jonas is a guy I personally requested to analyze my uh utterings about China uh
because I think he's one of the smartest guys in the country and he's an honest
man as well uh he's Victor Davis Hansen you know him he's a syndicated columnist uh he works at the Hoover Institution
which is on a on the campus of Stanford
University right professor that's where
your Hoover is right okay so you know
you know the and there are tons uh one
of the there was only one woman in the
um and these were hard men by the way in
the on in the room where I gave the
seminar about 14 of them 13 men one
woman who was a Stanford grat very
articulate woman powerful woman um the
other guy she she put the other guys to
shame um because she understood a little
bit about the flow in and out of the USA
where the a lot of them didn't they
really you know they were very hardcore
mauists anyway uh you've read my column
you listen to my bloiating here what say
you
Victor Davis Hanson
well I think China has a if you compare the cold if we were are in a cold war and a lot of people think we are and you compare that to the Soviet Union 50 years China has a a very different place in the relationship of the United States
we had no Soviet students here uh we had no trade agreements it was a
cold war but I would like to see more of a normalization of what I think is kind
of an aberrant uh we have 300,000 students at Stanford we just have a
series of Stanford Review articles revealing that there's a there was an organized espionage group of students uh we had a member of the people's liberation army on the faculty as a visiting neuro um scientist about four years ago the Confucious uh Institute was shut down uh the DVOS first term Trump Department of Education fined Stanford for not reporting a lot of contributions so it's a it I I guess what I'm saying Bill is that the view of George HW Bush and and Bill Clinton and George W bush and to a lesser uh to a greater extent Obama that the more engagement you have with China they were going to be impressed with American culture um tolerance and they were going to become emulate us and then they would that's not happening no it's not happening it's not happening so I think the Trump position was that we had given them um a sense of appeasement or laxity and our magnuminity was reciprocated by uh taking advantages of rather than reciprocity and I think right now we're in a period where when you look at China they're building three or four nuclear warheads a month and they plan to get up to about 1,200 in five years um they run they have violated that we don't have much success with them on copyrights patents dumping product uh currency manipulation uh I would like to think that maybe Hong Kong uh would have been an example for Taiwan but when you look what's happened to Hong Kong Johnny lies in prison and they pretty much suppress
free speech so I guess what I'm saying is because of World War II and we have a
large Chinese population here there was a natural empathy for closer relationships and it wasn't the Cold War Truman U Eisenhower or cold war there was a there was a real opportunity the Americans thought to reach out to China and to give them indulgences that we didn't other countries that we had been.
yeah it worked for a little
while it worked for a little while but
then she got in and she is you know it's
she's personal legacy is tied in with
Taiwan do you believe I I said that I
came up with this uh partnership for
prosperity and peace and the reason that
I did is because China has to feed 1.5
billion they're hurting okay their
economy needs the United States that is
the big leverage we have over them
and they are willing to make a deal I
believe do you believe that
Victor Davis Hanson
i think they're willing to make a deal
in the economic realm because they're
suffering kind of a historic phenomenon
that the more they have upward mobility
rather than the population being
satisfied it's just a human trait human
nature they're they're even more
ambitious for a better life and it's
very hard to fulfill the expectations of
the Chinese growing middle class um
because they're not spending what they
should on dome domestic uh it's all
military stuff yeah it's all military
belt but they're Spartans over there but
what I saw
I tested them a couple of
times i said you're not going to get
anywhere with Trump because it was all
Trump centric you know you gave a very
logical and good historical analysis
that's not what they're interested in
they're interested in Trump okay and I
said "The first thing you have to do is
knock out the fentanyl." Okay and you
know you have to knock it out and they
go "Well we are but the precursor." I
said "I don't want to hear precursor."
And remember that this was translated i
you know they had the little things and
cuz half the room spoke English half
didn't but the instant translation I
said "I want to hear prior say you don't
need fentanyl you don't need any of it
knock it out give President Trump that
that's where you start you don't need to
be in bed with Putin and I warned them
about Putin i said "He can try to be his
friend but he'll turn on you like a
snake you don't need to be cutting up to
to the Mullers." Okay united States will
supply your energy needs in a much more
benign way they could not answer any of those
things professor none and I just laid it
out i said "You're going to if you're
going to consort with bad guys evil guys
and that's what the label you're going
to get why do you need it you don't need
it it doesn't help you." And that was
the thrust of the 90 minutes
Victor Davis Hanson
yeah i think the trumpet and I can't
speak for them but and you know them
better than I do but I think they're
they're in this narrow Soviet uh Russia
China American relationship they're
trying to have a Kissinger paradigm
where China is no better friend to
Russia than it is to us russia is no
better friend or enemy whatever to China
than it is to us and triangulate and
check power because they have historic
animosities China and Russia oh yeah and
for some re the Ukrainian I think we're
in a period of a real problem because
they they are in an alignment but it's
going to be very hard for any Chinese
communist uh leader as it is for Putin
in a dictatorial but even more so I
think when you have an idealitarian
ideology Putin is kind of like a
dictator that makes it up as he goes
along ideologically but whether it's
Iran that is ideological and
totalitarian or China it's very hard for
those leaders to uh compromise their
ideology because they have a whole group
of people surrounding them that don't
respond to the same incentives as either
western democracies or dictatorships
where they
Bill O'Reilly
I'll tell you why there wasn't a lot of love for Putin or Iran
in that room they don't care about the
Ukraine the Chinese and they don't care
about Russia okay but there wasn't a lot
of love all right let's pivot to uh to
the attack by the Trump administration
on the universities we all know uh the
indoctrination across the country um at
Harvard at Stanford you know the finest
uh educational institutes have basically
set themselves up as progressive left
institutions and that's what Trump is
trying to break down and he's using a
hammer to do it can you predict the
outcome
Victor Davis Hanson
yeah I think they're going to have to
cut a deal with them it's analogous Bill
to illegal immigration the left keeps
saying that there's no criminals here it
we don't have a problem then almost
every day we have an illegal immigrant
that kills somebody or which we saw in
Colorado is commits a terrorist act the
universities have so many things that
are so antithetical to the public and I
just for years Stanford Harvard they had
been charging the federal government
anywhere from 45 to 55% sir charges on
individual grants that was about $190
million in annual income from Stanford
now they got to go down to 15% for years
they have defied the last three years of
Supreme Court decision on the end of
affirmative action and basically racial
preference they have but they they have
self-righteous uh eupheanisms so we call
it auxiliary graduations a themehouse
but basically they're segregated dorms
segregated by race uh graduation
ceremonies if you are accused of sexual
harassment they do not give you and that
was title nine that came from the Obama
administration where they said you will
not give them beyond reasonable a doubt
or you're going to lose federal funds so
the defendant can't face his accuser
they know that that's a violation of the
constitution they also know that the
Chinese government and especially gutter
have been giving them aggregate $50
billion and that has really affected uh
our foreign policy because for a
generation now people coming out of
these graduate programs have taken
classes they've experienced professors
that were subsidized by these two
governments and so I could go on but
there's a lot of anti-semitism is
endemic at Stanford we had a 900page
report by liberal professors
is one of the most damning documents
I've ever seen so they don't want to get
in a fight with Trump because they're
they have so much exposure that
culpability they charge 110% for foreign
students they've got third of the of the
student body it's all about money but
the ideology
they won't even pull back
at Harvard they acknowledge that 80% of
the hires are progressives maybe there's
five uh conservative teachers they
wouldn't even acknowledge that's wrong
and so I'm I'm basically hoping that you
know Trump is going to has all the cards
Victor Davis Hanson
yeah trump has all the cards a recent
Gallup poll said public support was 65%
confidence in higher education but
driving the media nuts oh they had it
down it's down to 30% and Trump has he's
looking at taxing the endowment income
he's Oh yeah he's going to go everywhere
that's They're going to have to cut yeah
they're going to have to cut a deal with
him i don't think he'll win he'll he'll
win that i think he's And I think that
if uh she and Trump get in the building
together that they'll uh they'll cut
some deals there too thank you professor
we really appreciate your expertise and
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