溫柔一刀
力刀，網壇上掐架論戰化名“刀客”。曾插隊落戶。國內獲外科專業博士學位。現為病理醫生。美國病理醫師協會、美國病理醫師學院、國際病理
正文
刀客莊園紀行--2009“老刀會”
http://www./pc/pccon.php?id=2289&nid=86225
發信人: Lancet2008 (麥葉刀), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 刀客莊園紀行—05-09-2009
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 17:00:56 2009)
刀客莊園紀行—05-09-2009
老刀會後我接著on call，今天有機會坐下來給大家匯報一下老刀會盛況。
首先坦白一下，我起初報名老刀會的真實動機：
其一，從上一屆老刀會照片看到的刀客莊園，雄偉壯觀，一直想有機會造訪；
其二，兒子Lancet Jr整天追著我屁股問那個Castle裏有沒有King？曾許諾如果他連著4
個星期的學校Report 優秀，可以帶他去看看；
其三，久仰刀客大名，一直想抓拍一張刀客傳奇照片。
上個月和住院總argue：如果能讓我5月9號休息，其它時間值多少班都行。
終於，5月9號早晨5點喚醒全家，攜婦將雛驅車直奔Columbus刀客莊園。緊趕慢趕，還
是晚了30分鍾到達。刀客莊口，彩球飄揚，林蔭道旁，野花飄香。向莊口的“麥穗”領
了路牌，驅車直奔Castle。但見Castle前的草坪上，已有近百名“麥穗”圍著一位老者
，老者侃侃而談，想必這就是刀客了！另有若幹“麥穗”簇擁著一位和善MM，後來得知
，那就是前任斑竹“小粉”姑娘（Acne）。正在環視間，另一位前任斑竹“大奔”(
Benpu)迎麵過來，幫我把車上的椅子和水果盤卸下。我匆匆領了胸牌，尚未向刀客請到
，已有“麥穗”擁過來，開始問問題。令我驚喜的是“麥穗”中不但有我國內的校友，
還有一位我的大學同學。10多年前，我們無論如何想不到會在異國他鄉的刀客莊園偶遇
，盡管歲月在額頭和眼角刻下的年輪，我們還是彼此對視，驚愕：“你是不是----?”
這時刀客撥開人群，來到近旁，我趕緊拱手：“晚輩遲到，請諒”，刀客拉著我的手，
首先祝賀今年的Match成功，並對今後的外科住院醫之路提出了殷殷期望，然後引薦我
到另一位Attending，這位Attending是中國心胸外科鼻祖吳英愷的弟子，在美國行醫多
年，他向我介紹了美國醫學體係和CMG Survive 的訣竅。
晌午，更多的不同專業的Attendings陸續來到莊園，刀客一一介紹。在眾俠客中，有一
位羽扇鸛巾，溫文而雅，便上前討教，方得知這便是大名鼎鼎的外科Fellow“導線”（
Guidewire），他介紹了在外科成長曆程中的經曆的風風雨雨，雖話語平淡，但無不體
現當年的血雨腥風。
在與眾俠客和“麥穗”交談的間歇，我不時端著相機，瞄準著刀客的每一瞬間，兒子
Lancet Jr則和另外一個女孩在莊園Castle裏裏外外不亦樂乎地尋找夢幻中的King，
Mrs Lancet跟在他們後麵追得滿頭是汗……
暢談中，不覺已是夕陽西下，餘輝映著刀客剛毅的古銅色的臉。由於第二天On call，
我不得不向刀客請別，喚回Lancet Jr，驅車返鄉。
晚霞投下的樹影不時地掃過車窗，一輪明月悄然躍上了地平線。 我深深為中國人考
board群體的壯大而欣然， 為中國人前所未有的凝聚力而欣然。CMG不僅數量上在壯大
，而且領域在拓寬，已涉及Orthopedic, Ophthalmology, Surgery等外國人以往難以涉
足的領域。我期待有一天中國人，作為美國少數族裔，能起到舉足輕重的角色。到那時
，Lancet Jr 一輩不在尋找夢幻中的King，而要做真正的King!
刀客莊園的鬱金香--獻給朝氣蓬勃的年輕CMG;
刀客莊園的老樹新芽--獻給仍在奮鬥的老CMG;
刀客莊園的小螞蟻--獻給？獻給兢兢業業的潛水的XDJM們吧！
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老刀會的篝火
http://www./pc/pccon.php?id=2289&nid=86007
發信人: medlamb (麥地小羊), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)
Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.
Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.
For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.
For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.
For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.
For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.
I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!
I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
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發信人: swarmer (麥地守望者), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會沒有報道？
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)
估計現在很多人還沒到家吧。我們昨天算是走的早的，開到家已經半夜2點了。我跟老
公講了一路我得到的各種信息,興奮的都睡不著了。加上對隱性眼鏡的eye drop過敏，
現在眼睛紅得象個little devil,還是忍不住先到版上來看看。今天先簡單匯報一下情
況，改天我會把我得到的信息詳細寫下來，給沒來的人參考。
就像老刀說的，會議開的非常圓滿成功。老刀和其他來參加會議的醫生們，每個人都是
耐心細致，生動幽默地介紹各科的情況。尤其是老刀關於麵試問題的分析，以一貫的刀
客風格，讓大家認識到應該如何以四兩撥千斤，把對自己不利的問題轉化為表現自己能
力的機會，對我啟發很大。
我自己是聽了整11個小時，刀太準備了特別豐盛的食物，可惜我沒吃幾口，連水都沒怎
麽喝，生怕錯過了任何重要的信息，真對不起刀太啊。不過我吃到的精神大餐，足以讓
我三月不知肉味了。
感謝老刀，刀太和各位前輩們給我們提供一個這麽好的機會。如果讓我給沒來的同學們
一個建議的話，我會說：明年，一定要來。
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發信人: Chi2010 (Chi2009), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 感謝信---老刀會後
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 23:39:37 2009)
首先對老刀的精神,付出及刀夫人的支持表示本人誠摯的敬意.對參與本次盛會的每位前
輩表示由衷的感謝.對於組織協調的自願者及麥地斑竹們的辛勤勞動表示深深的謝意.對
於任何曾經以任何方式幫他人的同道表示感謝.我深深的堅信每位受惠於老刀會及麥地
的眾生將會以自己的方式將麥地的精神輻射出去.正如老刀所言:眾人拾柴火焰高.麥地
互助互愛的精神將會不斷被發揚光大.麥地聖火如同老刀點燃的篝火,將會讓更多的眾生
在漆黑的寒夜裏感受到她的溫暖與光芒.
麥地潛水員:Chi2010 2009-5-11
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發信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)
收獲很大，不少困惑和問題有了答案，豁然開朗。
申請內科/病理？不建議超過兩個科以上，主要根據興趣決定，不要把其中一科當作
backup.
PS and IV時,要強調多年research experience對於今後臨床工作是positive factor。
個人經曆不同，反正得自圓其說，總之隻有positive的,沒有negative的。
見習的作用：主要是了解美國醫療係統的運作，多多益善,不必局限於將來準備申請的
那個科。同時在見習中累積一些感人的小故事，PS and IV中有機會時講講，會比較
impressive。
全職考版的姐妹，中斷的經曆肯定是weakness.怎麽樣去彌補？合理的解釋（family
issue，spend time with kids)+多作見習。
PCP or FM, 擔心沒病人？語言上不可能超過老美，可是語言不決定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正確的診斷，耐心解釋治療方案，病人會越來越多的。
內科fellow,cardiology非常熱，一旦進去之後，將來錢途似錦。介入治療需要在三年
fellow後再接受1-3年的training.如果能夠進入acdemic hospital作住院，對將來申請
專科會有幫助。
非常感謝那麽多attending,fellow, resident的寶貴時間和精力。刀太，奔太和別的家
屬在廚房裏忙碌了整整一天，太辛苦了。
先想到這些，等別的同學補充分享。
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發信人: medlamb (麥地小羊), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)
Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.
Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.
For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.
For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.
For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.
For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.
I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!
I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
--
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發信人: swarmer (麥地守望者), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會沒有報道？
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)
估計現在很多人還沒到家吧。我們昨天算是走的早的，開到家已經半夜2點了。我跟老
公講了一路我得到的各種信息,興奮的都睡不著了。加上對隱性眼鏡的eye drop過敏，
現在眼睛紅得象個little devil,還是忍不住先到版上來看看。今天先簡單匯報一下情
況，改天我會把我得到的信息詳細寫下來，給沒來的人參考。
就像老刀說的，會議開的非常圓滿成功。老刀和其他來參加會議的醫生們，每個人都是
耐心細致，生動幽默地介紹各科的情況。尤其是老刀關於麵試問題的分析，以一貫的刀
客風格，讓大家認識到應該如何以四兩撥千斤，把對自己不利的問題轉化為表現自己能
力的機會，對我啟發很大。
我自己是聽了整11個小時，刀太準備了特別豐盛的食物，可惜我沒吃幾口，連水都沒怎
麽喝，生怕錯過了任何重要的信息，真對不起刀太啊。不過我吃到的精神大餐，足以讓
我三月不知肉味了。
感謝老刀，刀太和各位前輩們給我們提供一個這麽好的機會。如果讓我給沒來的同學們
一個建議的話，我會說：明年，一定要來。
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發信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)
收獲很大，不少困惑和問題有了答案，豁然開朗。
申請內科/病理？不建議超過兩個科以上，主要根據興趣決定，不要把其中一科當作
backup.
PS and IV時,要強調多年research experience對於今後臨床工作是positive factor。
個人經曆不同，反正得自圓其說，總之隻有positive的,沒有negative的。
見習的作用：主要是了解美國醫療係統的運作，多多益善,不必局限於將來準備申請的
那個科。同時在見習中累積一些感人的小故事，PS and IV中有機會時講講，會比較
impressive。
全職考版的姐妹，中斷的經曆肯定是weakness.怎麽樣去彌補？合理的解釋（family
issue，spend time with kids)+多作見習。
PCP or FM, 擔心沒病人？語言上不可能超過老美，可是語言不決定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正確的診斷，耐心解釋治療方案，病人會越來越多的。
內科fellow,cardiology非常熱，一旦進去之後，將來錢途似錦。介入治療需要在三年
fellow後再接受1-3年的training.如果能夠進入acdemic hospital作住院，對將來申請
專科會有幫助。
非常感謝那麽多attending,fellow, resident的寶貴時間和精力。刀太，奔太和別的家
屬在廚房裏忙碌了整整一天，太辛苦了。
先想到這些，等別的同學補充分享。
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發信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 08:46:15 2009)
寫得很好。
請注意：其實任何專業麵試官都是老道之極閱人無數的人精，2-3分鍾交談就能把你
大概看出真相和定出你水平高低範圍了的。
所以，除這裏所談的why psych? 其實是個共性問題，適用於其它一切專業，而且是
你去麵試時一定要回答得生動、準確、令麵試者信服最好能聽了你的回答，眼睛為
之一亮，感到你是“know something even deeply know about this specialty"而
且，“you are unique”！這樣，你才能stand out above other interviewees,
be that the one "we are really looking for and expect for resident candidate”
我在刀會上也主要談了WHY PATHOLOGY和見習病理為了什麽這兩個你們很多人不能深
刻理解的問題。你們必須要深思，把這類問題能真正搞懂，convince yourself, then
try to convenience interviewers!
在刀會上我模擬麵試了好幾個，說實在的，2-3句話，2分鍾之內，按實戰的結果，
你已經出局了。
因為，你連你自己都沒搞清楚WHY的問題，作為閱人無數得麵試者早就一眼看出你NOT
FIT！
dok
順便在此代刀太向各位表示感謝，尤其幾位寶媽或候補寶媽，在會議中途去買了鮮花--
玫瑰，她很高興和感動：母親節，你沒送我東西，可有人送玫瑰了。我有點灰頭土臉了。
另外，從波士頓、芝加哥和其它地區來的同學給她的禮物，讓她都很高興，
都有點覺得太讓你們破費而不好意思了。
多謝你們！
【 在 jjc (dogcat) 的大作中提到: 】
: What a great meeting! Thank Laodao for giving us such a good chance for
: meeting people.
: Since I want to go psy, I talked to two psy Drs quite a bit. My take-home
: messages are:
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發信人: wodewode (我的我的), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 10:07:17 2009)
首先感謝老刀刀太給我們準備了如此的一個盛會，感謝到會的每個人。
樓上的各位總結的很好了，加一點：
麵試的時候，要準備的很充分。醫療改革是個熱點，中美醫改的比較也是。。。
進了麵試，成績就不重要了，麵試的人看的是：hard work, 聽話，flexible，交流技
巧是最重要的。。。
那怎麽進麵試呢？很多時候小密就把你的材料甩掉了。。。這段我呼喚誰誰來詳細謝謝
。。（我聽的不全）
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發信人: droplets (滴水穿石), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 10:18:13 2009)
對於非常感興趣的PROGRAM, 要是受畢業年限之類的限製, 可以繞過小秘, 直接給PD發
信了, 要好好研究那個PROGRAM寫有針對性的信, 如果PD對你感興趣,這樣一來你的材料
就會被調出來.但是發信的人可能會很多, 所以也看運氣, 不一定總靈, 但至少可以一
試, 有內線的更好, 可以投PD之所好, 中靶的幾率更大些.
歡迎補充!
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發信人: zhongj (mimi), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 10:30:51 2009)
I came back from Laodao’s conference.Thanks very much for Laodao and Dao
tai to provide us these meeting. Your beautiful house impressed me. I
regretted that I forgot my camera; otherwise I will post your house’s
picture on my computer. When I am tired of studying I will look the picture
and study harder again.
Thanks very much for every faculty, fellow and residency who attended that
meeting. Yours help may change other people’s life.
Thanks very much for the people who were always busying in maintaining the
party. I know how hard work it is for more than 100 people’s party. I know
you are the family member of the guys who are preparing the board. Thanks
all family members who support us.
I met many famous ID on MedicalCareer, it is very excited.
The posts on upstairs like abstracts of the conference which are very clear.
It is very useful even for me because I could not get every point on the
meetion. One thing I want add is Dr. Shao mentioned that as a CMG we need
improve our pronunciation. If it is harder for the interviewer to understand
you how would they want work with you in the future years?
Thanks Laodao again.
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jjc: 老刀會歸來談PSYCHIATRY的申請問題
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發信人: jjc (dogcat), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 02:52:41 2009)
What a great meeting! Thank Laodao for giving us such a good chance for
meeting people.
Since I want to go psy, I talked to two psy Drs quite a bit. My take-home
messages are:
1. Why psy? You must answer that question from your heart. Many people
think about psy because others said psy programs have less requirements
about scores and are kind of easy to get in. That's not true. If you just
use psy as back-up, people can easily find out that. Don't forget that
they are psy doctors who are really good at reading people's minds.
2. If you are really into psy, do a psy ob, match your passion with the
reality. In this way, you will find out whether psy is your cup of tea or
not.
3. Being a psy Dr, you have to enjoy talking to people. For each new
patient, you will have a talk with them at least 1-1.5 hour.
4. Be a psy Dr, you are not only a good talker but also a good listener.
Oftentimes,you have to keep your mouth shut. You are the one offering help
if people want change. But the decision has to be made by patient himself.
5. psy Dr has a good life style. BUT the psy board exam is the most
difficult one among all the board exams. It's a oral exam. It's done in a
few big psy centers. You will get a real patient for half hour interview
and then present the case and answer questions from the committee. It
certainly can be biased by people. The passing rate is about 50%(I'm not
sure about the exact number but for sure it's much lower than the internal
medicine.)
Well, that's all I can think about at this point. I may add more later.
Thanks again, Laodao! And for all people I met in the meeting, it's so
good to meet you guys.
發信人: xiaomaguohe (麥地小馬), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 14:56:20 2009)
very good post. a few more points about psy:
1. during the residency, you will be trained with behavioral therapy modules
for different disorders, such as OCD, depression, etc.
2. the board certificate is not required for practice NOW, but you never
know what will happen in the future, some states start to require the
certificate.
3.a good personality is good in any field. ppl with different personalities
can be good psy with professional training.
4. find yourself an American name may shorten the distance between you and
your patients.
發信人: Chi2010 (Chi2009), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 感謝信---老刀會後
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 23:39:37 2009)
首先對老刀的精神,付出及刀夫人的支持表示本人誠摯的敬意.對參與本次盛會的每位前
輩表示由衷的感謝.對組織協調的自願者及麥地斑竹們的辛勤勞動表示深深的謝意.對
於曾經以任何方式幫助過他人的同道表示感謝.我深深的堅信每位受惠於老刀會及麥地
的眾生將會以自己的方式將麥地的精神輻射出去.正如老刀所言:眾人拾柴火焰高.麥地
互助互愛的精神將會不斷被發揚光大.麥地聖火如同老刀點燃的篝火,將會讓更多的眾生
在漆黑的寒夜裏感受到她的溫暖與光芒.
看來懶人的作業是不行的 even I will take step2 very soon but no excuse.
Based on the comment from Dr. Dok, the additional detailed description of
the points what I learned from the Lao Dao Hui is summarized as the
following description. As a listener and a learner, these points may or may
not exactly represent the real points that each teacher try to tell since
the limitation of my intelligence. So any different opium is welcomed and
appreciated.
1. Get in a program is more important than get a better one if you have
to choose. Most of us may not have many options.
2. Who will screen applicants for interview? PD and associated PD.
How the applicants will be screened for interview?
The score and years of graduation will be the two important factors for the
program to screen the applicants. So the score will be the only modifiable
factor, so try to get the highest score as you can. Try to apply early than
late. Fresh graduate will have higher chance even with lower scores. The
connection will help you get a chance for interview too. So try to get more
connections.
How you will be ranked by the program? You performance during the interview
and the whole package will be evaluated by individual member from the
resident recruit committee. So try your best to impress each committee
member in the positive way during your interview. However, the rank for each
applicant will be discussed on an open meeting where all the committee
members will attend, so if you have connection with someone who is in the
committee, he will speak out for you and that will significant increase you
chance to be ranked higher.
3. The first few minutes will be the most important for the whole
interview. Try to be comfortable, to be confident, and to be yourself. Try
to be perfect as you can in many aspects such as dressing, manner et al,
To be charming, humble from inside of your heart (think yourself as a “
potato”). However, still try to “show off” your strengths and shinning
points in a comfortable manner in the point of view of others.
4. How to answer the question “what is your strength and weakness?”
Such as “ Sometime, I am working too hard even forget to take a rest ”.
Always use the positive way to express your weakness instead of directly
describe your weakness. To be prepared on this kind of question.
5. Try harder, try smart, you will achieve your goal.
6. Run your own business or work as an employee after you become an
attending? You will always get paid less than what you made for the
employee. Otherwise, it is the time you will be fired. So make your own
decision.
麥地潛水員:Chi2010 2009-5-11
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標 題: 刀客莊園紀行—05-09-2009
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 17:00:56 2009)
刀客莊園紀行—05-09-2009
老刀會後我接著on call，今天有機會坐下來給大家匯報一下老刀會盛況。
首先坦白一下，我起初報名老刀會的真實動機：
其一，從上一屆老刀會照片看到的刀客莊園，雄偉壯觀，一直想有機會造訪；
其二，兒子Lancet Jr整天追著我屁股問那個Castle裏有沒有King？曾許諾如果他連著4
個星期的學校Report 優秀，可以帶他去看看；
其三，久仰刀客大名，一直想抓拍一張刀客傳奇照片。
上個月和住院總argue：如果能讓我5月9號休息，其它時間值多少班都行。
終於，5月9號早晨5點喚醒全家，攜婦將雛驅車直奔Columbus刀客莊園。緊趕慢趕，還
是晚了30分鍾到達。刀客莊口，彩球飄揚，林蔭道旁，野花飄香。向莊口的“麥穗”領
了路牌，驅車直奔Castle。但見Castle前的草坪上，已有近百名“麥穗”圍著一位老者
，老者侃侃而談，想必這就是刀客了！另有若幹“麥穗”簇擁著一位和善MM，後來得知
，那就是前任斑竹“小粉”姑娘（Acne）。正在環視間，另一位前任斑竹“大奔”(
Benpu)迎麵過來，幫我把車上的椅子和水果盤卸下。我匆匆領了胸牌，尚未向刀客請到
，已有“麥穗”擁過來，開始問問題。令我驚喜的是“麥穗”中不但有我國內的校友，
還有一位我的大學同學。10多年前，我們無論如何想不到會在異國他鄉的刀客莊園偶遇
，盡管歲月在額頭和眼角刻下的年輪，我們還是彼此對視，驚愕：“你是不是----?”
這時刀客撥開人群，來到近旁，我趕緊拱手：“晚輩遲到，請諒”，刀客拉著我的手，
首先祝賀今年的Match成功，並對今後的外科住院醫之路提出了殷殷期望，然後引薦我
到另一位Attending，這位Attending是中國心胸外科鼻祖吳英愷的弟子，在美國行醫多
年，他向我介紹了美國醫學體係和CMG Survive 的訣竅。
晌午，更多的不同專業的Attendings陸續來到莊園，刀客一一介紹。在眾俠客中，有一
位羽扇鸛巾，溫文而雅，便上前討教，方得知這便是大名鼎鼎的外科Fellow“導線”（
Guidewire），他介紹了在外科成長曆程中的經曆的風風雨雨，雖話語平淡，但無不體
現當年的血雨腥風。
在與眾俠客和“麥穗”交談的間歇，我不時端著相機，瞄準著刀客的每一瞬間，兒子
Lancet Jr則和另外一個女孩在莊園Castle裏裏外外不亦樂乎地尋找夢幻中的King，
Mrs Lancet跟在他們後麵追得滿頭是汗……
暢談中，不覺已是夕陽西下，餘輝映著刀客剛毅的古銅色的臉。由於第二天On call，
我不得不向刀客請別，喚回Lancet Jr，驅車返鄉。
晚霞投下的樹影不時地掃過車窗，一輪明月悄然躍上了地平線。 我深深為中國人考
board群體的壯大而欣然， 為中國人前所未有的凝聚力而欣然。CMG不僅數量上在壯大
，而且領域在拓寬，已涉及Orthopedic, Ophthalmology, Surgery等外國人以往難以涉
足的領域。我期待有一天中國人，作為美國少數族裔，能起到舉足輕重的角色。到那時
，Lancet Jr 一輩不在尋找夢幻中的King，而要做真正的King!
刀客莊園的鬱金香--獻給朝氣蓬勃的年輕CMG;
刀客莊園的老樹新芽--獻給仍在奮鬥的老CMG;
刀客莊園的小螞蟻--獻給？獻給兢兢業業的潛水的XDJM們吧！
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發信人: medlamb (麥地小羊), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)
Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.
Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.
For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.
For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.
For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.
For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.
I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!
I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
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發信人: swarmer (麥地守望者), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會沒有報道？
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)
估計現在很多人還沒到家吧。我們昨天算是走的早的，開到家已經半夜2點了。我跟老
公講了一路我得到的各種信息,興奮的都睡不著了。加上對隱性眼鏡的eye drop過敏，
現在眼睛紅得象個little devil,還是忍不住先到版上來看看。今天先簡單匯報一下情
況，改天我會把我得到的信息詳細寫下來，給沒來的人參考。
就像老刀說的，會議開的非常圓滿成功。老刀和其他來參加會議的醫生們，每個人都是
耐心細致，生動幽默地介紹各科的情況。尤其是老刀關於麵試問題的分析，以一貫的刀
客風格，讓大家認識到應該如何以四兩撥千斤，把對自己不利的問題轉化為表現自己能
力的機會，對我啟發很大。
我自己是聽了整11個小時，刀太準備了特別豐盛的食物，可惜我沒吃幾口，連水都沒怎
麽喝，生怕錯過了任何重要的信息，真對不起刀太啊。不過我吃到的精神大餐，足以讓
我三月不知肉味了。
感謝老刀，刀太和各位前輩們給我們提供一個這麽好的機會。如果讓我給沒來的同學們
一個建議的話，我會說：明年，一定要來。
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發信人: Chi2010 (Chi2009), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 感謝信---老刀會後
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 23:39:37 2009)
首先對老刀的精神,付出及刀夫人的支持表示本人誠摯的敬意.對參與本次盛會的每位前
輩表示由衷的感謝.對於組織協調的自願者及麥地斑竹們的辛勤勞動表示深深的謝意.對
於任何曾經以任何方式幫他人的同道表示感謝.我深深的堅信每位受惠於老刀會及麥地
的眾生將會以自己的方式將麥地的精神輻射出去.正如老刀所言:眾人拾柴火焰高.麥地
互助互愛的精神將會不斷被發揚光大.麥地聖火如同老刀點燃的篝火,將會讓更多的眾生
在漆黑的寒夜裏感受到她的溫暖與光芒.
麥地潛水員:Chi2010 2009-5-11
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發信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)
收獲很大，不少困惑和問題有了答案，豁然開朗。
申請內科/病理？不建議超過兩個科以上，主要根據興趣決定，不要把其中一科當作
backup.
PS and IV時,要強調多年research experience對於今後臨床工作是positive factor。
個人經曆不同，反正得自圓其說，總之隻有positive的,沒有negative的。
見習的作用：主要是了解美國醫療係統的運作，多多益善,不必局限於將來準備申請的
那個科。同時在見習中累積一些感人的小故事，PS and IV中有機會時講講，會比較
impressive。
全職考版的姐妹，中斷的經曆肯定是weakness.怎麽樣去彌補？合理的解釋（family
issue，spend time with kids)+多作見習。
PCP or FM, 擔心沒病人？語言上不可能超過老美，可是語言不決定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正確的診斷，耐心解釋治療方案，病人會越來越多的。
內科fellow,cardiology非常熱，一旦進去之後，將來錢途似錦。介入治療需要在三年
fellow後再接受1-3年的training.如果能夠進入acdemic hospital作住院，對將來申請
專科會有幫助。
非常感謝那麽多attending,fellow, resident的寶貴時間和精力。刀太，奔太和別的家
屬在廚房裏忙碌了整整一天，太辛苦了。
先想到這些，等別的同學補充分享。
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發信人: medlamb (麥地小羊), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 15:34:27 2009)
Just coming from the Laodao meeting, I enjoyed the meeting very much because
it cleared some of my
questions about the match. I am writing my experience on the airplane to
share with you all especially for
those people was not able to attend the meeting this year.
Overall, based on attending's talk, the road to board is hard but definitely
achievable. Do your best. You
will succeed.
For steps, never go for the test until you are fully ready. However, getting
lower scores is not the end of the
world, try to improve your other credentials.
For observer-ship, the more the better, it doesn't have to be the same
specialty you want to apply because
all of the clinical departments all integrated and you just need to know how
the system is working.
For application,go for more than one specialty if possible, you never know
which program likes you and
which is hot this year. However, if you are dedicated to one area with
strong past related experience, you
will save some time.
For interview, be prepared, research the program and their people's work,
while talking, try to tell your own
stories and cover most of the time, this way, the interviewer will have less
chance to throw hard questions
on you. Be very strong on your positive side experience, do not bring in any
negative side to let you down.
However, often time we just do not know how and why what you have just said
during interview may
negatively affect your chance---all of your past hard work may not be paid
off if you can not convince
the interviewer that you are much more better compared to other applicants
within the first five minutes.
Doing mock interviews and practice more will help.
I can not thank more enough for Laodao's warmhearted for providing this
opportunity for us to get
experience form faculty,senior, and medcareer fellows. Thanks to all the
faculty for their time. Thank Dao
Tai's great foods. Hope to see your guys again next year!
I wish I had the chance to talk to all the people over there. Welcome
everybody to share your own
thoughts and experience about the Laodao meeting. Thank you so much!
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發信人: swarmer (麥地守望者), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會沒有報道？
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 12:40:30 2009)
估計現在很多人還沒到家吧。我們昨天算是走的早的，開到家已經半夜2點了。我跟老
公講了一路我得到的各種信息,興奮的都睡不著了。加上對隱性眼鏡的eye drop過敏，
現在眼睛紅得象個little devil,還是忍不住先到版上來看看。今天先簡單匯報一下情
況，改天我會把我得到的信息詳細寫下來，給沒來的人參考。
就像老刀說的，會議開的非常圓滿成功。老刀和其他來參加會議的醫生們，每個人都是
耐心細致，生動幽默地介紹各科的情況。尤其是老刀關於麵試問題的分析，以一貫的刀
客風格，讓大家認識到應該如何以四兩撥千斤，把對自己不利的問題轉化為表現自己能
力的機會，對我啟發很大。
我自己是聽了整11個小時，刀太準備了特別豐盛的食物，可惜我沒吃幾口，連水都沒怎
麽喝，生怕錯過了任何重要的信息，真對不起刀太啊。不過我吃到的精神大餐，足以讓
我三月不知肉味了。
感謝老刀，刀太和各位前輩們給我們提供一個這麽好的機會。如果讓我給沒來的同學們
一個建議的話，我會說：明年，一定要來。
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發信人: JDJ (Step2 CS), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Sun May 10 21:50:34 2009)
收獲很大，不少困惑和問題有了答案，豁然開朗。
申請內科/病理？不建議超過兩個科以上，主要根據興趣決定，不要把其中一科當作
backup.
PS and IV時,要強調多年research experience對於今後臨床工作是positive factor。
個人經曆不同，反正得自圓其說，總之隻有positive的,沒有negative的。
見習的作用：主要是了解美國醫療係統的運作，多多益善,不必局限於將來準備申請的
那個科。同時在見習中累積一些感人的小故事，PS and IV中有機會時講講，會比較
impressive。
全職考版的姐妹，中斷的經曆肯定是weakness.怎麽樣去彌補？合理的解釋（family
issue，spend time with kids)+多作見習。
PCP or FM, 擔心沒病人？語言上不可能超過老美，可是語言不決定一切。Be nice to
patients, 正確的診斷，耐心解釋治療方案，病人會越來越多的。
內科fellow,cardiology非常熱，一旦進去之後，將來錢途似錦。介入治療需要在三年
fellow後再接受1-3年的training.如果能夠進入acdemic hospital作住院，對將來申請
專科會有幫助。
非常感謝那麽多attending,fellow, resident的寶貴時間和精力。刀太，奔太和別的家
屬在廚房裏忙碌了整整一天，太辛苦了。
先想到這些，等別的同學補充分享。
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發信人: USMedEdu (US_CMGs), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 08:46:15 2009)
寫得很好。
請注意：其實任何專業麵試官都是老道之極閱人無數的人精，2-3分鍾交談就能把你
大概看出真相和定出你水平高低範圍了的。
所以，除這裏所談的why psych? 其實是個共性問題，適用於其它一切專業，而且是
你去麵試時一定要回答得生動、準確、令麵試者信服最好能聽了你的回答，眼睛為
之一亮，感到你是“know something even deeply know about this specialty"而
且，“you are unique”！這樣，你才能stand out above other interviewees,
be that the one "we are really looking for and expect for resident candidate”
我在刀會上也主要談了WHY PATHOLOGY和見習病理為了什麽這兩個你們很多人不能深
刻理解的問題。你們必須要深思，把這類問題能真正搞懂，convince yourself, then
try to convenience interviewers!
在刀會上我模擬麵試了好幾個，說實在的，2-3句話，2分鍾之內，按實戰的結果，
你已經出局了。
因為，你連你自己都沒搞清楚WHY的問題，作為閱人無數得麵試者早就一眼看出你NOT
FIT！
dok
順便在此代刀太向各位表示感謝，尤其幾位寶媽或候補寶媽，在會議中途去買了鮮花--
玫瑰，她很高興和感動：母親節，你沒送我東西，可有人送玫瑰了。我有點灰頭土臉了。
另外，從波士頓、芝加哥和其它地區來的同學給她的禮物，讓她都很高興，
都有點覺得太讓你們破費而不好意思了。
多謝你們！
【 在 jjc (dogcat) 的大作中提到: 】
: What a great meeting! Thank Laodao for giving us such a good chance for
: meeting people.
: Since I want to go psy, I talked to two psy Drs quite a bit. My take-home
: messages are:
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發信人: wodewode (我的我的), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 10:07:17 2009)
首先感謝老刀刀太給我們準備了如此的一個盛會，感謝到會的每個人。
樓上的各位總結的很好了，加一點：
麵試的時候，要準備的很充分。醫療改革是個熱點，中美醫改的比較也是。。。
進了麵試，成績就不重要了，麵試的人看的是：hard work, 聽話，flexible，交流技
巧是最重要的。。。
那怎麽進麵試呢？很多時候小密就把你的材料甩掉了。。。這段我呼喚誰誰來詳細謝謝
。。（我聽的不全）
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發信人: droplets (滴水穿石), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 10:18:13 2009)
對於非常感興趣的PROGRAM, 要是受畢業年限之類的限製, 可以繞過小秘, 直接給PD發
信了, 要好好研究那個PROGRAM寫有針對性的信, 如果PD對你感興趣,這樣一來你的材料
就會被調出來.但是發信的人可能會很多, 所以也看運氣, 不一定總靈, 但至少可以一
試, 有內線的更好, 可以投PD之所好, 中靶的幾率更大些.
歡迎補充!
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發信人: zhongj (mimi), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 10:30:51 2009)
I came back from Laodao’s conference.Thanks very much for Laodao and Dao
tai to provide us these meeting. Your beautiful house impressed me. I
regretted that I forgot my camera; otherwise I will post your house’s
picture on my computer. When I am tired of studying I will look the picture
and study harder again.
Thanks very much for every faculty, fellow and residency who attended that
meeting. Yours help may change other people’s life.
Thanks very much for the people who were always busying in maintaining the
party. I know how hard work it is for more than 100 people’s party. I know
you are the family member of the guys who are preparing the board. Thanks
all family members who support us.
I met many famous ID on MedicalCareer, it is very excited.
The posts on upstairs like abstracts of the conference which are very clear.
It is very useful even for me because I could not get every point on the
meetion. One thing I want add is Dr. Shao mentioned that as a CMG we need
improve our pronunciation. If it is harder for the interviewer to understand
you how would they want work with you in the future years?
Thanks Laodao again.
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jjc: 老刀會歸來談PSYCHIATRY的申請問題
http://www./pc/pccon.php?id=2289&nid=85939&s=all
發信人: jjc (dogcat), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 02:52:41 2009)
What a great meeting! Thank Laodao for giving us such a good chance for
meeting people.
Since I want to go psy, I talked to two psy Drs quite a bit. My take-home
messages are:
1. Why psy? You must answer that question from your heart. Many people
think about psy because others said psy programs have less requirements
about scores and are kind of easy to get in. That's not true. If you just
use psy as back-up, people can easily find out that. Don't forget that
they are psy doctors who are really good at reading people's minds.
2. If you are really into psy, do a psy ob, match your passion with the
reality. In this way, you will find out whether psy is your cup of tea or
not.
3. Being a psy Dr, you have to enjoy talking to people. For each new
patient, you will have a talk with them at least 1-1.5 hour.
4. Be a psy Dr, you are not only a good talker but also a good listener.
Oftentimes,you have to keep your mouth shut. You are the one offering help
if people want change. But the decision has to be made by patient himself.
5. psy Dr has a good life style. BUT the psy board exam is the most
difficult one among all the board exams. It's a oral exam. It's done in a
few big psy centers. You will get a real patient for half hour interview
and then present the case and answer questions from the committee. It
certainly can be biased by people. The passing rate is about 50%(I'm not
sure about the exact number but for sure it's much lower than the internal
medicine.)
Well, that's all I can think about at this point. I may add more later.
Thanks again, Laodao! And for all people I met in the meeting, it's so
good to meet you guys.
發信人: xiaomaguohe (麥地小馬), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: Re: 老刀會歸來
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 14:56:20 2009)
very good post. a few more points about psy:
1. during the residency, you will be trained with behavioral therapy modules
for different disorders, such as OCD, depression, etc.
2. the board certificate is not required for practice NOW, but you never
know what will happen in the future, some states start to require the
certificate.
3.a good personality is good in any field. ppl with different personalities
can be good psy with professional training.
4. find yourself an American name may shorten the distance between you and
your patients.
發信人: Chi2010 (Chi2009), 信區: MedicalCareer
標 題: 感謝信---老刀會後
發信站: BBS 未名空間站 (Mon May 11 23:39:37 2009)
首先對老刀的精神,付出及刀夫人的支持表示本人誠摯的敬意.對參與本次盛會的每位前
輩表示由衷的感謝.對組織協調的自願者及麥地斑竹們的辛勤勞動表示深深的謝意.對
於曾經以任何方式幫助過他人的同道表示感謝.我深深的堅信每位受惠於老刀會及麥地
的眾生將會以自己的方式將麥地的精神輻射出去.正如老刀所言:眾人拾柴火焰高.麥地
互助互愛的精神將會不斷被發揚光大.麥地聖火如同老刀點燃的篝火,將會讓更多的眾生
在漆黑的寒夜裏感受到她的溫暖與光芒.
看來懶人的作業是不行的 even I will take step2 very soon but no excuse.
Based on the comment from Dr. Dok, the additional detailed description of
the points what I learned from the Lao Dao Hui is summarized as the
following description. As a listener and a learner, these points may or may
not exactly represent the real points that each teacher try to tell since
the limitation of my intelligence. So any different opium is welcomed and
appreciated.
1. Get in a program is more important than get a better one if you have
to choose. Most of us may not have many options.
2. Who will screen applicants for interview? PD and associated PD.
How the applicants will be screened for interview?
The score and years of graduation will be the two important factors for the
program to screen the applicants. So the score will be the only modifiable
factor, so try to get the highest score as you can. Try to apply early than
late. Fresh graduate will have higher chance even with lower scores. The
connection will help you get a chance for interview too. So try to get more
connections.
How you will be ranked by the program? You performance during the interview
and the whole package will be evaluated by individual member from the
resident recruit committee. So try your best to impress each committee
member in the positive way during your interview. However, the rank for each
applicant will be discussed on an open meeting where all the committee
members will attend, so if you have connection with someone who is in the
committee, he will speak out for you and that will significant increase you
chance to be ranked higher.
3. The first few minutes will be the most important for the whole
interview. Try to be comfortable, to be confident, and to be yourself. Try
to be perfect as you can in many aspects such as dressing, manner et al,
To be charming, humble from inside of your heart (think yourself as a “
potato”). However, still try to “show off” your strengths and shinning
points in a comfortable manner in the point of view of others.
4. How to answer the question “what is your strength and weakness?”
Such as “ Sometime, I am working too hard even forget to take a rest ”.
Always use the positive way to express your weakness instead of directly
describe your weakness. To be prepared on this kind of question.
5. Try harder, try smart, you will achieve your goal.
6. Run your own business or work as an employee after you become an
attending? You will always get paid less than what you made for the
employee. Otherwise, it is the time you will be fired. So make your own
decision.
麥地潛水員:Chi2010 2009-5-11
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