美國海軍戰爭大學教授,美國海軍退役艦長:最近2500年的28場海上戰爭,25場是軍艦數量多的一方獲勝。軍艦質量的作用不大

來源: easycity 2023-01-17 07:58:03 [] [舊帖] [給我悄悄話] 本文已被閱讀: 次 (7430 bytes)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/16/asia/china-navy-fleet-size-history-victory-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Expert’s warning to US Navy on China: Bigger fleet almost always wins

 

A Type 54A frigate of the Chinese navy leaves the Baltic Sea via the Kiel Canal.

 

Seoul, South Korea
CNN
 — 
As China continues to grow what is already the world’s largest navy, a professor at the US Naval War College has a warning for American military planners: In naval warfare, the bigger fleet almost always wins.

Writing in the January issue of the US Naval Institute’s Proceedings magazine, Sam Tangredi says if history is any lesson, China’s numerical advantage is likely to lead to defeat for the US Navy in any war with China.

Tangredi, the Leidos Chair of Future Warfare Studies at the US Naval War College and a former US Navy captain, looked at 28 naval wars, from the Greco-Persian Wars of 500 BC, through recent Cold War proxy conflicts and interventions. He found in only three instances did superior technology defeat bigger numbers.

“All other wars were won by superior numbers or, when between equal forces, superior strategy, or admiralship,” Tangredi wrote. “Often all three qualities act together, because operating a large fleet generally facilitates more extensive training and is often an indicator that leaders are concerned with strategic requirements,” Tangredi wrote.

The three outliers – wars from the 11th, 16th and 19th centuries – aren’t likely familiar to all but the most ardent of scholars, but others that show where numbers beat technology certainly are.

Take the Napoleanic wars of the early 1800s, for example.

“French warships were superior in the technology of ship design and construction, but ultimately, it was the large numbers of Royal Navy ships that prevented Napoleon from crossing the (English) channel,” Tangredi wrote.

Pacing threat
Pentagon leaders have identified China as the US military’s “pacing threat.” But fleet size numbers show that the US military can’t keep pace with China’s naval growth.

The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) surpassed the US Navy in fleet size sometime around 2020 and now has around 340 warships, according to the Pentagon’s 2022 China Military Power Report, released in November. China’s fleet is expected to grow to 400 ships in the next two years, the report says.

Meanwhile, the US fleet sits under 300 ships, and the Pentagon’s goal is to have 350 manned ships, still well behind China, by 2045, according to the US Navy’s Navigation Plan 2022 released last summer.

So to compete, US military leaders are counting on technology.

That same Pentagon document says, “the world is entering a new age of warfare, one in which the integration of technology, concepts, partners, and systems — more than fleet size alone — will determine victory in conflict.”

But Tangredi points to World War II in the Pacific, where Japanese technology began as the better of America’s, as an example of why the Pentagon’s conclusions don’t necessarily hold true.

“Imperial Japan entered the war with some superior technologies: the Zero fighter, Long-Lance torpedo, and aerial torpedoes that could strike in shallow water,” Tangredi wrote in Proceedings.

“However, it was the overall might of US industry and the size of the US fleet (particularly its logistics and amphibious ships) that ground out victory over the Imperial Japanese Navy,” he said.

‘Attrition is a real thing’
Alessio Patalano, professor of war and strategy at King’s College in London, praised Tangredi’s work.

“His research is a very good way to push back on the silly assumption that mass doesn’t matter in war at sea,” Patalano said.

He stressed two key points.

A larger size means more leaders looking to gain the edge in their commands.

“A larger fleet tend to be more competitive, in training personnel development, and operational capacity,” Patalano said.

And he said a large industrial base is essential, especially in being able to build new units after incurring casualties in battle.

“In naval war, attrition is a real thing, so the ability to replace is vital,” Patalano said.

Tangredi’s look at the World War II aircraft carrier fleets shows the stark numbers. Both the US and Japan began the war with eight carriers, he said.

“During the war, Imperial Japan built 18 carrier-equivalents … while the United States built 144. Unless the United States decided not to fight, Japan never had a chance,” he wrote.

Shipbuilding was a US strength when it was the world’s industrial giant in the 1940s. That title now falls to China.

“Most analysts doubt that the US defense industry — which has consolidated and shrunk since the end of the Cold War — could expand quickly enough to meet wartime demand,” Tangredi wrote.

Replenishing ammunition stocks
Indeed, there is worry US industry cannot keep up with the demand of providing weapons assistance to Ukraine to fight Russia’s invasion while keeping US weapons arms inventories at adequate levels.

Adm. Daryl Caudle, commander of US Fleet Forces Command, last week called on the nation’s defense industries to step up their game, saying “you’re not delivering the ordnance we need.”

“It’s so essential to winning. And I can’t do that without the ordnance,” Caudle said at a symposium in Washington, adding that the US is “going against a competitor here, and a potential adversary, that is like nothing we’ve ever seen.”

In an online forum last week, Caudle’s boss, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday, also noted the numbers problem the US faces in a potential Pacific conflict.

“The United States Navy is not going to be able to match the PLAN missile for missile,” Gilday said.

And if the US Navy can’t match China’s missile for missile, or ship for ship, Tangredi wonders where it can find an edge.

“US leaders must ask themselves to what extent they are willing to bet on technological — without numerical — superiority in that fight,” he wrote.

“I do not say that a smaller, technologically superior fleet could never defeat a much larger fleet, I only say that — with the possible the exception of three cases in the past 1,200 years — none has.”

 

所有跟帖: 

都是紙上談兵,二戰後沒有大型海戰,一切都是推論 -cn_abcd- 給 cn_abcd 發送悄悄話 cn_abcd 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:01:58

這可以說是從動物界到人類,從古到今,從冷兵器到核大戰的規律,武器沒有代差,雙方就拚數量,拚生產能力,拚資源。海戰隻是特例 -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (138 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:07:28

對也不對,還有戰術戰略。 -cn_abcd- 給 cn_abcd 發送悄悄話 cn_abcd 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:11:43

戰略戰術都會在戰爭中得到提升,不是致勝的關鍵。這位教授舉的例子,美日太平洋戰爭。美軍初期戰略戰術極其笨拙無能。蘇德也一樣 -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:15:52

中途島戰役? -cn_abcd- 給 cn_abcd 發送悄悄話 cn_abcd 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:24:10

1942年6月的中途島戰役時,美國海軍已經吸取了1942年上半年一係列失敗的教訓,尤其是珊瑚海航母大戰。兵員素質提升很快 -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (222 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:30:25

這是有可能的,日本沒有戰略家認識到應該奪下夏威夷 -cn_abcd- 給 cn_abcd 發送悄悄話 cn_abcd 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:54:13

日本的困境同樣適用於中國。這就是為啥中國在太平洋挑戰美國絕無勝利的可能的原因。 -hkzs- 給 hkzs 發送悄悄話 hkzs 的博客首頁 (204 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:33:14

不同意。因為戰艦數量是動態的,不是開戰時絕對數量多者必勝而是終戰時幸存數量多者勝。 -hkzs- 給 hkzs 發送悄悄話 hkzs 的博客首頁 (710 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:53:29

這位教授指出,持續幾年到幾十年的海上戰爭,軍艦數量重要,建造軍艦的工業能力更重要。現在軍艦數量,中國400,美國300. -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:03:24

這其實用不著他來說,任何一場持久戰最後都取決於雙方的工業能力和資源(包括人力、物資、資金) -過來人2- 給 過來人2 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:08:14

這位教授的貢獻,是詳細列舉了曆史上真實發生的海戰,並且證明,大國之間的海戰,都是消耗戰,戰略,戰術,和技術的作用有限。 -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:20:00

所以戰爭獲勝的唯一訣竅,就是多打戰爭,在戰爭中學習戰爭,在戰爭中清理腐敗。 -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:32:09

對,就連最低等的螞蟻打架,大個頭的黑螞蟻,數量少了,絕對打不過數量多的小個頭紅螞蟻。 -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:17:14

就算美國能夠以一敵二,損失200艘軍艦,拚掉中國全部400艘軍艦。然後呢?美國用剩下的100艘軍艦,繼續當世界警察? -easycity- 給 easycity 發送悄悄話 (177 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:40:45

當然。另外,既然中國海軍全滅了,那根本沒有可能再在短時間內重新再建一支同樣規模的艦隊。這是中國不如美國的地方。 -hkzs- 給 hkzs 發送悄悄話 hkzs 的博客首頁 (179 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:38:01

中國人民解放軍海軍就是靠大量漁船,用手榴彈炸沉了美帝的北越炮艦的! -第五代非領導人- 給 第五代非領導人 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 08:55:47

西沙海戰的對手是南越的美製軍艦。 -天青水藍- 給 天青水藍 發送悄悄話 天青水藍 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:00:28

哈哈哈,漁船;) -天台坐客- 給 天台坐客 發送悄悄話 天台坐客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 01/17/2023 postreply 09:28:00

請您先登陸,再發跟帖!

發現Adblock插件

如要繼續瀏覽
請支持本站 請務必在本站關閉/移除任何Adblock

關閉Adblock後 請點擊

請參考如何關閉Adblock/Adblock plus

安裝Adblock plus用戶請點擊瀏覽器圖標
選擇“Disable on www.wenxuecity.com”

安裝Adblock用戶請點擊圖標
選擇“don't run on pages on this domain”