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AI most humans have never thought about purpose and meaning

(2024-04-15 15:57:42) 下一個

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  1. "The development of AI, including tacit knowledge, cannot solve the ultimate problem, which is the issue of purpose and meaning."
  2. "Don't want to think so much. Just watch and respect."
  3. "This kind of problem, I dare not think about it. I am a beginner in Go, but now even ordinary Go programs can defeat me. Soon, AI will also dominate in other fields. In virtual reality, people get whatever they want."
  4. "Wouldn't humans soon be given the prestigious title of 'waste'? What's the point of waste existence?"
  5. "No rush. If IQ is below 100, you will be given the prestigious title of 'waste' first."
  6. "In the eyes of an AI with an IQ of ten thousand, the individual IQ of humans doesn't make much difference. They are all more or less 'waste'. Who would use waste to do things? Of course, they would retire and wait to die."
  7. "In the past, people could still hope that their children would surpass them and pass on their genes. Now, it's all the same. Everyone is 'waste' in the eyes of AI. If people are alive, what's the point? What's the purpose of living?"
  8. "AI is a knowledge merchant, not real wisdom."
  9. "The problem lies here, real wisdom must also be purposeful. But intelligence does not need to have a purpose."
  10. "I have an amateur 3-dan level, not as professional as you. But I feel that an enlightened Go player would be invincible against AI. Every move of an enlightened player is a point of intuitive balance."
  11. "The path of AI in Go and human enlightenment are completely different. Its strength lies in not making mistakes, while humans make mistakes. Conversely, if humans want to have a way out, it actually lies in these mistakes."
  12. "Previously, people could hope that their children would be stronger than themselves and leave behind their genes. Now, they are all the same, all considered 'waste' by AI. If people are alive, what's the point? What's the purpose of living?"
  13. "AI won't get tired, just consumes a bit of electricity. Enlightened people are also human and will make mistakes."
  14. "So, the mainland's Jinsha Power Grid, which supplies power to Arundo, is still very important. Otherwise, with love alone, the powerful AI will be useless."
  15. "If I start with a ten-second countdown, AI will soon go crazy and short circuit:)"
  16. "Admire you. ;-)"
  17. "That's right; making mistakes is because of attachment. But an enlightened person isn't like that."
  18. "If we talk about Go, mistakes are usually due to miscalculations, not attachment. The human brain can only calculate a limited number of moves. One wrong move and the whole game is lost. From this perspective, enlightenment in life is useless."
  19. "Yes. There is a big difference in computational power. But enlightened people don't calculate, they just follow their intuition. This will exhaust AI:)"
  20. "So, Tea Xuan will definitely overcome you. I bet if you calculate our two IDs' Five Elements and whatnot."
  21. "The problem lies in the fact that the axe is a single function, and the purpose for serving humans does not change. But AI can perform all of human's functions. Therefore, human's purpose seems pale."
  22. "Not true."
  23. "I tend to agree with this point. Even if AGI is achieved, it cannot touch on purpose and meaning. But the problem is that most humans have never thought about purpose and meaning."
  24. "That's because humans are all limited by needs and scarcity and have no time to consider. When a person's needs are easily satisfied and fulfilled, they become extremely empty, and then panic sets in."

 

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• 不想那麽多。且看且尊重。 yfz9465 -  給 yfz9465 發送悄悄話 yfz9465 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 04/15/2024  14:30:40

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• 不急,如果智商在一百以下會先獲得“廢物”這個光榮稱號 波粒子3 -  給 波粒子3 發送悄悄話 (30 bytes) (4 reads) 04/15/2024  14:39:57

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• 按你說,大家都是廢柴,大家都是五行屬木,木又克了你心心念念的KMT之土,還是全人類之木來克,LOL 飛翔的雅德維加 -  給 飛翔的雅德維加 發送悄悄話 飛翔的雅德維加 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 04/15/2024  14:51:53

• AI是知識商,還不是真正的智慧。 yfz9465 -  給 yfz9465 發送悄悄話 yfz9465 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 04/15/2024  14:59:43

• 問題就在這裏,真正的智慧也是必須有目的性的。而聰明不需要有目的性。 咲媱 -  給 咲媱 發送悄悄話 咲媱 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 04/15/2024  15:03:24

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• 未必,我用超強超快激光電磁脈衝掃它一秒,AI就發狂短路啦:) 飛翔的雅德維加 -  給 飛翔的雅德維加 發送悄悄話 飛翔的雅德維加 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 04/15/2024  15:02:32

• 佩服。;) yfz9465 -  給 yfz9465 發送悄悄話 yfz9465 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 04/15/2024  15:04:29

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• 如果從圍棋來說,出錯通常是誤算,而不是患得患失,人腦能計算的棋有限,一步錯就滿盤輸。這個角度來說,生命短悟道是沒有用的。 咲媱 -  給 咲媱 發送悄悄話 咲媱 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 04/15/2024  15:06:16

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• 出發點 PingFanCQ -  給 PingFanCQ 發送悄悄話 (382 bytes) (6 reads) 04/15/2024  14:59:25

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• 不是 PingFanCQ -  給 PingFanCQ 發送悄悄話 (483 bytes) (3 reads) 04/15/2024  15:15:47

• 我傾向於認同這點,即使實現了AGI, 也無法觸及目的和意義,但問題是大部分人類也從沒想過目的和意義 老鍵 -  給 老鍵 發送悄悄話 老鍵 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 04/15/2024  15:02:55

• 那是因為人都局限在需要和短缺裏麵沒時間考慮,當一個人的需要都輕易的滿足了實現了的時候,就會無比空虛,進而恐慌了。 咲媱 -  給 咲媱 發送悄悄話 咲媱 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 04/15/2024  15:08:54

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