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Zimmerman案的本質是社會治安問題,社會治安僅僅依靠警察、依靠監獄是不夠的,或者說,僅僅依靠法製是不夠的,還必須佐以人治、依靠宗教和道德的規範。

美國是個法製的國家,但是宗教和道德約束薄弱,崇尚個人主義、個性自由和人權,進一步削弱了法製的權威。在人的缺乏道德約束麵前,法製被人的智慧玩弄和戲耍,法製對維係一個公平和正義的社會的功能越來越薄弱。在最近一個時期,西方社會麵臨越來越嚴重的經濟危機,導致政府功能的萎縮,直接影響到維持社會治安的警察的群體利益,警察已經逐漸變成依靠損害公眾利益來增加其功能的重要性,以公共利益的社會治安來要挾政府部門,這一切構成了美國社會最大的危機。

政府沒錢支付警察的開支,警察就開始犯罪,那麽這個社會就成為沒有公共安全的社會,就淪落為叢林規則的社會,在這個社會裏,每一個良民都被迫自衛,生命財產的安全投資大大增長,迫使公眾或者出納更多的治安費用,或者社會崩潰進入無政府狀態。

從我個人的經曆來看,中外的公檢法都是沒有公義的,美國好不了多少。平時警察的功能就是罰款,一旦惹上任何案子,法製係統是無法依賴以獲得正義和公平的。

在這種社會大環境下,民眾自衛是迫不得已,而民眾自衛本質上是對警察維護治安的補充,表達了民眾對警察的不信任,表達了警察功能的缺失。

如果對於警察在當今社會的真實角色的認識,就會發現,警察的根本作用是欺騙老百姓,騙保護費的。警察根本無法製止慣犯的犯罪,警察和罪犯是一夥的、共生的,都是良民的寄生蟲。

所以,要麽忍受警察和罪犯合夥對良民的敲詐,要麽就是良民自己武裝起來保衛自己的生命財產。從這個角度來看Zimmerman案,一切都是清清楚楚。

罪犯所以會成為慣犯,就是因為犯罪的未有效的製止。一個流氓之所以會成為罪犯,就是因為社會缺乏治療機製,沒有道德譴責機製,卻有對待社會惡習的麻木和冷漠,任其發展,最終導致犯罪。

所以,當社會整體的自我清潔功能喪失以後,這個社會就成為犯罪橫行的無法無天的社會,在這個社會裏,罪犯越發品嚐到犯罪的甜頭,而警察明裏暗裏縱容、旁觀和冷笑。

所以,這就是Zimmerman案子的全部背景。Zimmerman攜槍巡邏社區,有錯嗎?沒有。跟蹤可疑人有錯嗎?沒有。接下來,黑人少年和Zim打在一起,是Zim主動挑釁黑人少年,並且處心積慮地開槍打死他,還是黑人少年主動接近Zim?這個細節的討論我暫且按下不表,單說Zimmerman攜槍巡邏,這如果合法,那麽這個槍難道是燒火棍嗎,是個擺設嗎?這杆槍是平民自衛的權利,是神聖不可侵犯的。
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mapesbel 回複 悄悄話 bl 評論於:2013-07-16 18:14:56 [回複評論]

二級謀殺罪不夠格,防衛過當應該可判。

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大晚上,黑燈瞎火的,被一個黑人打倒在地,不管換了誰,隻要有槍,也該拔槍了。
mapesbel 回複 悄悄話 zimmerman停下車,走到車外,是去看路標去了,因為他要告訴警察他的具體位置。至於他倆為什麽打起來,很多人不相信zimmerman的話,大家有很多猜測。但是沒有目擊證人。法律不能靠猜的。疑點利益隻能歸於被告。
bl 回複 悄悄話 二級謀殺罪不夠格,防衛過當應該可判。
LemanRuss 回複 悄悄話 回複xwenxuecityy的評論:
“Z濫用他的權力,挑撥,激怒,又殺死了一個無辜的少年。”
你被媒體忽悠了,忽悠的很厲害;Z既沒有挑撥(按各種版本,Z要麽是去問M他在幹嘛,要麽是在走回自己的車,然後被M打),M更不無辜(無辜的人就不會騎在人家身上把人家的頭往水泥地上砸,更不會因為看人家貌似沒有攜帶武器就仗著自己人高馬大動拳頭)。
Etornado 回複 悄悄話 哈哈,過路人路過和xwenxuecityy扛上了。xwenxuecityy到處拉屎,難得過路人路過到處去幫他擦。
過路人路過 回複 悄悄話 "There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law, and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way, other place to go." she said.

It sounds as if the jury gave it more than their all, especially if a "couple of jurors" wanted to find him guilty of something. They read the laws that govern the charges and they just couldn't make one stick under the circumstances. This is why Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges
過路人路過 回複 悄悄話 好了找到原始出處了。請仔細看英文報道。
是一開始的時候陪審員有分歧。有陪審員成心要證明Zimmerman 有罪。但是在檢查證據和法律條文很多遍後,還是無法證明Zimmerman有任何罪。最後無罪的判決還是6人一致做出的。
陪審員相信:
開槍前的呼救聲是Zimmerman的。
Zimmerman受到了生命威脅。
陪審員沒有考慮膚色和種族:

樓下的xwenxuecityy 是不是當年的4級都沒過?


Juror B37 said that if Zimmerman was guilty of anything, "he was guilty of not using good judgment." She also said that he called 911 from the car and he should not have gotten out of the car.

This well spoken juror conveyed that she thinks that Zimmerman got in way over his head and she believes he shouldn't have been there, but she also believes Martin threw the first punch. She said she thinks Martin wasn't going to let Zimmerman think he could scare him and she "thinks Trayvon got mad and attacked him."

It was apparent to Juror B37 that it was Zimmerman's voice heard on the tape screaming for help because he felt his life was in danger. This was before he shot Martin. The juror said:

"He had a right to defend himself," she said. "If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him, or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."

The initial vote was divided, Juror B37 shared with Cooper. At first three of the jurors voted Zimmerman was guilty and the other three jurors voted that Zimmerman was not- guilty. Juror B37 said that she was one of the people on the jury that believed he was not guilty from the get go.

"There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law, and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way, other place to go." she said.

It sounds as if the jury gave it more than their all, especially if a "couple of jurors" wanted to find him guilty of something. They read the laws that govern the charges and they just couldn't make one stick under the circumstances. This is why Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges.

It wasn't the color of Trayvon's skin that made Zimmerman suspicious, it was the way Trayvon was acting. She does not believe that Zimmerman profiled Trayvon. She went on to say how Trayvon's actions looked suspicious to George:

"Anybody would think anybody walking down the road, stopping and turning and looking -- if that's exactly what happened -- is suspicious," she said.

"I think all of us thought race did not play a role," the juror said . "We never had that discussion."

There you have it, the race discussion never came up because the six jurors didn't believe that was an issue in this case. Juror B37, who was planning to write a book about this experience, sounded as if she started to cry towards the end of the interview as her voice cracked when she said:

"It's a tragedy this happened. But it happened, And I think both were responsible for the situation they had gotten themselves into. I think both of them could have walked away. It just didn't happen."

Just hours after the interview was over, Jury B36 literary agent, Sharlene Martin, released a statement from Juror B37 saying she would no longer write a book.
汽笛風琴 回複 悄悄話 I was using Google on my iPad. You might want to try juror b37, Anderson cooper.
過路人路過 回複 悄悄話 回複汽笛風琴的評論:

給出的連接不 work.
臨江縣知縣 回複 悄悄話 揍人的理由太多了。
你是城裏人,和我爭執就是對我們鄉下人的不敬。vise versa
你是北方人,和我爭執就是對我們南方人的不敬。vise versa
你覺得你該挨揍?如果挨揍,你有沒有權力自衛?想通這個問題就明白這個案子了。
汽笛風琴 回複 悄悄話 http://ipad.gossipcop.com/gossipcop/#!/entry/george-zimmerman-juror-b37-reveals-jury-vote-to-anderson-cooper,51e49eedda27f5d9d0f87a3a
判決結果。 xwenxuecityy 沒造謠。
braker999 回複 悄悄話 請問樓主知道有公檢法,那麽警察和司法哪個對治安影響大?
當一個警察被判8年,因為打死一個把他打倒在地搶槍的人,別說警察不會抓賊,有選擇的都不會當警察!不信?去問問你祖國吧。
責任在於司法,而根本在於你這種良民的不作為!
亦樵書法1 回複 悄悄話 如果在中國,那叫保安無奈開槍擊斃嫌犯,要發獎狀,大夥也要去搓一頓的
過路人路過 回複 悄悄話 過路人路過 評論於:2013-07-15 20:44:31 [回複評論]

為什麽樓下的不停的造謠?消息出處在那裏?一點常識都沒有。陪審團裁決要全體同意,要麽有罪,要麽無罪。如果分歧不能統一,就要retrial. 不排除一開始有意見分歧,但最後的無罪應該是6人的一致意見。

Z僅僅行使了他自衛的權力而已。

看你造謠就知道你的智力有問題。如果碰到你被人攻擊,你就期待著對方發善心,不把你打私打殘好了。



xwenxuecityy 評論於:2013-07-16 04:12:40 [回複評論]
Z濫用他的權力,挑撥,激怒,又殺死了一個無辜的少年。這判決是一個典型的司法秀。
判決的內幕是,一票二級殺人,兩票過失殺人,三票無罪。司法隻能保證他不入獄,保不了他一輩子平安。
你跟著Z學吧。看看到時司法會不會把你這個黃種人當庭釋放
xwenxuecityy 回複 悄悄話 Z濫用他的權力,挑撥,激怒,又殺死了一個無辜的少年。這判決是一個典型的司法秀。
判決的內幕是,一票二級殺人,兩票過失殺人,三票無罪。司法隻能保證他不入獄,保不了他一輩子平安。
你跟著Z學吧。看看到時司法會不會把你這個黃種人當庭釋放
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