再這樣繞來繞去,我的心髒會禁不住折磨的。我們還有些事沒有做完,我說:“改天我們再研究這個問題。” 他又連忙問我:“我如果不答應,你就整天會給我臉色看的,對不對?”我說:“不會。”"其實我的臉色已經很難看了。我借口去買葡萄酒,他親吻著我說:“Honey, I love you!" 我第一次沒有回他的話。徑自地走了。
I just want to put my post on YC here, which was deleted :-( there.
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我再多嘴幾句吧.(請版主手下留情勿刪貼)
我在YC潛水多年 (大概5,6年吧),一直把他當作一個精神家園。幸或不幸, 我從事於高壓工作,這些年個人生活也可謂經曆悲歡離和。不怕大家笑話的說,每當我覺得如溺水之人,瀕臨"崩潰"邊緣,我就用YC裏的小說做精神鴉片, 躲入其中,暫時逃避現實。在裏頭或發呆,舔傷,充電,然後再回職場。眾多ID們 (諸如黃顏,秦無衣,吳越,板板,漢代蜜瓜,心靈泉,悉采心,等等,抱歉不能在這裏一一列舉)精彩的文章不知道賺了我多少眼淚,心酸,和傻笑,大蔥哥的美食貼害的我流了許多口水,還有那個澀狼的大膽圖貼害的我幾度擔心自己被公司炒了魷魚 。我想,來YC的很多人也許有類似的感觸吧。
我對YC的喜愛也讓我對某些ID的粗魯和尖刻覺得不說不快,覺得想提醒她一下。我和斷腸人(尊稱腸NN吧,YC老人了)的初次交鋒是在上個月情人節(無聊吧 )。她對一個新ID特不NICE,我路見不平就說了幾句。後來被白班主打了包,被"情人"罵無聊拖出去過節了而不了了之。最近YC有些爭執,看了秦大俠的貼,我也不太厚道地起了幾聲哄。昨天哪,腸NN對”今夜心亂如麻”博文和其人特反感,跑到人家博客裏大鳴大放,還把戰場搬到YC。我是真覺得她太過分了。於是我這個老潛員發了平生第一貼 (the first thread I started),詢問大家一個人是否有權: 1)跑到別人博客去攻擊作者; 2)對自己不能理解的人或人生經曆指手劃腳。我再次感謝大家分享觀點,使我能夠學習成長。基本上,大家認為讀者有權去人家博客發表意見 (拍磚),但是進行人身攻擊就不好了。這就對了。
有人說我在引導大家對腸NN人身攻擊, 我不認為這樣。我把"己所不欲,勿施於人"當做右銘。我不搞人身攻擊,我也不想被人身攻擊。我說了N次,她is not a bad person。我是說過,但是她的尖刻,過激語言,汙辱性語言是不對的,也不應該老讓別人容忍她 ( I used words like “bitterness”, “overly aggressive language or abusive language” in those posts because I could not type in Chinese until last night)。下麵我就事論事列幾個例子腸NN確實語言過激,甚至用汙辱性語言和人身攻擊。為了避免段章取義,我也加了出處, 都是這幾天的事。哎,也怪老板放了我幾天假,我就吃飽了撐了似的發貼來了 :-)
腸NN那一副"我就這脾氣,我怕誰"的氣焰不由的讓我覺的做錯了事情還有理的感覺。我知道讓YC成一方淨土也不現實,但是這畢竟是個公共論壇,她也不能把這裏當作自家的哪個什麽什麽,想拍誰就拍誰,想說聽話就說難聽話吧?其實腸NN也是有才, 把那才氣和熱情從罵人轉到寫creative的文章上,才是我或其讀者更想看到的。
如果我的貼能讓腸NN有所收斂或思索,那麽我認為我也算有點小貢獻了 :-)謝謝大家讀貼。歡迎討論和拍磚。
浮雲 (Fuyun)
(http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/origin/610820.html)
誰傳這謠誰不是人養的,豬狗不如!更卑鄙!!!TNND,太氣人了 (this is her reaction to posts that attacked her..)
http://bbs.wenxuecity.com/origin/611648.html
什麽GP邏輯;
愛情難道是賣身麽?
這樣的女人,白送我也不要。整個一貪心不足蛇吞象外加胡攪蠻纏不講理
於是飽暖思淫欲的她來勁了:
小人得誌就猖狂,不知道自己幾斤幾兩了。貪婪窮人的通病。
當女人反感女人
I followed the story all along to Chapter 16 and truthfully ,so far, I couldn't tell that you loved him at all. Yes, the guy had history and had issues, but he showed you respect and appreciation ; you didn't do the same ; you didn't try to understand him and put things into his perspective; you would rather second-guess him than to have candid conversations with him to tell him how you feel and why you felt the way you did; then you expected him to understand you --- sorry sister, it has nothing to do with your finacial situations or your cross-cultural backgrounds,a relationship doesn't work that way. Love between a man and a woman is conditional,needs MUTUAL understanding, compromise, acceptance, agreement to disagree, appreciation, respect, communications ... yet, I didn't see you give him any of the above ; you need to give while taking from him -- I am sure you have a lot of good qualities, hardworking, self-deciplined...etc. however, the way you think -- if you love me, you should do and think my way, you should know me without me having to tell you , you have to accept, your offering is patronizing if it's not what I wanted...--- if that's the way you think, I am afraid you will not be able to sustain another relationship; loving you doesn't mean agreeing with you on everything and not doing what you want doesn't mean not loving you. Even if he understands your logic, he doesn't have to accept it, vice versa. Really hope you trully learned from this relationship and learn to think from different angle.
Again, I have nothing against you. I like your story, but really think so for your train of thoughts has been the biggest problem in this relationship.
回複今夜心亂如麻的評論:
Dear, she is an un balanced woman. I guess she might have some mental problems or just jeaous. Because of her expressings all about criticism others, have no kindness, no respecting other's life, this is really low class. So i stoped response to her. I don't have Chinese input in this computer. You have a good night.
fuyun 發表評論於
回複今夜心亂如麻的評論:
Just want to show you there are other folks who are supporting you... Just ignore her...I am copy some ID 鄭在江湖's post here, who said exactly what I wanted to say!
It is clear that she demands money on the basis that he loves her. It is clear that she accepts his money and complaining at the same time that he did not give her enough money. You call that cultural difference, I call it ignorance. I dont agree with you on this subject, so let it be.
If you want to be a chick, then dont count the money and complain at the same time that the whoremaster didnt give you orgasm.
斷腸人在天涯 please calm down. I understand it is a culture difference from 今夜心亂如麻. It is a very diversified country and I don't think people should stereotype Chinese or American.
Without revealing details, I can honestly say it is not true that all Chinese and American/ European millionaires and billionaires that I know in person are just looking for someone who is attractive, young to get married; beauty can be easily accessed by $$$, in fact, she would be a insider joke if a woman thinks she is the hottest chick in town for marriage, unless this guy is a red-neck, usually he looks for substances for a serious relationship.At least not the people I know from personal experiences and I know more than plenty.
You just said this is a free country and you then asked me to stop expressing my opinion? Who do you think you are?
BTW, I have no intention to stp anyone who wants to sell themselves. In fact, I hope they can get a good price for themselves. Your reading ability is not impressive.
回複by斷腸人在天涯的評論:
Stop your critic, it is junk!! This is free country, people has the choices. Even they want to sale them self, this not your business! You have to learn more about understanding others.
So according to your logic, he chooses to love you, therefore you have the right to demand money. This is about selling yourself to a rich man and has nothing to do with love. So he is not willing to pay your price and you can continue to find the next buyer. You may not be able to sell...Sure, no problem, you can do it, but dont profane love. Dont tell me you are selling yourself because of love.
riverren 發表評論於
回複by斷腸人在天涯的評論:
This is not funny. Did the man asked other girls? Or you? In this case, he just liked this girl, but she might not is the true love to him. If you know Americas enogh, you should knew that, many American women knew the point: Don't feel guity to spend rich husband's money, because the richs also need the marrige, otherwise, they would not marrie to you.
by斷腸人在天涯 發表評論於
回複riverren的評論:
Funny,he wants young body and sex, and she is the only possible provider? She is an extincted creature?
by斷腸人在天涯 發表評論於
回複wildapril的評論:
文字的風格和身體無關,混為一談就是少見多怪了
riverren 發表評論於
回複今夜心亂如麻的評論:
Dear, i had a America husband. As you said, you were nothing wrong. He need you more than you need him, you are not the one who asked for marrige. As some girls already told you here, it just means he doe's not love you from heart, he want the sex, young body, that's all. If he really importance the relationship with you, he would not care about the $2,000. You were already cheap to him. So, don't be upset, you are right.
wildapril 發表評論於
回複by斷腸人在天涯的評論:
你這個人肝火太盛了。沒必要這樣。
by斷腸人在天涯 發表評論於
回複fuqing的評論:
沒有人謾罵,大家都在發表觀點,你激動什麽。
by斷腸人在天涯 發表評論於
回複YukiDesho的評論:
I agree. So far she has displayed zero personal qualities, no good virtue, no caring loving & understanding, no qualification, no job, no manners...But plenty of greedy demands and bad drinking habbits. A self conceited low class female, that's all.
回複freddy'smom的評論:
Completely agree - I don't have a Chinese input in this computer either so I d have to type in English. Counting on a guy to ride on a white horse to save one out of problems is not realistic. Especially for a middle class American, finding someone who he can click with and relates to is his number one requirement for a wife. For really rich ones, choosing a young, pretty face weighs more but there may be no marriage involved. Ultimately it boiled down to how well you connect and ask yourself how much you can bring to the table , yet other gals cannot. Love is a two-way street.
再這樣繞來繞去,我的心髒會禁不住折磨的。我們還有些事沒有做完,我說:“改天我們再研究這個問題。” 他又連忙問我:“我如果不答應,你就整天會給我臉色看的,對不對?”我說:“不會。”"其實我的臉色已經很難看了。我借口去買葡萄酒,他親吻著我說:“Honey, I love you!" 我第一次沒有回他的話。徑自地走了。
回複fuyun的評論:
I totally understanded it now,thanks ,.
fuyun 發表評論於
meimei, take it easy. That person is sometimes really too much. Just ignore her. I can't stand her so sometimes I wrote a few posts to remind her to be nice. But I come to realize she is "un-defeatable" :-)
回複今夜心亂如麻的評論:
Please allow me write this in English since I don't have a good Chinese SW . My husaband has many friends, 90% of them are lawyers, he is the only doctor. Three of them were single or divorced. The three singles often change their girl friends. I was wondering they would ever settle down. Until one day, the richest one among these three annonced that he will marry to his current girl friend whom he was only dating for a month or two. I asked him what made him the decision so quickly, he said she is pretty and tall, smart, retired professional golfer, and Western district sales manager for a large company. She is everything he wants. If I look at all of the girl friends these people had been through, they either don't have good jobs, or have previous kids, drink too much or spent too much money. Those are the top reasons to cause the relationships failur. American man in general don't have the concept they will be the provider no matter they are rich or not,unless he is an old and urgly guy noone wants him. In turn, they are not afraid of their woman being successful either. My points here is that you need to quit your drinking hobby, especially in front of public. you need to improve yourself to be a classica woman. Young look, sexybody and pretty face only last a few dates.
很占同冬棗和Tinyherb 的觀點。我交往過很多美國男生, 現任老共是一家醫院的內科主任。 你們的交往之所以失敗,就是天時還不夠。假如你已經畢業,經濟獨立並對美國文化多一些了解,你就會為這個關係付出的多一些, 也會多一些自信,也不會提出讓人家給你父母兩千塊錢這種傻事。我很羨慕你可以寫出優美的文字來記錄自己的往事,我失敗的而且是最難忘的一段感情簡直就是你的故事的翻版,甚至比你的長而曲折, 姿勢我還無法寫出來。你和他一開始就是不平等的關係, 才會給你趙成如次多得壓力和他的不理解。而我和現在先生認識的時候,我已經是一個成熟,成功的職業人。我們的教育程度相當,我們的收入不相上下,我們有共同的興趣。我沒有因為他是美國人家他,他也不是因我是中國人去我。 美國人有句諺語“if you want to catch a good catch, you'd better be a good catch".灰姑娘的故事有,但很難碰到。
I think it is a culture difference and I think as a female, you need to develop yourself first. Therefore, I think though he did horrible things, this should not be one of what he did wrong. Also, it is not graceful to just get drunk in front of guests just beause you felt like it.
相信你自己的選擇.合適不合適隻有你自己知道。我覺得美國人絕大多數表麵很會做表麵文章。整天說愛,替女孩開車門,花小錢買禮品等等。應該除去他的甜言蜜語,看他是如何愛你如何為你著想的。從今夜妹妹寫到現在來看,他一切都是要按他的想法,他的 we is his.今夜妹妹必須百依百順做綿羊才行。一切都由他做主才行。他不讓妹妹打工是要妹妹每天他下班的時候在家守候著等著他。這種曰子恐怕談不上幸福,控製欲太強妹妹會很壓抑的。
很奇怪象他那樣一把年紀的男人又那麽會花人甜言蜜語還會做飯怎麽會還是single?在你之前他的dating history, 你了解嗎?他是否很花心?
一個50多的男人還為二幹刀讓你不開心,實在蠻小氣的。文化差別是有的,但是他實在是愛你愛的還不夠深。他既然想娶中國太太就應該學習中國文化。
其實我覺得你們走到一起是他鑽了一個空子。今夜妹妹被前夫拋棄,你處於人生的困難之時所以你會輕易被他拉到他家去。
決定就決定了,不要後悔,你還年輕,象你這樣自強自立的女孩一定能有一個美滿的未來。自己掙錢想怎麽花就怎麽花,想給父母多少都行。你若真的和這個老美結婚,你父母來美探親恐怕又會有很多問題。
你要好好的快快樂樂地生活,要讓你前夫知道你們的分開.It's his loss.
以上隻是我個人的看法,我從沒和老美戀愛過,和老公國內結婚他把我帶過來快二十年了。但在工作單位有老美同事。我還是喜歡國男,沒有甜言蜜語但是是實實在在過日子的。剛來經濟條件差,但慢慢兩人都工作,日子會一天比一天慢慢好起來。
再這樣繞來繞去,我的心髒會禁不住折磨的。我們還有些事沒有做完,我說:“改天我們再研究這個問題。” 他又連忙問我:“我如果不答應,你就整天會給我臉色看的,對不對?”我說:“不會。”"其實我的臉色已經很難看了。我借口去買葡萄酒,他親吻著我說:“Honey, I love you!" 我第一次沒有回他的話。徑自地走了。