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馬來西亞前總理馬哈蒂爾：中國發展不可阻擋
馬哈蒂爾嚴厲批評了美國遏製中國崛起的努力。
2025年5月3日
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/you-cant-stop-china-from-growing-says-ex-malaysian-pm-mahathir
八打靈再也——馬來西亞前總理馬哈蒂爾認為，美國正在“挑釁”中國，使其走向災難性的衝突。
在接受《時代》雜誌采訪時，馬哈蒂爾嚴厲批評了美國遏製中國崛起的努力。
“他們非常勤勞，技藝高超，你無法阻止他們發展。”
“中國會竭盡全力保住市場，他們現在的做法和歐洲人之前的做法一模一樣。”他說道。
馬哈蒂爾甚至稱美國在南海的“航行自由”行動“破壞穩定”，並呼籲美國撤軍。
“假設中國派軍艦前往加勒比海並在那裏進行（演習），美國會怎麽做？”
“這不是美國，這是南海，這是亞洲。美國是世界強國，但你必須明智地使用這種力量，不要挑起國家間的衝突。”他說道。
當被問及中國2月份在新西蘭附近進行的突擊實彈演習時，馬哈蒂爾對此無動於衷，他帶著迷人的笑容告訴《時代》雜誌：“新西蘭仍然是遠東。”
這位前總理最近在吉隆坡的辦公室接受了采訪。《時代》雜誌指出，盡管他已年逾99歲，但他仍然每天早上8點45分到達辦公桌，很少在下午5點之前離開。
“我總是建議人們，上了年紀後應該積極活動。讓自己忙碌起來，讓你的大腦也忙碌起來。如果他們沉睡，就會失去活力。”他告訴這家美國新聞雜誌。
《時代》雜誌稱，2020年，馬哈蒂爾曾警告稱，美國總統唐納德·特朗普的回歸將帶來“災難”，而這些年來，他的想法從未改變。
“談論接管格陵蘭島、巴拿馬，以及驅逐加沙地帶的居民——這些事情現在不能??做。
“你必須考慮人民的權利。” “這不是治理國家的方式，”他告訴《時代》雜誌。
馬哈蒂爾博士表示，特朗普還曾威脅吞並盟友，背著基輔與俄羅斯就烏克蘭主權問題進行談判，並發動了一場自相殘殺的貿易戰。
“美國過去常常談論人權、發展之類的事情。當然，我們認為這很棒，因為美國本身曾是英國的殖民地，後來獨立並成為世界強國。
“所以，我們想向他們學習。但現在，我們看到了一個新的美國，”他在采訪中說道。
“我認為他（特朗普）不了解世界。他落後了100年，”馬哈蒂爾博士說。
關於烏克蘭衝突，他告訴《時代》雜誌，這是西方“挑釁”俄羅斯的問題。
他認為，在蘇聯解體後，莫斯科領導的華沙條約組織解散後，北約就應該被廢除。
“相反，北約決定將所有華沙條約組織國家納入北約，與俄羅斯對抗。在烏克蘭加入北約之前，俄羅斯就采取了先發製人的行動，”他說道。
在采訪中，馬哈蒂爾博士還回憶起2005年與俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾·普京會麵的情景，當時他剛卸任總理兩年。
普京先生曾到他家做客。
“實際上，我告訴他，‘你不能來我家；從禮儀上來說，這樣做是不對的’，但他堅持要來，”馬哈蒂爾博士說道。
他補充說，普京先生的隨行人員得知他家甚至連圍牆都沒有後都大吃一驚。
“為了（普京的）安全，像我這樣的人沒有圍欄簡直是不可想象的，”他笑著說道。
他補充說，他們進行了長達四個小時的會談，普京先生很想看看馬來西亞是如何從一個農業國發展成為工業國的。
“我和他談話時，談的是發展、增加貿易，基本上就是要淡化共產主義，利用資本主義意識形態，”馬哈蒂爾博士說道。《星報》/亞洲新聞網
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You can't stop China from growing, says ex-Malaysian PM Mahathir
Former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad was scathing of American efforts to contain China's rise.
MAY 03, 2025
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/you-cant-stop-china-from-growing-says-ex-malaysian-pm-mahathir
PETALING JAYA - Former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad believes the United States is “provoking” China towards a catastrophic conflict.
In an interview with Time magazine, Tun Dr Mahathir was scathing in his criticism of American efforts to contain the rising superpower that is China.
“They are a very hard-working people, very skilful, you can’t stop them from growing.
“China will do everything to retain the market and is doing exactly what the Europeans were doing before,” he said.
Dr Mahathir went as far as to call US “freedom of navigation” sorties in the South China Sea “destabilising” and called for them to withdraw.
“Suppose China sends warships to the Caribbean and conducts (exercises) there, what would America do?
“This is not America, this is the South China Sea, this is Asia. The US is a world power, but you have to use that power judiciously, not to provoke conflicts between nations,” he said.
When asked about China’s surprise live-fire drills off New Zealand in February, Dr Mahathir was unmoved, telling Time with a winsome grin: “New Zealand is still the Far East.”
The former prime minister was interviewed in his office in Kuala Lumpur recently, and Time noted that despite being a venerable 99 years of age, he still arrived at his desk at 8.45am and rarely left before 5pm.
“I always advise people when they age, they should be active. Keep yourself busy and your brain busy. If they go to sleep, they lose their power,” he told the American news magazine.
In 2020, Dr Mahathir warned that US President Donald Trump’s return would bring “disaster” and nothing in the intervening years has changed his mind, Time said.
“Talking about taking over Greenland, Panama, and expelling people from Gaza – these kinds of things cannot be done now.
“You have to consider the rights of people. This is not the way you run countries,” he told Time.
Dr Mahathir said Mr Trump had also threatened to annex allies, bargained Ukrainian sovereignty with Russia behind Kyiv’s back, and launched an internecine trade war.
“The US used to talk about human rights, development and things like that. Of course, we thought that was great because the US itself was a British colony but became independent and a world power.
“So, we wanted to learn from them. But now, we are seeing a new United States,” he was quoted as saying in his interview.
“I don’t think he (Trump) understands the world. He’s 100 years behind the times,” Dr Mahathir said.
On the conflict in Ukraine, he told Time that it was a matter of the West “provoking” Russia.
He argued that Nato should have been abolished after the Moscow-led Warsaw Pact counter bloc was dissolved following the fall of the Soviet Union.
“Instead, Nato decided to take all the Warsaw Pact countries and join Nato and confront Russia. Before Ukraine could join Nato, Russia took pre-emptive action,” he said.
During the interview, Dr Mahathir also recalled meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2005, two years after he had stepped down as prime minister for the first time.
Mr Putin had visited him at home.
“Actually, I told him, ‘You cannot come to my house; protocol-wise, it’s wrong’, but he insisted,” Dr Mahathir said.
He added that Mr Putin’s entourage had been aghast to learn that his house did not even have a perimeter wall.
“For (Putin’s) security, to have somebody like me with no fence was unthinkable,” he said with a laugh.
He added that they had a four-hour meeting and Mr Putin was interested in seeing how Malaysia managed to become industrialised from being an agro-based country.
“When I talked to him, it was about development, increasing trade, basically to be less communistic, to make use of capitalist ideology,” Dr Mahathir said. THE STAR/ASIA NEWS NETWORK
