DCA 真能提供更好的回報嗎?真能“Set it and Forget it"?

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Take an example of Lost Decade (from 1/1/2000 to 12/31/2009)

Instead of making one giant investment, let's invest $1,000 per month during
this 10 year period in the S&P 500 index. Based on what we know about dollar
cost averaging, we should be buying random amounts of shares depending on
how the market is doing at that snapshot in time. For simplicity, we'll
assign a cost of $0.01 to each point of the index (for example an index
reading of 1000 would cost $10 per share).

So did we make some money? Well, no. This time we lost 6.8% of our money.

Here is the performance chart

(圖貼不上來)

You may think Lost Decade is not an good example, let's take a look at 1-year
performance of 2009, 2010, 2011 DCA vs Lump Sum.

Assumption:

10,000 will be invested in a market investment, following two different
strategies: (a) the whole amount will be invested on the start date; and (b) equal amounts
will be invested at the start of every month for a year, during which the
remaining cash will stay invested in a bank account at a guaranteed interest
rate. 

The market investment is an S&P 500 index fund with annual fees of 0.2%.

The bank account interest rate is  0.1%

2009: Lump Sum = 12415, DCA = 12123
2010: Lump Sum = 11046, DCA = 11107
2011: Lump Sum = 9919, DCA = 9830
2012: ???

DCA will win if your start date falls right before a dramatic crash (like
Mar 2009). But unless you can predict these downturns ahead of time, you
have no scientific reason to believe that dollar cost averaging will give
you an advantage.

So, here is my point:

1. DCA only can not guarantee you have a better return, can not guarantee
you not lose money. It is more of a myth. It may smooth out your portfolio
performance over time, so you do not do panic sell.
2. You need to use other strategies, not just DCA only, to produce better
return.
3. (Not related to this topic) Time is on your side, the only advantage
you have against professional MM is time.

2&3 有點“華山論劍”, 點到為止,每一個都可以引出長篇大論,象asset allocation就
有許多方法,如到底是否include PM, 是否include currency. If include currency,
Swiss Franc是不是best choice?

投資是非常complicated event. Every strategy has its own advantage and disadvantage.
There is no such kind of strategy as "set it and forget it" and you still
make money.

所有跟帖: 

真要做DCA,也應該是那種Weighted DCA,比如在每次突破上次低點時候加倍或者1.2倍資金進入 -trendspike- 給 trendspike 發送悄悄話 (62 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 07:45:51

DCA 是否有好的回報,取決於你什麽時候cash out。 -texastrader- 給 texastrader 發送悄悄話 (678 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 07:54:37

非常同意,我一直說 -monkeyboy- 給 monkeyboy 發送悄悄話 (67 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:09:04

老兄,你講的話句句有道理,句句大實話,就是讀了讓我這樣的笨鳥太沮喪。 -melody2010- 給 melody2010 發送悄悄話 melody2010 的博客首頁 (1956 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:20:13

每周買彩票,不勞心,不勞力,不勞神,就是中獎機率太低, 建議DCA,獎大就多買點 :-) -monkeyboy- 給 monkeyboy 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:27:09

等哪天,彩票的intrinsic value大於face value,我一定狂買。 -melody2010- 給 melody2010 發送悄悄話 melody2010 的博客首頁 (468 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 10:23:59

u can cash out following the same DCA principle! -futufutu- 給 futufutu 發送悄悄話 (120 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 14:33:30

DCA的主要功能是避險--防止一次性買在高點。 -Morning3evening4- 給 Morning3evening4 發送悄悄話 Morning3evening4 的博客首頁 (368 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:12:35

Are You Sure? This Could Be Another Myth -monkeyboy- 給 monkeyboy 發送悄悄話 (1454 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:21:15

Haha,any calculation would assume something. -Morning3evening4- 給 Morning3evening4 發送悄悄話 Morning3evening4 的博客首頁 (303 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:26:42

DCA的主要功能是避免錯過最低最高點 -rx300- 給 rx300 發送悄悄話 (333 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:37:08

Hi, brother, where do you keep tracting the RSI index? Thanks! -Morning3evening4- 給 Morning3evening4 發送悄悄話 Morning3evening4 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:40:39

Yahoo Finance, any brokerage account charting tool -rx300- 給 rx300 發送悄悄話 (509 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:49:21

Thank you greatly! -Morning3evening4- 給 Morning3evening4 發送悄悄話 Morning3evening4 的博客首頁 (190 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:57:19

Still, one more question about the setting: -Morning3evening4- 給 Morning3evening4 發送悄悄話 Morning3evening4 的博客首頁 (120 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:02:06

typically the default is RSI(14) -rx300- 給 rx300 發送悄悄話 (134 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:10:13

Thanks again! -Morning3evening4- 給 Morning3evening4 發送悄悄話 Morning3evening4 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:11:53

同意。1)DCA;2)避免個股;3)TA+FA;4)長期投資;5)分散投資。 -易木- 給 易木 發送悄悄話 易木 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:44:44

兄弟,還是你這個貼子最具有可操作性。謝了。 -melody2010- 給 melody2010 發送悄悄話 melody2010 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 10:24:59

據說RSI經曆了時間的考驗,你為什麽隻用小部分錢做? -commonsense888- 給 commonsense888 發送悄悄話 (2399 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 10:54:48

我的主要目標是invest for income -rx300- 給 rx300 發送悄悄話 (4136 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 11:30:01

DDD! -美西遊子- 給 美西遊子 發送悄悄話 美西遊子 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 15:15:49

高手們講的話,句句珠璣,受益匪淺。會好好想,下步如何走。 -melody2010- 給 melody2010 發送悄悄話 melody2010 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:19:22

同意, DCA不是萬能的,但你用Lump Sum作比較不具可比性 -萬楓- 給 萬楓 發送悄悄話 萬楓 的博客首頁 (265 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 08:46:55

不能這樣比,lump sum在年初放,dca每月放,那麽實際lump sum的錢在市場裏比dca時間長的多。 -章魚MM- 給 章魚MM 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:04:18

這個MM腦子很聰明,一下就看到問題關鍵了 -萬楓- 給 萬楓 發送悄悄話 萬楓 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:07:25

謝鼓勵~~ -章魚MM- 給 章魚MM 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:13:17

DCA不是好或者不好的問題 -monkeyboy- 給 monkeyboy 發送悄悄話 (146 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:16:21

我明白你的意思,但是你的計算方法不夠準確。 -章魚MM- 給 章魚MM 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 09:26:12

thanks for sharing! -美西遊子- 給 美西遊子 發送悄悄話 美西遊子 的博客首頁 (100 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 11:04:04

DCA沒刺激,不適合我這幾近氣滯血瘀麻木不仁的人。 -霧裏看花123- 給 霧裏看花123 發送悄悄話 霧裏看花123 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/08/2012 postreply 18:35:36

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