我也想請問那些質疑癌症化療的人幾個問題

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實在是看不下去了有些人在惡意或者善意的誤導病人。

請那些打壓化療功效的人先回答我幾個問題: 請問你得過癌症嗎?你家裏有人得癌症嗎?如果你或你的至親之人得了癌症,你敢不敢放棄傳統治療(手術,放化療)用自己的性命來賭一把那些自然療法,包括氣功等等的功效?

首先,我肯定自然療法的積極的地方,特別是蔬果汁作為一種輔助增進身體抵抗力的手段。但是,有沒有任何臨床上癌症治愈的例子是完全靠著喝蔬果汁成功的呢?如果有,比例是多少?我說的比例意思是: 10000個(乳腺,卵巢,肺,肝等等)癌患者,靠著蔬果汁,5年的存活率是x%。請不要用某個人張三靠著喝了蔬果汁肺癌痊愈的這樣的例子,沒有代表性。我需要的是臨床大組分析數據。因為對於癌症這種自身免疫調節出問題的病,有些人可能根本不用做什麽事,自己DNA就可以修複自愈,但是拿這個說事就顯得沒有意義,對吧?

然後,我來說一組數據,我在加拿大隻能用加拿大數據(懶得翻譯,各位自己看): 請注意15年來加拿大癌症存活率的提升。而且文章提到了這些提升的原因,我用下滑線表示了出來。

the long-term prognosis has generally improved for most types of cancer since the 1990s — sometimes markedly, according to new data from the Canadian Cancer Registry.

The overall five-year survival rate of Canadians diagnosed with cancer in the period from 2004 to 2006 is estimated to be 62 per cent of that of an identical group without cancer.

That's up slightly from 60 per cent for cancers diagnosed in the 1998-2000 period. In the 1994-1996 period, the ratio was 57 per cent.

"We are heartened to see that ... the overall five-year survival rate is 62 per cent and that's holding steady," said Gillian Bromfield, senior manager of cancer control policy with the Canadian Cancer Society.

"We want to see that go up. Sixty-two per cent is still in my mind, too low."

The 10-year survival rate is almost as high as the five-year rate — it's estimated at 58 per cent for cancers diagnosed in the 2004-2006 period.

"A diagnosis of cancer does not usually mean that death is imminent," the study notes.

The five-year relative survival ratio compares the observed survival of a group of people with cancer to the expected survival of other individuals assumed to be cancer-free.

For some cancers, the survival ratio has gone up appreciably. Liver cancer, for instance, saw its five-year survival rate almost double from nine per cent in 1992-1994 to 17 per cent. Leukemia's five-year survival ratio went from 44 per cent to 54 per cent and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma rose from 51 per cent to 63 per cent.

Reasons for improvement

For some cancers, long-term survival is very likely. The five-year survival rate for thyroid cancer is 98 per cent; prostate cancer's five-year rate is 96 per cent; and for testicular cancer, it's 95 per cent.

Breast cancer's five-year survival rate is now 88 per cent. It was 87 per cent in the 1998-2000 period.

"Big numbers like this usually don't lie," said Dr. Tom Hudson, president and scientific director of the Ontario Institute for Cancer Research in Toronto.

Hudson attributed the improved survival ratios to:

  • Early detection of tumours that tend to be smaller and less aggressive.
  • New treatments like Herceptin for 15 per cent of breast cancers.
  • Greater availability of screening tests for colorectal and cervical cancers and melanoma.
  • Safer forms of chemotherapy that have reduced complications.
我身邊有癌症控製的很好活了很長時間的,但是無一例外的在診斷後都經過了痛苦難熬的放化療。然後是多年來對自己不健康生活方式的改變,比如以素食為主,肉食少量,堅持鍛煉身體,保持積極樂觀心情等等。

其他的我也不說了,有些人沒得過癌症根本不理解癌症病人和家人的心情。我經曆過癌症,我隻能和大家說,一定還是聽醫生按照正統治療方案走,其它的輔助自然療法可以參考,可以選擇性采納,但是這些不能作為你的主治療方案。


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同意你的看法,隻是也有一些沒有經傳統手術和化療的長期生存 -華山97- 給 華山97 發送悄悄話 華山97 的博客首頁 (356 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 21:28:36

我寫的很清楚,要你們提供”臨床大組數據”。都是有文化的人兒。。。 -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 21:46:42

請你不要激動好嗎?看帖子仔細一些 -華山97- 給 華山97 發送悄悄話 華山97 的博客首頁 (530 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:01:01

對呀,我就是不清楚,才讓你show你的數據,反正我把我的數據擺出來了 -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (19 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 21:45:34

問題就在這!正規治療要是都有效,癌症就不是世界難題了! -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (119 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:02:31

你知道嗎,你們的所謂個體案例我相信是事實,但是沒有代表性! -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (6 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 21:50:52

這話說的太過分了,你是上帝來評判每個人的嗎? -華山97- 給 華山97 發送悄悄話 華山97 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:03:53

你別扯這些沒用的。你就回答我原帖的3個問題。特別是不要逃避第三個 -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:05:11

說的對,是他們的數據得不到所謂官方的承認。 -三問- 給 三問 發送悄悄話 三問 的博客首頁 (59 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:27:01

蔬果汁每天我都打著喝。但是我絕對不會對另一個等待治療的癌症病人說“化療沒用, -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (258 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 21:57:43

謝謝你的帖子和分享,不過,不要費力氣跟她爭論了 -華山97- 給 華山97 發送悄悄話 華山97 的博客首頁 (129 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:08:13

謝謝。 -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:12:03

你再仔細看看我的原帖,我有”貶低“自然療法嗎?是誰又在不負責任的貶低”正統治療“? -iori- 給 iori 發送悄悄話 iori 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:11:20

這是事實,但是你在混淆兩個概念 -華山97- 給 華山97 發送悄悄話 華山97 的博客首頁 (274 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:32:12

癌症是公認的未被攻克的難題,有不治之症之說 -華山97- 給 華山97 發送悄悄話 華山97 的博客首頁 (344 bytes) () 08/08/2013 postreply 22:50:39

支持一下。補充幾點個人觀點: -viewfinder- 給 viewfinder 發送悄悄話 viewfinder 的博客首頁 (866 bytes) () 08/09/2013 postreply 07:18:40

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