Thanks. That's exactly my point.

I just try to explain from a different angle, so that more people will understand, and maybe accept it.

There is direct proof out there for potential side effects/toxicity, but some people here choose not to see them.

So I try to explain from a different angle: you may yield undesired, sometimes harmful effects on "wrong" patients. This tells us that these herbs/medicine will potentially cause harm on some population. They are not side-effect free as some media claimed.