也說說對芝諾佯謬的看法吧: 它不是數學問題,而作為物理問題則至今未解,作為哲學問題則可討論

來源: 中間小謝 2021-10-29 14:24:01 [] [舊帖] [給我悄悄話] 本文已被閱讀: 次 (3511 bytes)

 

Zeno's presentation of this problem is limited to basic and intuitive geometry (the simplest of Euclidean geometry) and notions of physical materials derived from our daily life experiences.

If Zeno's paradox is to be taken as a problem of physics, then,

石凳說的衹是牛頓經典力學中的運動坐標問題: what is in motion in some reference frame (坐標)isn't necessarily so in some other reference frame.

In the Theory of Relativity, even the motion itself can not be uniquely defined because neither its temporal nor spatial factors can be uniquely defined. (Young Einstein's daydream of flying with a light beam). Neither the arrow itself can be uniquely defined due to the relativistic effect on the mass of the arrow. But still, each defined path in space-time  (so called "worldline" 世界綫) is precise. It is just not unique.

In quantum mechanics, even the trajectory of the arrow in motion cannot be precisely defined due to restrictions by the so called wave function.

Therefore, as a problem of physics, Zeno's paradox is still unresolved and likely never will as seen below when treated as a problem of philosophy. And it is never truly purely a problem of mathematics. To be more specific, motion 運動 is not a problem of mathematics

Treated as a problem of philosophy, that is, assuming a world built of the simplest Euclidean geometry and physical materials consistent with the notions of which we derived from our daily life experiences as stated in the beginning of this post. Then I would provide the following response to Zeno: If the observation that the arrow holds still (stationary) in some position and in some instant during its flight is valid, then the same observation must be valid before the flight. Therefore the motion itself has nothing to do with this capability of being stationary in space in some instant. Hence it is something else that sets the arrow into motion. This very agency is the solution to this paradox. Of course, this response doesn't answer the fundamental question about what this agency is, but this is what should be expected in the first place: The original question is proposed in a world that is artificial and not real.

But all these do not take away the significance of zeno's paradox. The speculation itself is worthy.

 

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嘗試回答那個agency是什麽,哲學就走向物理學。 -中間小謝- 給 中間小謝 發送悄悄話 (74 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 14:41:54

同意不能小看這個問題,不過在量子力學裏問題的原意完全改變,借殼生蛋而已 -老鍵- 給 老鍵 發送悄悄話 老鍵 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 15:12:37

量子力學領域裏人的觀察會影響粒子的運動狀態,有理論用高速頻閃觀察來凍結原子衰變 -老鍵- 給 老鍵 發送悄悄話 老鍵 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 15:16:14

都可以跟貓論聯係起來了 -stonebench- 給 stonebench 發送悄悄話 stonebench 的博客首頁 (1144 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 15:12:56

這個英文的前一部分有些延申的太過了。任何答案當然都要相對一個具體的係統才有意義。後麵這部分,存在不是“不動”,存在和運動是不同的 -cw- 給 cw 發送悄悄話 cw 的博客首頁 (663 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 15:49:59

王兄是哲學家與物理學家之合二為一,高人 -悟空孫- 給 悟空孫 發送悄悄話 悟空孫 的博客首頁 (50 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 15:59:37

如果是"在而動",那麽還有什麽飛矢''不動"的悖論?可見芝諾的意思衹能是"在而不動"。 -中間小謝- 給 中間小謝 發送悄悄話 (79 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 18:01:15

謝樓上各位。 -中間小謝- 給 中間小謝 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 10/29/2021 postreply 18:03:12

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