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Jayant Bhandari 問題在豬文化非債務 資本主義與道德
Jayant Bhandari - 問題在於PIGS文化而非債務 [2015年資本主義與道德研討會]
資本主義與道德 2016年5月6日
Jayant Bhandari-PIGS Culture Not Debt is the Problem [Capitalism & Morality Seminar 2015]
Capitalism And Morality 2016年5月6日
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Jayant是《自由》雜誌的特約編輯，曾為米塞斯研究所、米塞斯研究所（加拿大）、凱西研究中心、《魁北克自由報》、《Sprott’s Thoughts》、LewRockwell.com等機構撰稿。本次演講於2015年8月在加拿大溫哥華舉行的資本主義與道德研討會上發表。http://www.jayantbhandari.com/Seminar...
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我想談談我對……的看法。西方文明
可能正在消亡，我最近剛結束在意大利為期一個月的訪問。過去幾年，我訪問過希臘、西班牙和意大利很長一段時間。我的興趣不僅在於了解地中海沿岸國家的未來，還在於感受西方文明的未來。以一種非常複雜的方式，我認為人們應該
訪問這些國家，了解發展中國家的未來。旅行時，我的主要興趣是了解我所訪問國家的文化。我更喜歡像當地人一樣生活。我會在咖啡館閑逛，去當地人常去的地方。我花很多時間在城市的貧困地區，我會去那些沒有最貧困人口的城市。在我看來，很容易迷失在經濟數字中，所以你可以選擇你想要得出的結論，然後你可以選擇一個經濟數字，這樣人們就會選擇GDP、GDP增長率、利率、匯率、人口統計數據、公共和私人債務等數字。你幾乎可以……隨便找一個數字來證明，你有一個預先確定的清單，在我看來，這些都是孤立的，它討厭你，它們本身無法幫助你理解這個國家正在走的路。要理解這條路，你必須試著去理解這個國家的文化。文化就是規則。你理解了文化，你就會明白，你就會解開分支的謎題。你理解了文化，它為你提供了一個背景，讓你能夠理解我所說的經濟數據的細節。我認為很多經濟學家應該避免住五星級酒店，開著裝有空調的奔馳車到處跑。他們無法通過在核心國家過西方生活來真正理解當地文化。一旦你理解了文化，你就不會再感到困惑，你也不會再陷入關於索馬裏是不是自由主義國家、瑞典是不是社會主義國家的循環討論。但今天我想談談葡萄牙、意大利、希臘和西班牙，統稱為空間。在我的演講中，你會發現我很喜歡這個縮寫詞，現在在更大的範圍內，特別是希臘和塞浦路斯。微不足道，它們對世界沒有任何影響，某種程度上隻是噪音，但它們能讓你一窺西方文明的未來。正如我所說，我去過這些國家，過去幾年在這些國家待了相當長一段時間，但因為意大利在我腦海中記憶猶新，所以我將主要關注意大利。接下來我要談論的內容，我認為在文化上也適用於其他科技領域。羅馬帝國曾經統治過世界上很大一部分地區，在其鼎盛時期，它建立在希臘的貢獻之上。他們提供了一種感知世界的方式，將人類與動物區分開來。他們做了一些事情，將人類從軍營生活提升到文明社會。那是什麽？希臘和羅馬向人類展示了一種推理和理解因果關係的方法。現在，那些理解這些概念、在這些概念中長大的人認為它們是理所當然的，但對很大一部分人類來說，情況並非如此。希臘和羅馬開創了一種能夠將人類從未知、神秘和不可預測的力量下解放出來的方法。出於對自然的敬畏以及對中世紀晚期牧師的恐懼，意大利對文藝複興做出了巨大的貢獻，這基本上推動了人類文明前所未有的物質進步，像列奧納多達芬奇和米開朗基羅這樣的天才就生活在這裏，這就是今天的意大利，這是一個常見的敘事慣例，關於掛鉤的可接受的敘述，我經常聽到這種敘述，這種敘述是豬是自由放任的社會，這種敘述是這些國家給予他們的人民很多個人自由，他們可能不會在金錢上滾滾而來，但根據這種敘述，這些人實際上享受著他們的生活，當然，當他們試圖將豬與現在的北美人進行比較時，這種敘述就出現了，意大利人時尚吸引著來自世界各地的人們，從日本、韓國到中國。當你傍晚漫步在城市裏的公共廣場，你會發現很早就擠滿了年輕人。當然，在意大利你可以公開喝酒。我完全支持這一點。這些年輕人來到公共廣場時，他們應該已經睡了個長覺了。而當我晨跑的時候，他們還在廣場上聚會。現在，這些人以深厚的社會地位和緊密的家庭關係而聞名。這些家庭關係應該非常緊密。我來自一個傳統觀念認為家庭關係非常緊密的國家，但我現在不想談論這個。人們相信這些人非常熱心，他們互相關心。然而，這隻是冰山一角，現實情況卻大相徑庭。希臘最近投票決定，反對減少他們從歐盟其他國家獲得的免費物品。幾十年的安逸生活和遊離堿讓很多人養成了養寵物的習慣。期待免費的東西是他們現在的天性，正如我所說，我旅行時嚐試與很多人交談，但我很難回憶起一個衣著光鮮、受過良好教育的人告訴我，
他們同意減少免費贈品，他們已經習慣於繼續獲得免費的東西。現在，豬在很多方麵都是第三世界國家，如果不是靠近或被摧毀的北歐，他們就會是第三世界國家。
公共場所到處都是塗鴉，火車站和銀行都很髒，排隊很長，毫無幫助，而且經常是路。真的，如果你最終惹惱了一位自以為高人一等的意大利阿姨，所有問題都會被誇大，即使是無關緊要的問題也會冒出來，然後就會爆發，最終導致局勢的爆發。
情緒無法通過理性來化解，你必須用情緒來緩和。所以，讓我來談談我在意大利遇到的一些事情。我深夜抵達米蘭機場，走出海關區，問訊處空無一人，沒有安保。官方的，要麽完全沒有，要麽根本沒有，根本就沒有任何人能給你提供任何幫助，機場也沒有自動取款機，晚上他們都鎖起來了，我在希臘、西班牙和意大利旅行時，腦子裏立刻閃過一個問題：意大利的年輕人失業率是41%，而失業率隻有1%。我一直在想的問題是，失業率這麽高，為什麽這些信息台沒有管理處，為什麽沒有人來幫忙？我本來可以做那種工作，每小時5美元甚至更低。現在對千禧一代來說，這就是令人驚歎的建築。在鬥獸場建成後的今天，它每天的接待人數仍然比它實際運營時多。他們現在賺的錢比以往任何時候都多。意大利的城市擠滿了遊客，不是歐洲人，而是去他們的海灘、城市、博物館和度假村。500到2000年前在意大利投資的資本，仍然是意大利最大的收入來源之一，這就是資本的好處，它可以讓你即使發動機長時間失去動力，車輛也能正常運轉。但當我參觀古羅馬廣場、羅馬鬥獸場和博物館時，我的經曆與我在米蘭機場的經曆非常相似。我通常會期待保安、導遊等人員確保遊客不會打擾博物館裏那些昂貴的藝術品和雕像，或者不會真的去弄亂羅馬鬥獸場的石頭等等。但我幾乎從未在這些地方看到過人。他們站在這些建築物外麵聊天、抽煙。現在，豬圈裏的人有非常強烈的受害者心態。受害者心態本身就足以摧毀任何文明。在彭博社，你可能會聽到或看到希臘人、意大利人和西班牙人抱怨德國人停止給他們送免費的東西。但當我和這些人交談時，我幾乎從未聽到過德國這個名字。他們討厭的不是德國，而是彼此。如果你和亞美尼亞人交談，他們會談論土耳其人，你以為土耳其人會針對土耳其人，他們會談論希臘，而希臘人會說意大利人很多壞話，而意大利人會說西班牙的壞話。反之亦然，這是一種奇怪的狹隘的民族主義，我在這些國家看到過，如果你在意大利，如果你看到一座雕像，如果你對一個意大利人暗示你認為這座雕像可能是希臘的，你會臉紅，臉上有一些非常簡單的事情，比如穿這個，喝點好飲料，或者那個長相甜美的掃地機器人，你在工作內褲裏吃的東西是土耳其軟糖之類的希臘語會導致心胸狹窄的民族主義論點，我對在這些國家所看到的一切感到非常不寒而栗，現在扒竊在巴勒斯坦極為常見，他們是世界上最厲害的扒竊者，大約一個月前，我的護照、信用卡、現金、相機和其他一些東西被扒竊了，當時我正在那不勒斯機場模糊的火車站查看火車的站台分配，對不起，發生了一件好事，我頭頂上到處都是CCD攝像機，當這件事發生在我身上時，我非常自信地跑到警察局，不到五分鍾，我就和一名警察交談，向他解釋發生了什麽事，但我還沒來得及解釋，他笑了，然後他讓我填個表，揮手讓我走，我堅持要他至少出來，距離我被扒竊的地方隻有半分鍾的路程，如果他能確定地點，以便他可以與閉路電視錄像進行核對，他們絕對沒有興趣這樣做，現在在我接下來的評論中，Sariah繼續說道，如果有必要，所以我沒有護照，沒有錢，沒有信用卡，我得趕往下一個目的地，所以我去了售票處，櫃台說這是警方報告，我有票，但我的火車已經開走了，因為我當時在警察局，能讓我上下一班火車嗎？
那趟車還有15到20分鍾就要開了。他態度很粗魯，既不熱情也不關心我的問題。我和經理談過，他的回答和接下來的談話中類似。接下來的兩周，我還在意大利旅行。我跟幾個人提到了這起扒竊案，他們幾乎本能地認為扒竊我的人是吉普賽人。如果你是非洲人、吉普賽人或黑人，那你很難在pegs找到工作。現在，我其實對這三個群體沒有太多同情，因為總的來說，他們來自更糟糕的國家，他們應該更好地利用他們來的地方的機會。但與此同時，很難理解這種對pegs的偏見在針對吉普賽人、穆斯林和黑人的係統中是如何形成的。現在，在我把這些線索聯係起來之後，我的情況也是如此。我意識到我被意大利白人“坑”了，但我把這件事告訴了警察，他們對我的話不感興趣。後來我把這件事告訴了其他人，他們也失去了興趣。所以在我看來，與北美人相比，那些“釘子”們並不是真正隨心所欲的人。他們對工作漠不關心，更熱衷於分手。他們非常消費主義，更容易花光所有積蓄，因此更容易負債。他們非常注重部落觀念，並不真正關心部落之外的人。這個問題縈繞在我腦海裏一段時間。他們是否關心部落內部的人？我不確定我是否有足夠的軼事經驗可以分享。所以我想知道這些家庭的聯係有多緊密。我確實認識一些人，我在意大利的一些熟人，他們非常注重家庭。他們的孩子直到三四十歲仍然和父母住在一起。但這種聯係似乎很小，因為媽媽們洗衣服做飯，但這隻是一個想法。
我不確定實際情況如何。我所知道的是，他們如何工作以及如何維護公共空間，並不能反映出他們對彼此的愛、開車、吸煙和對工作的厭惡。
這真的能說明這些人的幸福生活嗎？對我來說，
現在，整天做著討厭的事情，這真的很難受。
在我看來，我並不反對這種可憐的生活方式，但在我看來，以享樂為中心的
生活，以享樂和無休止的派對為中心，或者僅僅是為了
逃避日常生活的單調乏味。
所以我知道電視和公共媒體上有很多關於豬死亡的討論，人們認為死亡才是問題所在。
我認為這些人主要關注的是表麵現象，正如我最初所說，他們主要關注一些孤立的經濟數字，而
豬的處境與世界上任何地方的窮人的處境並沒有什麽不同。
中了數百萬美元的彩票，那些窮困潦倒的人
往往在幾個月內就會變得和中獎前一樣窮困潦倒。
我認為豬的情況也類似，如果用一根魔杖
就能中和死亡，它們的情況很快就會惡化。
寵物的問題其實是他們文化的問題，他們已經失去了理性。
這很諷刺，因為這個地區是理性的發源地。
在我看來，列奧納多·達·芬奇和米開朗基羅在意大利會完全感到格格不入。
這就是我得出的結論：當我說我看到了西方文明的未來，但在邪教中經濟和情感依賴的根源，乞丐心態，積極權利的概念堵塞了社會文明的動脈，這些積壓物會不斷積累，社會越不理性，就越難找到回歸理性的途徑，所以那些認為真理和理性永遠應該被接受的人，我認為是完全錯誤的。為了避免像北歐和北美那樣的未來，我認為應該嚐試了解豬的文化，我不想就此展開太多，但即使是發展中國家也應該關注豬，因為如果快速獲得太多金錢，事情就會變得糟糕。但這些都是修辭建議，因為一旦趨勢形成，你就無法改變它或扭轉它的方向。非常感謝你的時間。我有幾分鍾時間，如果你有什麽問題，是的，我從巴西得到消息。你提到的葡萄牙和意大利，實際上就是像磁鐵一樣吸引我家人的國家。你提到的其他問題被動接收者，但哇，我現在看到的是每個人的心態都發生了巨大的變化，想到了德克爾的……接收上麵的葉子，很多人都轉向了之前的回歸……以下這些例子正在讀出來，所以我想知道你是否認為……可以通過教育來改變……不是標準教育，這意味著我認為隻要任何國家都有……民主，它隻會越來越糟，直到你無能為力……所以你也許可以向前邁一步，……在後退兩步之後，這就是我想象中你剛才說的……但隻要一個國家是民主的，我就看不到……一個國家改變其路線的機會，原因是……幾乎可以肯定，超過50%的人口不喜歡……思考，他們喜歡免費的東西，他們會投票獲得免費的東西，而且他們……是任何社會中最大的投票集團，是的，先生，你可能有一些……關於印度的發言可信度，也許你可以……就印度語境來說，抱歉，你或許還算有點可信度。
說到印度，或許你可以談談印度文化，而且, 這令人印象深刻。建議拍電影或者其他人可能會有所作為。嗯，我再說一遍，政客們能做的最好的事情就是不要讓事情變得更糟。所以指望莫迪能改變這個國家的發展方向，
這是不可能的。但實際上，從這個角度來看，我對印度更加悲觀。莫迪是個傻瓜。
他是個印度教狂熱分子。他缺乏對複雜性的理解。所以他試圖打破過於簡單的決定。過去幾年，印度教狂熱一直在這個國家蔓延。我認為，就改變這個國家的體製結構而言，這絕對不可能。因為管理這個國家的是官僚，而不是政客。
但每個國家可能都是這樣。我們總是把責任歸咎於過去，我們把太多的責任歸咎於
政客。真正的責任應該歸咎於官僚。但實際上，我必須從恍惚地走向道路，這就是印度的文化，所以如果你和普通印度人交談，每個印度人都會告訴你，他希望終結腐敗。然後你觀察他的行為，他會收受賄賂，隻要……這是一個極其不誠實的社會，隻要這些人內部……如此腐敗，這種文化就不可能創造或延續……機構裏有人可以誠實，我隻想說一句，對不起，她……對不起，鴨子，是的……嗯，不過，當我說話的時候，我表達了我對許多發展中國家的失望，我認為非洲、印度和許多其他國家……雖然變得富裕了，但我認為他們的文化並沒有進步。我認為……中國不同。我對中國更樂觀，因為……在過去50年左右經曆了一次重置，無論發生了什麽……在革命期間，我並不是說這應該發生，但在某種程度上，在我看來，其次要的後果是……一種文化經曆了某種重置。我發現與中國人交流和講道理非常容易，而且你可以和他們討論關於台灣和西藏的問題。當然，不是所有人都參與，但中國人的比例比印度人或非洲人要大得多，所以我對中國持更樂觀的態度。我見過書店，我經常去中國。我在中國大城市看到過三、四、五層樓的書店。在這個國家，人們說版權侵權非常普遍。但現實是，很多書都被翻譯成了普通話，所以即使它們沒有被複製，中國對原版書籍的需求也很大。沃倫·巴菲特、史蒂芬·柯維、戴爾·卡耐基的著作也有很多。所以在我看來，中國正在經曆一場文化複興。我認為我們已經時間不夠了, 所以我很樂意稍後再和其他人聊，非常感謝, 我們會用巴爾的摩的水
Jayant Bhandari-PIGS Culture Not Debt is the Problem [Capitalism & Morality Seminar 2015]
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civilized civilization might be going and I have recently returned from a
one-month long visit to Italy and over the last few years I have visited for a long period of time I stayed for a long period of time in Greece and Spain and Italy and my interest was to not only to understand to get a feel for the future of the countries around the Mediterranean Sea but my interest was to get a feel for the future of the Western civilization and in a very convoluted way I also think that people should
visit those countries to understand the future of the developing world when a travel my key interest group is to understand the culture of the country I'm visiting I prefer to live like a local I hang around at coffee shops I go to places where local people go I spend a lot of time in the poor parts of the cities and I go to cities that no poorest foster in my view it's very easy to get lost in economic numbers so you can pick and choose about which what conclusion you want to reach and then you can pick and choose an economic number so people will pick up numbers on GDP GDP growth rate interest rate currency rate demographics public and private debt you can pretty much pick up any number to prove a can that you have lists pre-decided on in my view these are isolated it hates you they cannot by themselves help you understand the course that the country is on to understand the course one must try to understand the culture of the country culture is the rules you understand the culture and you will understand you will solve the puzzle of the branches you understand the culture and it gives you a context to understand the details the economic numbers that I was talking about and I think a lot of economists should abstain from staying in 5-star hotels and driving around in a car conditioned Mercedes they can't really understand the local culture by living Western ways in the core countries and once you understand the culture you will no longer get confused about and you would go get into circular discussions on whether Somalia is a libertarian country or not and whether Sweden is a socialist country or not but today I want to talk about Portugal Italy Greece and Spain collectively known as space and as I go through my talk you will realize I quite like this acronym Peg's now in the larger scheme of things pace and particularly Greece and Cyprus are insignificant they don't really make any difference to the world they are just noise in a way but they give you a glimpse of the future of the Western civilization as I said I have been to these countries I have spent a fair bit of time in these countries over the last few years but because Italy is fresh in my mind I'm going to focus mostly on Italy what I'm going to talk about I think holds true culturally for the rest of techs from Rome an empire once ruled a very significant significant part of the world during its heyday is building on the contribution made by Greece they provided a way of perceiving the world that distinguished human beings from animals they did something that raised human beings from a barrack life to civilization what was that Greece and Rome showed to humanity a way to reason and to understand the concept of causality now those people who understand these concepts who grew up in these concepts think take them as given as natural that's not true for a large part of human population Greece and Rome is started an approach that could
release humanity from quivering under the unknown mysterious the unpredictable
forces of nature and from the fear of the priests in the late Middle Ages Italy contributed enormously to the Renaissance which basically set in motion an unprecedented material progress for human civilization geniuses like Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo lived and what is called Italy today now this is a common narrative convention acceptable narrative about pegs that I hear quite often and the narrative is that pigs are freewheeling societies the narrative is that these countries give a lot of personal freedom to their people they might not be rolling in money but according to the narrative these people actually enjoy their lives and this is of course this narrative comes up when they try to compare pigs with North Americans now Italian fashions attract
people from all over the world from Japan from Korea from China when you
walk around the cities early in the evenings public squares called Piazza
they start getting clouded with young people very early in the evenings and of
course you can drink openly in Italy and I'm all in support of that these young
people when they start arriving at the public squares they would have had their
long siestas and when I went out for my
morning jog they were still partying in the public squares now these people pigs
are known for their deep social positions and they close-knit families
the families are supposed to be very close-knit families and I also come from
a country where the conventional narrative is that they have very close-knit families but I'm going to not
talk about that right now it is believed that these people are very warm-hearted
people they care for each other and then is scratch the surface and the reality
is very different now Greece recently
voted to say no to reduction in free
stuff that they have been getting from rest of European Union
now decades of easy life and freebase have hardwired many people in pets to
expect free stuff as their fundamental natural right now as I said I try to
talk with a lot of people when I travel and I'm struggling to recall a well-dressed educated person who told me
in pace that they agreed with reduction in freebies they have been hardwired to
continue to get free stuff now pigs are third world countries in
many ways and they would be third world countries were there not proximal to or
destroyed northern Europe graffiti is everywhere in this public
spaces are dirty at the train stations and at banks the lineups are long
unhelpful and often Road and really if
you end up annoying an italian auntie who somehow assumes a superior position
every issue will be blown out of proportion even non issues will crop up
and then they will blow up and a situation that gets created because of
emotions cannot be undone through reason you have to deescalate using emotions so
let's let me talk about a few encounters I had in Italy I arrived very late in
the night at Milan airport and I exited
the customs area and the information desks were completely empty there was no
security official either there was absolutely none none at all to give you
any of help whatsoever there was no ATM at
the airport they were all locked away for the night and the one question that
came to me when I was traveling in Greece and Spain and Italy immediately
came to my mind in Italy unemployment rate among the youth is 41% for 1% the
question that I always got in my mind was with so much unemployment why were these information desks not
manager why we were there no people to help you around I would have done that
kind of job for $5 an hour or much less
now to Millennials and this is these are this is amazing architecture to
Millennia's after the construction of the collosseum today it still gets more
people per day than it ever got when it was actually operational they are making
much much more money today than they ever made Italian cities are packed with
tourists not Europeans go to their
beaches the cities the museums the resorts a capital that was invested
between 500 to 2,000 years back in Italy is a still one of the biggest revenue
generator in Italy and that is the good thing about capital it can keep you
running even when you have lost the engine power for a very long time but
when I visited Roman Forum the colloseum the the museum's experience something
very similar that I experienced at the Milan Airport
I would have normally expected guards
guides people to make sure that the tourists did not disturb those expensive
art and statues at the museum's or did not really mess around with rocks that
the colloseum etc etcetera but I hardly
ever found people around in these places what was happening they were standing
outside these buildings chatting away and smoking now people in pigs have a
very strong sense of victim mentality
victim mentality by itself is enough to undo any civilization and on Bloomberg
you might hear you might hear or watch Greeks and Italians and Spanish
complaining that Germans have stopped sending free stuff to them but but when
I talked with these people I almost never heard the name Germany what the
hate is not Germany but each other you talk with Armenians and they will
about Turkish you thought the Turkish and target Turkish will about Greece and Greece have a lot of bad
things to say about Italians and Italians have bad things to say about Spain and vice versa and it's an in a
strange kind of a small-minded nationalism that I have seen in these
countries if you are in Italy and if you see a statue and if to an Italian you
might allude to your thought that that statue might be Greek you have some very
red face faces very simple things like wear this a nice drink wasn't
or whether that sweet-looking sweep his stuff that you ate in job briefs was
Turkish Delight or something Greek can lead to very small minded nationalistic
argumentation I certainly shuddered at
what I have seen in those countries now pickpocketing is extremely common in
pegs they are the best pick pocketers in the world almost a month back my
passport my credit cards and my cash my
cameras and several other things were pickpocketed when I was looking at platform
allocation of my train at Naples Airport nebulous train station sorry there was
one good thing that happened there were CCD cameras all above me while this
happened to me so very confidently I ran to the police station within five
minutes I was talking with a police officer explaining to him what had
happened but before I could do that he laughed and then he asked me to fill up
a form and waved me off I insisted that
he at least came out it it was only half us half a minute away where I was pickpocketed if he could identify the
location so that he could cross-check with the CCTV recording they had
absolutely no interest in doing so now
in my subsequent comment Sariah with this if necessary actually continues so I was without my passport
without money without credit cards and I had to get to my next destination so I
went to the ticket counter and it said this is the police report and I have a
ticket but my train is gone because I was at the police station can you let me on the next train which
was leaving in 15 or 20 minutes he was rude unhelpful and not interested I
talked with the manager and the response was similar now in subsequent
conversation while I was still traveling in Italy for the next two weeks I mentioned this pickpocketing case to
several people and almost instinctively
they assumed that the post people who pick pocketed me were gypsies now if you
are an African or a gypsy or a black bad luck it's not easy for you to find a job
in pegs now I have actually don't have
much sympathy for these three communities because in general they came
from much worse of countries and they should have exploited the opportunities better where they came to but at the
same time it's difficult to understand
how systemic this belief goes in pegs
against gypsies Muslims and blacks now
in my case after I had connected the dots I realized that I was big pocket
'add by white Italian men but I told
this to the police they were not interested in listening to me when I
told this to deep other people I talked with later they lost interest so
compared to people in North America in my view people of pegs are not really
freewheeling people they tend to be very apathetic towards
their work much more keen on parting
they're very consumerist and they're more prone to spend what they have and
hence more prone to be indebted they are
very tribal and don't really care about
other people outside their tribe but that's this was the question that
lingered in my mind for a while do they care about people within the tribe and
I'm not sure I don't have enough anecdotal experiences here to talk about
so I want to know how close-knit the families are but I do know some people
some of my acquaintances in Italy and these are very homely people they stay
children is still stay with their parents until they are in their 30s and 40s but it seems to be that small
because the mom does the laundry and cooks the food but that's just a thought
I'm not sure what's actually happening what is something I know is that how
they do their jobs and how they look after their public spaces does not tell
me much about their love for each other drivin smoking occur dislike for work
does it really tell you about happy lives of those people not to me
it must be truly hard to spend your day hating doing what you hate to do now in
my view and I have nothing against poor thing but in my view a pleasure centered
life life centered on pleasure and never-ending partying or nothing but an
escape from the drudgery of normal existence
so I know there has been a lot of conversations about on TV and in the
public media about deaths of pigs and a belief is that deaths is what the
problem is and I think these people mainly look at look at the surface as I
said initially they mainly look at some of the isolated economic numbers and the
situation of pigs is no different from what happens to a poor person anywhere
in the world who wins a multi-million dollar lottery those big poor people
often within months go as broke as they did they were before they won the
lottery and I think the situation of pigs is very similar if through a magic
wand I could neutralize the deaths they would be worse off in almost no time
the problem of the pets is the problem of their culture they have lost reason
and this is very ironical because that this area was the birthplace of Reason
Leonardo da Vinci and Michael Angelo would be completely out feel out of
place and in Italy in my view and this
is where I come to my conclusion on what on earth when I say I see a claims of
the West future of the Western civilization here but in the culture of economic and
emotional dependence beggar mentality the concept of positive rights clogs the
arteries of the civilization of the society and these cloths continue to
accumulate more and more of the same as a society becomes more irrational the
less capable it becomes to find it way back to rationality so those people who
think that truth and reason should always when are completely wrong I think
to avoid the future same as that of pace Northern Europe and North America should
try to understand the culture of pigs I think and I don't want to expand on this
much but even the developing world should pay attention to pigs because if
you get too much money too quickly things go wrong for you but these are
all rhetorical suggestions because once a trend has been set in motion you
cannot change it or reverse its direction thank you very much for your
time
I have a couple of minutes if you have any questions yes so I got from Brazil
and the countries that you mentioned Portugal and Italy actually are the ones
that colonize my family like a magnet other problems you mentioned a passive
receiver but what Wow what I'm seeing right now is a great change in the mindset of everybody thought of Decker's
receive above the leaf a lot of people are turning to the return of before
following these instances are reading out so I was wondering if you think that
there can be change through education
not a standard education that means I think as long as any country has
democracy it can only get worse and worse by the time there's nothing you
can do about it so there might you might be able to take a step forward once
after taking two steps backwards and that's what I would imagine what you
just said might be but as long as a country's Democratic I don't see a
chance for a country that changes its course and the reason is that there is
more almost certainly more than 50% of any population that does not like to
think and they like free stuff and they will vote to get the free stuff and they
do they are the biggest voting bloc in any society yes sir you might have some
credibility speaking on India perhaps you could talk in the context of Indian sorry you have some credibility probably
speaking India perhaps you could speak on Indian culture and the probability
that is impressive suggestion to the movie or somebody else might make some difference well again I the best
politicians can do is not to make things worse so expecting Modi to change the course
of that country in a positive direction is not going to happen but I'm actually
much more pessimistic about India from that perspective Modi is a simpleton
he's a Hindu fanatic he he lacks an
understanding of complexity so he is attempt is he his instincts want to
break simplistic decisions Hindu fanaticism has
consistently drawn in that country over the last few years and I think as far as
being able to change the institutional structure of the country it's absolutely
impossible because the bureaucrats run that country not politicians but that is
probably true with every country we blame the past we give too much blame to
politicians the real blame goes to the bureaucrats but then actually I must go
down from the trance to the roads and that is the culture so if you talk
without normal Indian every Indian will tell you that he wants end to corruption
and then you watch his behavior he will take and accept bribes as long as the
it's an extremely dishonest society as long as those people within themselves
are so corrupt they it's impossible for that culture to create or continue to
have people in institutions that can be honest just one quick one sorry she
sorry duck yes
um though so when I was talking I expressed my disillusionment with a lot
of developing world and I think Africa and India and a lot of other countries
have become rich but I don't think culturally they have improved I think
China is different I'm much more optimistic about China in a way it has
been through a reset in the last 50 years or so well whatever happened
during the Revolution are not saying it should have happened but in a way the secondary consequence in my view has
been that a culture has been through a sort of reset I have found it very easy
to communicate with Chinese and reason with them and you can discuss with them
about Taiwan and Tibbets not without everyone of course but with a much larger proportion of Chinese than with
let's say Indians or Africans so I'm much more optimistic about China I have
seen bookstores and I go to China quite often I have seen bookstores in big
cities in China that are three four or five floor Begg and this is a country
where people say that copyright violation is very common the reality is
that a lot of these books are translated into Mandarin so even if they're not
copied there is enough demand for original copies in China of books
written by Warren Buffett Stephen Covey Dale Carnegie so in my view there is a
cultural Renaissance happening in China a I think we have run out of
time so I will be very happy to talk with others later thank you very much
and we'll have all Baltimore water
