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中國和美國的稅收用來幹了啥

(2010-09-29 20:23:53) 下一個
轉一篇Business Inside: What China's Doing With Its Texpayers' Mondey上麵看到的部分內容,

中國的稅收都幹了什麽:
1. 建設一個超級現代的機場係統;2. 建一個高速列車係統連接各大城市;3. 生物學,北京基因研究機構從美國買了128 DNA係列,讓中國成了世界上研究細胞/基因的最大學術基地;4. 投資150億美元用於開發全電動汽車。。

美國的稅收做了什麽呢:
修理阿富汗。。

現在除了上網看新聞,也常常看評論,這也是網上看文章的一個好處。這篇文章後麵有83個評論,讀這些評論也是很有趣的,譬如這個叫ObaMao的美國人總要列舉一些關於中國的問題,他的點評隨便轉抄幾點過來:
1. 第三世界國家,共產黨領導(有關係嗎?)
2. 52%的家庭收入在一千美元以下(這大概說的對,也許還多呢)
3. 每100個女孩就有197個男孩,到2020年將有5千萬男人找不到妻子,。。這將是個時間炸彈(這個很可笑,真的是這樣嗎?以後女的稀罕了)
4. 多民族不穩定,曆史上都是農民暴動。。(這是找的啥理由?)

這是另一篇Amazing Photos Of The Chinese Trains Making America Look Foolish Right Now也有82個讀者點評,轉一些照片過來,

中國4300英裏高速鐵路,美國隻有382英裏:


中國的磁懸浮裏外都漂亮,時速可以達到311mph:




中國普通鐵軌列車CRH3C,時速是世界紀錄258mph:


美國最快的火車,200mph:


武漢火車站:


北京火車站,裝有3246片太陽能板:


廣州火車站:


加州州長參觀:


大量的評論就不列舉了,很多對中國的的評論是負麵的,希望以後能夠看到更多友善的評論,看到中國和美國關係變好。中國的進步是肯定的,我剛來美國的時候,很少看到中國生產的東西,現在到處都是。在中國的國慶就要來的時候,寫這篇小文祝中國國家更富強,人民更幸福。

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丁莊秀園 回複 悄悄話 隨便再看一篇文章:
Gorgeous Photos Of The Chinese Airports Putting America To Shame Right Now

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-airports-2010-10#ixzz11swLtrQS

我不是學經濟的,答不了一些問題,作為中國人,就是喜歡這些照片,和盼望國家富強
丁莊秀園 回複 悄悄話 回複5268的評論:
不知道這篇文章上來首頁,沒有回答大家請見諒。
美國的生活現在肯定還是比中國好很多,這不用解釋,但是和以前相比正如我所說:“我(82年)剛來美國的時候,很少看到中國生產的東西,現在到處都是。”有些地方(還不是個別地方)如高鐵,中國已經領先,不是嗎?以前是不可能想像的,
ITYS 回複 悄悄話 回複藍山煙霞的評論:

Please, there is really no need for further discussion here. Switching subjects to avoid responsive answer is nothing but an old trick fools no one.

Many of your additional claims or assertions and questions can be clarified by you simply within your finger tips. It's really not that hard. You've proved it prior, haven't you?

Don't tell me you have not learned what the US Mint and BEP doing daily? Again just to show how much you don't have to say rather than let others felt sorry for you. All of us are better off since who are we to judge. Thank you.
slow_quick 回複 悄悄話 回複藍山煙霞的評論:
Again, check your numbers. $13,615,674,949,267.91 debt as of Oct 8, 2010. Why do you say 外債,how do you know all of them are 外債.

I agree with you that U.S. government debt and budget are in bad shape but I do not agree with you that U.S. government mortgages its future tax revenue in return for loans from the Fed. I do not agree with you that U.S. government is paying high interest rate. I do not agree with you that the Fed holds 60% of U.S. government debt.

U.S. government does not mortgage the tax revenue to the Fed, nor does it take loan from the Fed. U.S. government directly auction its debt at market rates. At least for the time being, U.S. government's debt has very low interest rate. From the latest auctions (http://www.treasurydirect.gov): 2yr rate is about 0.441%, 5yr rate about 1.260%, 10yr rate about 2.670%, 30yr rate about 3.820%. The most recent market rates are even lower. How can you call these rates "high interest rate". Do you have a mortgage to pay? Or did you pay any mortgage before? What is/was your mortgage rate? Is it higher or lower? By how much?

According to the Fed's balance sheet (as of Oct 6, 2010, see http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/h41.htm), it holds about $2.3 trillion various assets. Within the $2.3 trillion, about $819 billion are in U.S. Treasury securities and about $154 billion in agency securities (兩房債券, I count them because the U.S. Treasury basically owns them). Where did you get 60%? Or maybe you are saying that 60% of Fed's holdings are in U.S. debt (what is the big deal then)?

I would advise that you read more main stream knowledge instead of blindly believing and quoting some conspiracy theories. Learn some basic idea about accounting (like who pays whom, what is a balance sheet), learn the difference between treasury department and central bank, learn basic idea about banking and money, learn the difference between dividend and interest. The concepts are not that hard, you just need to be patient.
可選項123 回複 悄悄話 回複5268的評論:
因為美國有更多適合人生存的土地和資源,因為美國人口比中國少,因為美國有比中國更好的基礎設施,因為美國有比中國更多的機會,總而言之就現在而言美國比中國的生活更容易。但是這並不說明美國永遠比中國強。就拿如何用納稅人的錢這件事來看,這一切正在快速此消彼長地改變著。等老中們不再熱衷於來美國的時候,美國已經完蛋了。
ITYS 回複 悄悄話 回複藍山煙霞的評論:

Thanks for the source. Now you know where went wrong, do you? Hope you read and learn for sure before drawing conclusion. It is very easy to misinterprete the content with "pre-exsting conditions". Aren't we all?
slow_quick 回複 悄悄話 回複藍山煙霞的評論:
It says "The U.S. Government receives ...", not "pays". The 6% statutory dividend is paid to member banks by Federal Reserve System, not by the U.S. Government. Federal Reserve System paid U.S. Government $45 billion in 2009, not the other way around. Federal Reserve System makes money, and after paying dividend and keeping some, it gives all the profit to U.S. Treasury.

Sorry I can't type Chinese now.
5268 回複 悄悄話 中國那麽好,為什麽那麽多人還削尖腦袋鑽美國去?
武勝 回複 悄悄話 樓主引用了一個很有意思的比較:公共建設,中國勝。這表明中國還是有社會主義優越性滴。美國政府的開支的確用在軍事上巨多。但是美國的福利-盡管在發達國家中不算好-還是比中國要好得多,這是美國比中國更社會主義的地方。看來資本主義和社會主義並非那麽不相容。
焦急等待的人 回複 悄悄話 這是一個墮落的世界,整個世界都在加速吃子孫後代的資源。
Christy_BJ 回複 悄悄話 yuan222 評論於:2010-10-07 15:56:44 [回複評論]
Then why a lot of Chinese people want to pay $80000 to come to USA?
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現在美國生活水平高不代表十年以後還是如此。至少美國與十年前的中國差距大大減少

我有很多朋友同事跟本就不願意出國的,當然也有短視的

感覺中國在為下一代投資,而美國是在吃老本,克鄰頓時代攢下的老本已經吃的差不多了,在吃下一代了

現在靠借債維持奢華生活,問題是這種生活能持續多久?誰來還帳??
yuan222 回複 悄悄話 Then why a lot of Chinese people want to pay $80000 to come to USA?
newcomer66 回複 悄悄話 Although we suffered with recent century, but China had a proud old time, and It will have a great future too.
Actually, as a chinese, every one should be proud of it.

Inventions of China!!!

In today's encore excerpt - the Renaissance in Europe owed a tremendous debt to the inventions that Marco Polo (1254-1324), his father Niccolò and his uncle Maffeo brought back to Venice from their twenty-four years of travel in China:

"[Upon their return from China], the three Polos received respect from their fellow citizens, with Marco singled out for special attention. 'All the young men went every day continuously to visit and converse with Messer Marco,' Giambattista Ramusio claimed. 'who was most charming and gracious, and to ask of him matters concerning Cathay (China) and the Great Khan, and he responded with so much kindness that all felt themselves to be in a certain manner indebted to him.'

"It is easy to understand why Marco attracted notice. The significance of the inventions that he brought back from China, or which he later described in his Travels, cannot be overstated. At first, Europeans regarded these technological marvels with disbelief, but eventually they adopted them.

"Paper money, virtually unknown in the West until Marco's return, revolutionized finance and commerce throughout the West.

"Coal, another item that had caught Marco's attention in China, provided a new and relatively efficient source of heat to an energy-starved Europe.

"Eyeglasses (in the form of ground lenses), which some accounts say he brought back with him, became accepted as a remedy for failing eyesight. In addition, lenses gave rise to the telescope - which in turn revolutionized naval battles, since it allowed combatants to view ships at a great distance - and the microscope. Two hundred years later, Galileo used the telescope - based on the same technology - to revolutionize science and cosmology by supporting and disseminating the Copernican theory that Earth and other planets revolved around the Sun.

"Gunpowder, which the Chinese had employed for at least three centuries, revolutionized European warfare as armies exchanged their lances, swords, and crossbows for cannon, portable harquebuses, and pistols.

"Marco brought back gifts of a more personal nature as well. The golden paiza, or passport, given to him by Kublai Khan had seen him through years of travel, war, and hardship. Marco kept it still, and would to the end of his days. He also brought back a Mongol servant, whom he named Peter, a living reminder of the status he had once enjoyed in a far-off land.

"In all, it is difficult to imagine the Renaissance - or, for that matter, the modern world - without the benefit of Marco Polo's example of cultural transmission between East and West."

Author: Laurence Bergreen
Title: Marco Polo
Publisher: Knopf
Date: Copyright 2007 by Laurence Bergreen
Pages: 320-321

小流星 回複 悄悄話 看到有人讚揚中國的文章總是多讀幾遍!喜歡!早晚有一天中國人能走到世界前麵最前麵。來美20年見了太多老美對亞洲人的歧視,隻要你沒長著藍眼睛黃頭發他們從心裏是不會認同你的美國公民地位的。這也是我拿到綠卡17年都不想入籍的原因,一想到要宣誓效忠美國心裏就無法接受!盼望我的祖國越發強盛!
slow_quick 回複 悄悄話 回複焦急等待的人的評論:
How does 高速磁懸浮 cause 地質災害?
slow_quick 回複 悄悄話 回複藍山煙霞的評論:
Where did you get the 6% rate? And how do you get the impression that the US government is borrowing from Federal Reserve? Please check your source and see if it is credible.

You may go to US Treasury's website and get first hand information to see what is the going interest rate there. Even the 30Yr Treasury Bond rate is below 4% (around 3.6-3.8% now). For short-term Treasury Bills, the rate is very close to zero.
焦急等待的人 回複 悄悄話 其實,中國稅收的大部分到哪裏了,大家都知道。至於樓主列舉的那些華而不實的圖片,還是歇歇吧,高速磁懸浮是個大忽悠,西方都很謹慎,非常容易造成地質災害:(
ITYS 回複 悄悄話 回複藍山煙霞的評論:

Are you implying that the US tax is used by the government to pay Fed for its loan plus interestes? If so where is the credit source, please?

Also where do you cite the Fed discount rate is 6%? Since it is so easiely obtained openly that I'm for sure prime rate is 3.25% (my company's line of credit is too at 3.25%). While at the same time Fed discount rate is 0.75%, the Fed funds rate is 0.25%. (By basic logic how can Fed discount rate be at 6% while prime rate is only at 3.25%, what a bone head as government institution to loan at 6% while Fed funds rate is 0.25%). Where is the beef? (grossly misinformed data source)

And why 這個6%的貸款利息與實際的市場貸款利率是多少完全無關? (Your broker told you? --- meant in short term) "The prime rate, as reported by the Wall Street Journal's bank survey, is among the most widely used benchmark in setting home equity lines of credit and credit card rates. It is in turn based on the fed funds rate, which is set by the Federal Reserve". Just to show how much you don't have to say.

P.S. There were no tax raised by US governmnet for Afghan war, Iraq war as well. Both wars were and are funded & sustained on borrowed money from countries like China, Japan,... etc. Want to check out? Ask your congress representative.
texas2006 回複 悄悄話 Good point!
zhu3140 回複 悄悄話 讚!!!讚我們的中國!!!!!!!
*香雪海* 回複 悄悄話 回複丁莊秀園的評論:
上一次看了關於北京堵車的美國網民評論,他們真是羨慕嫉妒狠啊,這個偏見看來是根深蒂固的,就好像他們永遠不會把你當美國人看,我想這個也是中國以後會迎頭趕上的原因,真的要謝謝這幫愚民。
丁莊秀園 回複 悄悄話 回複jennylin的評論:
那不是我的評論,是我寫的不清楚,改了一下
jennylin 回複 悄悄話 莊主好!好文!同祝願,祖國好,祖國好!
不過不明白#4。 民族問題和“農民問題”,不搭嘎吧!中國封建時期那末長,最遭罪的是農民,農民暴動地主暴?
怎莫記的法國“最愛革命“?。。。
哦和,我不常來著 (不是不敬重您,是沒時間,家裏娃還小),有事QQH.
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