YG的饒舌歌曲是自由言論嗎?

來源: tz2000 2016-09-28 13:48:35 [] [舊帖] [給我悄悄話] 本文已被閱讀: 次 (5517 bytes)

下麵的案例:最高法院認為 “Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

也就是說煽動或引起近期發生的非法行為,或者可能引起這樣的非法行為,是不受第一修正案保護的。

事實上,判決中說到incite specific violence,和YG歌詞完全相配,他在說的是非常具體的犯罪行為,針對特定的人群。

相對來說,Brandenburg講的話根本就沒什麽出格。

Clarence Brandenburg, a 48 year-old television repair shop owner and leader of the Ku Klux Klan’s Ohio branch, held a rally in the summer of 1964 to articulate and celebrate his white supremacist ideology. Brandenburg proclaimed in front of local TV cameras: “if our president, our Congress, our Supreme Court, continues to suppress the white, Caucasian race, it’s possible that there might have to be some revengeance [sic] taken.” Indicating an impending Independence Day march on Washington, DC, the speech included such statements as, “the nigger should be returned to Africa, the Jew returned to Israel.” While Brandenburg was not evidently armed, other Klansmen at the rally were.

Brandenburg was found guilty of violating Ohio state law, which prohibited “advocat[ing] . . . the duty, necessity, or propriety of crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform,” as well as “voluntarily assembl[ing] with any society, group or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism.” His penalties included a $1,000 fine and a 1-10 year prison sentence.

In a landmark judgment, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction, contending that the Ohio law affronted Brandenburg’s freedom of speech, protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Instead, the Court held: “Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” Because the rally was not obviously intended to incite specific acts of violence, and because it was not likely to do so, government restriction of Brandenburg’s speech was unconstitutional.

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至少俺覺得如果真有非裔break in被抓後招供 -ecolio157h7- 給 ecolio157h7 發送悄悄話 (227 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 15:29:58

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政治正確不是法律術語,是政治術語 -檸檬椰子汁- 給 檸檬椰子汁 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 04:15:25

希望這個資料對您以幫助 -單身老貓- 給 單身老貓 發送悄悄話 單身老貓 的博客首頁 (203 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 14:51:00

謝謝兩位的意見。總體看來一定不是一個Simple and Easy Case -tz2000- 給 tz2000 發送悄悄話 (2391 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 15:54:07

已經告訴你沒有一個案件了,你還再做白日夢... -單身老貓- 給 單身老貓 發送悄悄話 單身老貓 的博客首頁 (495 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 16:20:14

1.看宣揚的是不是仇恨; 2.看民主黨喜不喜歡這種仇恨。 -smalleagle- 給 smalleagle 發送悄悄話 smalleagle 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 13:59:13

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又是一個以中國式政治思考方式來總結美國司法係統如何運作的天才.... -單身老貓- 給 單身老貓 發送悄悄話 單身老貓 的博客首頁 (50 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 17:34:20

理論上美國政法分離,政治不能立竿見影地幹擾司法係統運作。但老貓你忽略了政治影響民意,從而影響法律。因為立法的是政客,不是司法機構 -廢話多多- 給 廢話多多 發送悄悄話 廢話多多 的博客首頁 (1519 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 04:41:03

這才是理性的思考。 法律裁決是由人來執行的,政治和財力都是影響其結果的參數。 -阿好- 給 阿好 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 13:17:52

關鍵是多大程度受影響。中國可能95%, 美國可能5% -檸檬椰子汁- 給 檸檬椰子汁 發送悄悄話 (62 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 17:54:52

這方麵的例子舉不枚舉 -Green_sky- 給 Green_sky 發送悄悄話 (69 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 18:08:51

請您不要以偏概全... -單身老貓- 給 單身老貓 發送悄悄話 單身老貓 的博客首頁 (196 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 04:10:09

你有自由恨中國,但請你不要在這裏糊說。因為你在這裏是提供法律幫助的專業人員。 -阿好- 給 阿好 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 13:26:46

當然是自由。油管上還有很多阿拉伯激進分子的演講和洗腦視頻。這些都是受美國憲法保護的。youtube完全可以按照法律保持播放。 -I751- 給 I751 發送悄悄話 I751 的博客首頁 (59 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 23:01:32

各位是否知道有個政府機構負責public safety? 是否記得FBI鼓勵公眾反恐舉報,不必擔心後果? -TreyG- 給 TreyG 發送悄悄話 (162 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 07:29:31

這樣明顯的帶有種族歧視及慫恿對特定群體進行非法攻擊的影片進行公開展示及販賣,稍微有一點common sense的人都會覺得有問題 -lkk1080- 給 lkk1080 發送悄悄話 lkk1080 的博客首頁 (457 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 08:44:55

穀歌youtube沒少ban它認為有問題的視頻,但是就是不ban這個明顯挑動種族仇恨的視頻。 -smalleagle- 給 smalleagle 發送悄悄話 smalleagle 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 15:29:02

我隻知道如果是華人號召殺黑人,早就被抓了 -ahhhh- 給 ahhhh 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 09:18:24

+1 -jojo1971- 給 jojo1971 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 10/05/2016 postreply 20:35:58

1.看宣揚的是不是仇恨; 2.看民主黨喜不喜歡這種仇恨。如果民主黨喜歡這種仇恨那就沒事。 -smalleagle- 給 smalleagle 發送悄悄話 smalleagle 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 14:00:25

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