charged with Canada is a warning to the Western world of what happens when woke ideology takes

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over every single one of your institutions.

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Someone who is well aware of this is Professor Eric Kaufman. He is a Canadian professor of politics at Buckingham

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University in the United Kingdom and the author of the book The Third Awokening,

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a 12-point plan for rolling back progressive extremism. Kaufman has appeared on many of the world's top

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podcast, including Jordan Peterson, and he recently joined me for an interview

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in Vancouver. We talked about what is happening in Canada right now. I asked them why were the Liberals reelected, if

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Canadians are being told the truth about where the country is going under Mark Carney, how Canada is being viewed on the international stage, and we discuss

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how young people could end up being the ones who save Canada. This was an absolutely fascinating conversation that

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you do not want to miss. But before we get to that mustwatch conversation, be sure you are subscribed, comment your

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thoughts down below, like this video, hit the notification bell, and consider getting a paid subscription for less than $5 a month because unlike the

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legacy media, we take 0 from the government. So, I'm here with Professor

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Eric Kaufman. Uh, Eric, it seemed like in November 2024 that woke was over.

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Donald Trump won the 2024 election. a lot of big companies. They got rid of DEI and in Canada Pure Polyv had a huge

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lead in Napole and it looked like there would be a reckoning here in Canada and then out of nowhere Mark Carney came along and the Liberals got a fourth term

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and they're continuing with woke policies. What happened with Canada? Why didn't we see a great unwokening like in other parts of the world?

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Yeah, I mean I think there's a couple things there. I mean the first is that there's two parts to woke. One is the movement energy which peaks around 2020

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or 2021 and then they start to lose influence in the newspapers and around the world. The second however part is

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the institutionalization of woke as DEI policies right so equity and diversity that means equal outcomes and inclusion

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means speech suppression in order not to offend anybody those policies become institutionalized. Now the other part of this is so in the US the Trump

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administration red states are starting to take action to to remove this stuff from public institutions but of course in Canada that hasn't really happened

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except very tepidly in Alberta. Um what happens of course is that yes with Trump's you know 51st state rhetoric and

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the tariffs there's a rally round a flag effect. Carney's in position and actually I think already Trudeau was benefiting a little bit from that before

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he was ejected. So Carney is able to pose as I'm the slick smart banker who will defend you from the bad orange man.

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Right? So I think that sort of has put a freeze on normal development in Canada and has allowed a longer lease on life

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for woke, you know, and and of course even though Carney isn't shoving it in your face the way Trudeau is, he is not touching any of the thiefs and he's more

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or less playing running interference for wokery and can so so in and no politician is really challenging him on

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that. He's coming across, he's able to come across as a centrist when actually he's protecting radicalism. And he's not

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really being challenged in the press or by other politicians about that. And I think probably that needs to happen if we're going to start to see movement

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again. Talked on two interesting points and I will do kind of a a double a follow-up. You talked about Carney's protecting radicalism and also wanted to

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ask you, do do you think Canadians are being told the truth about Mark Carney in the media? Do you think there's things about Mark Carney that most Canadians aren't aware?

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Yeah, probably not. I mean, the media obviously is in love with Mark Carney.

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The mainstream, Canada obviously has a very left dominant media, a media which is more balanced in some other countries like Britain for example. Um, and so

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there's not the scrutiny of him and also there's not the, you know, you have to get particularly the cultural issues up front and center. So you need it on the

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floor of the House of Commons. You need it in the papers. You need the average citizen to be aware. You know, Mark Carney won't do anything about the trans

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issue, which is this crazy, you know, men and women's jails, men and women's, you know, gender reassignment. He's not

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touching that. Indigenous, he's totally behind the idea that we're all guilty and that we're on stolen land. He's not

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touching that. You know, all of that stuff he's getting away with because the media is never going to call him on that because they agree with him. and

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opposition politicians have not yet focused on that. It seems to me, again, I'm not here all the time, but my

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impression is Polyv is is still trying to sort of go after economic fine points and he's not really willing, I think, to

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say, "Hey, this is the sort of show in our institutions. These are not this is uncannadian values, anti- family,

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anti- everything." Carney is protecting these people and he's not. I don't hear that rhetoric. Uh maybe I'm missing it, but it seems like

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he's getting a free pass. Uh Erin Tulle, who's the former conservative leader, recently gave an interview and he said conservatives should move away from

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culture war issues. You know, they're doing a bit, but they're not doing as much as some of us would like, but apparently even that's too much. What do you have to say to that? And do you

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think actually that Pierre Polyv should double and triple down on some of the culture issues if he wants to do better in the next election?

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Yeah, I mean um well very simply I mean I think Otul is in the old mold right where the left says you know conservatives you're allowed to talk

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about economics you're not allowed to stray outside that sandbox. Um, and Otul says, "Yeah, let's be the useful idiots and let's let's let the left uh police

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the boundaries of acceptable speech uh so that maybe some centrist voters might think we're okay." And that obviously didn't work for Otto. Um, no. I think if

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you look at public opinion surveys um on on issue after issue, whether it be removing Sir John A. McDonald, whether it Canada, is Canada a racist country,

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whether it be, you know, um, should we be color have color conscious or colorblind policies on all of these and many, many other questions. I did a

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survey for MLI. Canadian public is two to one against the woke position. So, the woke forces have every incentive to

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want to suppress these debates and enforce and police the bounds of what you can say in polite company. Ot wants

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to sort of be a useful idiot and go along with that. What's required is in fact the opposite strategy which is to

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push the salience and the the the visibility of these issues higher and higher up the agenda where the left is

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so somebody should say to Carney um what is a woman, right?

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And and to to put him on the spot, make him answer that question and don't let him out of it. That's what I would envision needs to happen. Right now, of

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course, you'll never have that in a f federal debate because the mainstream channels will always will never ask that question, but somebody needs to sort of

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get these questions higher up the agenda so people can understand how radical um the liberals actually are in terms of

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what they what they are defending in the institutions. And that's what I mean is you need to elevate the the culture war.

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So in Alberta for example where Daniel Smith is slowly starting to do some of this thing and it doesn't seem to me that that's harming her chances at all.

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I mean you still have to deliver economically but I think the more those differences between the parties can be pushed up the agenda the better.

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Um and I think a guy like Otul he's simply trying to reflect the talking points of the media elite and the kind

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of people that have you over to dinner parties in Ottawa. Yeah, that would be a disastrous strategy in my view.

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Um, so in in recent weeks, Canada's gone

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internationally for a few incidents, including uh a member of parliament named Leah Gazan, who came up with a new

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LGBTQ acronym that was, I believe, MWY G2SLGBTQQ.

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there was the uh NDP convention where there was the equity cards and where there was all of this woke uh charade.

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Uh you're you work in the UK so you spend a lot of time outside of Canada. What is the perception of Canada?

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Outside of Canada, do people view Canada as like the wokest country in the world?

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Yeah, I think that that Canada is a bit of a laughingstock for this kind of stuff that all circulates virally, right? And problem is these politicians and

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activists are in a bubble. They think that's normal, but once it's exposed to the light of day, it's a laughingstock,

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right? And and but it just kind of shows how they can get away with it because they're so insulated by all of these elite public norms and by these

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institutions that within their world, yeah, of course, you want to v virtue signal as much as possible, right? Um, so yeah, I I and I think the the equity

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uh you know, the uh oppression point cards or whatever they had in I'm surprised they didn't have like a pack of cards where somebody could wave

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around an ace. You know, I've got all I tick all the boxes and someone else, well, I'm maybe a 10. I've kind of got race, but I don't have sexual

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orientation, so I'll give me a 10, right? And then the white man, straight guy walking around with a two. Um, but no, I I think this is all part of the

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perception that Canada is kind of the ground zero for wokery, right? I mean, there are other countries that are, you know, have problems, too, like New

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Zealand with its sort of Mauy agenda and Ireland has a lot of wokery. Well, but I think Canada is still in the lead if

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we're going to put money on a horse, right? Um, well, you teach in the UK.

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Okay, the UK has been in the news a lot for censorship, for banning people from entering the country who have views the government deems offensive, for putting

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people in jail for speech crimes. Uh, in Canada, the Carne government uh has a

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bill called Bill C9, which could criminalize scripture, and Trudeau tried to pass bill C63, which a lawyer told me would have been the most dystopian piece

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of speech legislation. Are you worried that Carney and the Liberals could take Canada to a place like the UK when it comes to free speech?

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Oh yeah, I am. And I think that is the logical outcome because really don't forget it's not just the law itself, which might on the face of it be a bit

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innocuous. It's it's how that will then give license to the minions in the institutions, the human rights tribunals

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in the the the bureaucracy to then take action and say, "Yeah, but because of this law, we've got to do this." Even though they're misinterpreting the law.

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So, we've seen that in Britain a lot where they'll say because of the 2010 Equality Act, uh, we can't have this transphobic quote unquote speaker come

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to the campus or or these gender critical feminists, we can't, you know, allow them to say what they want because it's against the Equality Act. Now, it's

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not against the Equality Act, but they can misread willfully or, you know, out of ignorance these acts. And so actually

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you have to look at how this will filter through and then the chilling effects it's going to have because no one wants to risk uh being hauled in front of

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these tribunals. So yeah, I think it'll have a absolutely massive effect. Um I think one reason Britain is in the position it's in is because of the

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terrorism issue from the mid 2000s and the counter Islamic radicalization which gave a lot of power to the police to

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sort of police speech. Uh, initially, you know, this idea of counterterrorism was the was the sort of stalking horse.

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Very quickly, it got turned away from Islamist terrorism towards quote unquote far-right white nationalists. Right? So,

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anything you do could have unintended consequences. But what I'd say in Britain is there's a lot of push back in the media, in parliament against, you

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know, the non-rime hate incidents, against, you know, people showing up at your door. That stuff is gradually is being repealed actually. Now, it's still in the bureaucracy, the blob.

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It's going to have to be scraped out probably by the next government, but there's been a lot of vocal push back. And so, I'm still more worried

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about Canada in this respect than Britain actually, because Canada still, we don't know where these laws are going to go. And they could go much further

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than what exists in Britain, I think. So what we saw in the last election in Canada is the older folks, the baby boomers voted liberal and the younger

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people voted conservative. The youth are more right-wing than the old. What do you make of this phenomenon? Well, first

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of all, it is unique as far as I can see anywhere in the west. Uh like in Britain, the young are way more

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leftwing. like maybe they are 8020 um uh right to left in in in amongst if you take the under 25s it might it's it's

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I've seen polls where voting for reform in the Tories that's like 10%.

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Right? Whereas nationally it's 50 it's like 10% for the under 25s. So the young people are way way way more leftwing.

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Um, then you have Canada where the young people are, you know, I think it depends which poll you look at and Angus Reed, it's it's maybe not. It looks more like

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the young are the same as the old, but either way, it is an anomaly. And and I think that's very interesting. Also

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makes me more hopeful uh for the future of Canada that you have had a generation that's reacting against indoctrination by progressivism.

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Um whereas in Britain they've been reacting against 14 years of the Tories in government, Brexit and all this other stuff. They still think the right is the

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establishment. So they're going to be the rebellious left-wingers. Um but what what's so weird and interesting in Canada is they've reacted against a a

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largely woke establishment. And so that then sets in motion a very different generational

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profile. Um, I I think if you look at the public opinion data, what you actually see is very wide polarization

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among young people. So, young people are at the same time more anti-woke and more woke than older people in Canada. And I

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think it's going to be really interesting to see when that group of young people become the median voter. I mean, they're going to be really, really polarized. So, it's going to be really interesting.

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One demographic though when you look at the young it's mostly young men who are conservative and young women uh seemingly of all age groups tend to

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be more on the left. There's a stereotype of like the white liberal women and in some polls we see actually unlike immigration for example we'll see

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white liberal women be more pro- immigration than immigrants themselves.

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Why is that demographic seemingly very very attracted to more progressive ideas? Yeah, I mean there's different theories. So I mean there's obviously

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the Helen Andrews kind of feminization argument that, you know, women are evolutionary selected to be carers and that caring instinct has now been broadened out to various victim groups.

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I I think that's part of it, but I also think what what's possibly more important is women tend to back up the

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status quo moral order. So if the prestigious moral order you're taught by your in the schools and in the media and

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youth culture is woke, then women are going to uphold and conform to that moral order. And I think that's so so

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women, for example, young women, they they were more religious, right, at other times and places. Um in the US, we've got data going back to 1970, women

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were more conservative than men in the 70s and 80s. And it's really only in the 2010s that they start to diverge. And I

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think that's really due to this the great awakening and they're very much backing up that elite morality that that

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consensus morality. I've also seen some data suggesting that that peaked with the Great Awoken starting to fall off

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around 2021 that like in the US the 18-year-old female freshman students

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they've become 15 points more conservative and in the last US election young women I think shifted six points

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towards the Republicans since 2020. So, I do think that we've seen peak female

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progressive wokeism. I mean, that's I think we've reached that and it's starting to to to retreat from that high water mark, but right now they are still

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vastly more woke because young men are the ones who are typically going to rebel against the existing order. And so, they're rebelling against whatever

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they find in this case, you know. So, so young young men will vote for the populist right across Europe much more

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than the mainstream right. um they're always going to be over represented.

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They're not going to vote for the establishment parties.

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So, yeah, young men are the most rebellious. Uh they're more risktaking.

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It's not surprising that they're the ones who are bucking these trends much more than young women. Uh but one one point I always make is it's not simply

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about being a woman because if you look at older women, they don't differ from older men very much in in many countries. It's really only this

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generation of younger women where there's a gender gap. So, it's something very specific to the last 10 years

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that's worked on women uh very specifically, right? And that's kind of what we're seeing. Um I'm

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slightly optimistic in that I think that I don't know. I don't think that this this phenomenon is just going to get more and more and more out of control. I

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I think it's probably slightly turned around uh and is starting to moderate a little bit. So, the gap the gender gap I

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think is probably narrowing a little bit. If I if I were to to wager given what I've seen, um I don't think it's going to escalate. And I think there's

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more and more women who are now saying, well, is this really good for us in our mental health and our well-being? And maybe it's not not really the future for

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us, and we've got to rethink what we want out of life. And I I I don't know.

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I just think we're at the beginning of a process. And I think probably this ideology isn't going to keep going.

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Although, it's funny. There's a piece in the New Statesman. And I don't know if you saw that angry young women. It was a This is a left-wing magazine. Got a lot

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of uh the piece went viral and it's all about them saying, "Look, young men in Britain are not actually to the right.

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They're if anything to the left of older men. It's young women who've gone completely off the scale." And and they interviewed some of these young women

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who who were saying things like, you know, they they don't trust men, they don't like men, you know, women get a harsh terrible deal, they can't get

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ahead. all these beliefs that they've acquired through the radicalizing process of the Great Awakening. Um, and

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that's actually it's not incelss and Andrew Tate and all that stuff that's really the the emergency. It's it's

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what's going on with women, you know, that's that's in many ways much more the aberration. So, who knows where that goes, but I think there's going to be

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more and more I I don't know. I like I I like to think that we're going to pull out of this tail spin at least to some degree.

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Very interesting. My last question, where do you see Canada in the next 5 to 10 years? And are you optimistic or pessimistic?

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Well, it's a mix, right? Like I think short term I'm I'm I'm pessimistic because I think Trump kind of puts

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Canada's politics in the deep freeze and so it allows the left-wing cultural left dispensation to keep zombieing on and and without opposition.

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On the other hand, I there's a couple of points of optimism. One is that the younger generation of Canadians is relatively conservative by international

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standards. So when they become the median voter, I think they will change Canadian politics. So that's a longer term optimistic point. Um the other

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point is there is some interesting things happening like here in British Columbia with first one BC and now the BC conservative race. We might hear

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later on uh from Caroline Elliott and a number of other other candidates and they're really breaking taboos and so they are really willing now to go into

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cultural territory. Alberta similarly we've seen some policy innovation from Danielle Smith. So, I think that's the

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kind of first green shoots uh of possibly the beginning of a new

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what uh new political bravery on the Canadian right that might slowly start to turn the tide on this stuff. But I

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think that the window of opportunity is probably not going to happen until after Trump is out of office. I I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think it I until he's

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gone, I think the distortion of Canadian politics will remain. All right, Eric Hoffman, these are all my questions. Thank you. Thank you, Alex. It's been a pleasure.

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