麻你, 關於早些Hedge的問題 ( 不好意思,為了省時間我用了英文)

本帖於 2024-12-19 18:59:12 時間, 由普通用戶 三心三意 編輯

Hedging is a complex topic, nearly impossible to cover all its nuances in a forum. People hedge for various reasons, and there isn’t a universally “correct” approach —it ultimately depends on your own goals and risk tolerance.

For me, hedging serves two primary purposes:

  1. To mitigate losses in core positions during a market downturn.
  2. To provide the confidence to hold core positions instead of selling shares.

Of these, the second goal is more important to me. My investment style focuses on identifying companies with long-term growth potential and holding through market ups and downs. However, human emotions often lead to impulsive decisions (e.g., selling shares like PLTR when it feels overpriced at $50). Hedging works for me as a safeguard against these emotional reactions

One common hedging method is using put options, though there are other strategies available. To reduce the cost of buying puts, sometimes, put spread could be used. An example is the recent QQQ trade with a 25 point put spread with a cost of $4–$5 per share. This translates to a 1% premium to protect against a 25-point drop in QQQ (say, from 540 to 515). For a hypothetical portfolio of $1M in QQQ, the cost of the premium would be $10K. If QQQ continues to drop below 515, the put spread can be rolled lower to a new spread (e.g., 515/490). Also, you dont have to protect the entire porfolio, you could, for instance, only cover 3/4 of the position, which would also reduce the premium cost. 

In a rare case you're not familiar with puts or put spreads, you could look up online. ChatGPT offers detailed explanations to help understand these concepts.

The timing of purchasing a hedge is important. Randomly buying put hedges can unnecessarily increase the cost basis of your shares. I think a good understanding of TA, particularly in analyzing market trends, is essential for effectively implementing a hedging strategy. I try to focus the timing of hedge when there are strong signals suggesting the market is overextended and at risk of a correction. For instance, this applied to QQQ at 530–540, PLTR at 70-80, or as Tesla getting close to 500 (I have shared detailed analysis about these price range before). The TA foundation for me in identifyinf market trend is mainly based on Elliott Wave Theory (it’s too complex to dive into details of that here) but there are many others TA tools people use

I’ve been on the wrong side of hedging trades many times. However, even with a 50/50 success rate, hedging can be profitable overall. When wrong, the loss is limited to the premium paid. When correct, the downside protection can be substantial. By coupling hedging with strong technical analysis, you can potentially improve that 50/50 chance to a slight more favorable odds. By "profit," I don’t mean protecting 100% of the portfolio. Instead, the benefit lies in reducing potential drawdowns and avoiding the need to sell shares (which would incur taxes). 

As mentioned earlier, this last thing, the confidence to hold core positions and avoid the need to sell shares is the biggest benefit of hedging. When I feel tempted to sell shares, my first thought is, "Why not hedge instead?" If I’m correct, I gain some downside protection. If I’m wrong, I’ve merely paid a small premium while retaining the opportunity to benefit from future gains (e.g., holding PLTR from $50 to $80 instead of selling prematurely at $50). This, by the way, is the entire raitonal behind the mindset of being prepared for a market top but not attempting to picking a top and selling shares. Keep in mind, the possibility for you to being wrong on hedge trade is a: stock goes up which is a good thing overall, or b: stock stays flat which is not so good as you waste premium but, hey, take it as a good overall outcome as that means your main porfolio is untouched. Again, good TA indicators can help in getting better odds at those timing.

I would say if market fluctuations is not a concern for you, and you’re not interested in taking advantge of large trend reversals, then hedging might not be necessary.

 

 

 

 

 

 

       

 

 

 

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是的。 期權還是比較複雜的,要看volatility, delata, etc. 在這一兩句說不清。TA非常關健 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (63 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:22:08

心裏關我覺得是最重要的。像昨天的大跌,完全沒有保護需要很強的心裏抗壓 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:30:33

Indeed. I had to exercise a lot of self discipline to -越挫越勇2- 給 越挫越勇2 發送悄悄話 (120 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:39:39

BTW, here is a strategy that is "always better" than selling -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (1132 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 20:11:07

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你的hedge買多遠的put or put spread? -start2020- 給 start2020 發送悄悄話 start2020 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:31:58

看情況。想QQQ這種大盤我這次買的是明年一月。 但TSLA買的是2 weeks -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (148 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:41:22

明年一月9號的嗎? -start2020- 給 start2020 發送悄悄話 start2020 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:44:25

QQQ? 一批1/10, 一批1/24 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:49:38

謝謝。我直接買的put。沒有加短腿 -start2020- 給 start2020 發送悄悄話 start2020 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 19:59:36

If do buy spread, you can also close any 1 leg first -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 21:21:01

如果我比較肯定跌勢,就買單退。不確定就用calendar,等確定後買回短腿或roll成debt spread -start2020- 給 start2020 發送悄悄話 start2020 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 22:01:40

QQQ走完這波A浪,在B浪反彈時還有一次機會加Put -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 12/19/2024 postreply 22:23:50

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