bill ackman前兩天的帖子,至少代表了部分花街的觀點

本帖於 2025-04-29 18:00:43 時間, 由普通用戶 bupu 編輯
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Some have suggested that because China takes a very long-term view, China can ‘win’ a trade war with the U.S. which, according to the conventional view, is a much shorter-term player than China.
 
 
The problem with this assessment is that the longer the tariffs persist, the more rapidly every company that has a supply chain based in China relocates it to India, Vietnam, Mexico, the U.S. or some other country.
 
China has to understand this dynamic, which is why it should be highly incentivized to make a trade deal as quickly as possible. Unless it is clear that a company can continue to source from China on economically viable terms, it must leave the country.
 
The longer high tariffs persist, the greater the likelihood that no company can be confident it can rely on China for sourcing or production over the long term. This is true for US and non-US companies. As a long-term player, China must understand this dynamic.
 
 
The China tariffs are very damaging in the short term to companies that rely on China for a large percentage of their goods or for parts to make their products. This is particularly true for small companies who don’t have the wherewithal to weather the storm. If the tariffs were to persist, our government could provide loans to help companies manage their transitions out of China, but I don’t think this will be necessary.
 
The tariffs are similarly damaging for medium-size and large businesses, but their greater financial resources allow them to better manage the tariff burden until they can relocate production outside of China.
 
In light of the above, both China and the U.S. are highly incentivized to take the tariffs down to more reasonable levels — say 10% to 20% — as quickly as possible. The only thing stopping the reduction in tariffs to a more sensible level is the fear on the part of both countries’ leadership of looking weak.
 
 
A pause, however, would not be a sign of weakness because it requires both countries to take down their tariffs. It is just common sense.
 
Both countries know that the 145% tariffs have to come down now. They are just trying to manage the diplomacy in such a manner to make clear that it is a mutual decision as opposed to one country ‘going first’.
 
So let’s imagine the U.S. and China agree to a 180-day pause to allow for negotiations to take place.
 
 
Once the pause is announced, China would be highly incentivized to make a deal as quickly as possible, whereas we have time on our side. This is true because the longer the tariffs persist, the greater the reputational damage to China as a reliable country in which to do business, and therefore the higher the probability that US and non-US companies will leave.
 
 
A lower level of tariffs in the short term will enable companies to better manage the transition out of China. It is a near certainty they will leave unless and until a new and highly favorable deal is made with China. Even then, no company will be confident it can rely on China for a major portion of its supply chain. That cake is already baked.
 
 
There is no board of directors or management team who will ever again feel comfortable relying on China for a major portion of their supply chain. The damage has been done.
 
 
The only hope for China as a place to do business is for China to immediately come to the table and make a deal which provides permanent commitments addressing IP theft, forced technology transfer, market access restrictions, tariffs, and other barriers to doing business in China.
 
If instead China stubbornly decides to hold out and not negotiate due to pride or other emotional issues, China will suffer that much more severe and permanent economic consequences. In China holds out, I expect we will launch a loan program to enable US companies to better manage the exit from China.
 
 
Time is the friend of the US and the enemy of China’s in this negotiation.
 
 
A pause and negotiations should therefore begin soon. Tell me why I am wrong.
 

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個人意見,不爭論:什麽亂七八糟的。 -TalkToMi- 給 TalkToMi 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:00:43

lol,主要是樓下退堂鼓提到持久戰,我就想起來前兩天看到這哥們的帖子,應該是部分花街大佬認為持久戰美國占優勢 -bupu- 給 bupu 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:02:42

還是個人意見,不爭論:美國精英對中國人的了解讓人目瞪口呆。 -TalkToMi- 給 TalkToMi 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:08:02

他是花街裏和川普關係不錯的, 也是在幫著帶節奏, 催中國談判, 他自己心裏想的不一定和他說的一樣 -testmobile- 給 testmobile 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:17:04

通俗說,就是忽悠。 -TalkToMi- 給 TalkToMi 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:25:24

LOL,我有相同的評論,亂七八糟,完全基於作者自己的想象。美國人不懂中國人,而且總是自以為是。 -淺路明- 給 淺路明 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:15:48

他還是認為中國在對美貿易中賺了很多錢 -maniac63- 給 maniac63 發送悄悄話 (603 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:05:33

虧損還開著是學雷鋒?打工賺不到幾個錢為什麽還要做?事實顯然不是這樣 -晚春123- 給 晚春123 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:09:57

1)解決就業 2)有美金可以購買海外資產 3)有機會打造自己的產業。現在基本目的都達到了,如果搞得好的話,脫不見得會吃虧 -souledgeii- 給 souledgeii 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:49:24

你炒股的不知道為什麽公司虧損還開?openai為啥沒倒閉? -maniac63- 給 maniac63 發送悄悄話 (128 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 19:36:05

我和你說youtube被穀歌收購以後虧損了好多年才賺錢你是不是不相信? -maniac63- 給 maniac63 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 19:36:49

時間對美國有利就應該堅持打下去 ,把中國打垮。而不是搞什麽綏靖,習的智囊不是傻子 -littleshadan- 給 littleshadan 發送悄悄話 littleshadan 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:07:49

時間有利,那應該極限施壓,切斷電話線! -TalkToMi- 給 TalkToMi 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:09:12

電話線不必切斷,但態度必須堅決。現在給人的感覺,仗剛剛開打,天天喊話要各退一步 -littleshadan- 給 littleshadan 發送悄悄話 littleshadan 的博客首頁 (215 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:16:32

大批失業和皇帝的麵子哪個大,當然是麵子大 -晚春123- 給 晚春123 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:13:30

我不認爲失業是大問題,脫鈎是早晚的事兒,廠商沒有遠慮必有近憂,升級產業才是大計。 -souledgeii- 給 souledgeii 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:51:09

順便提一句,上次90天暫緩的消息前兩天,這哥們就在x上發推說應該有個90天暫緩;這個帖子裏麵又提到中美180天暫緩。。。 -bupu- 給 bupu 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:10:05

Trump提議緩刑180天,他臉麵何在?market得先跌死給他看,他才有借口轉向。 -淺路明- 給 淺路明 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:18:13

股市暴跌他不顧顏麵轉向,又給人抓一次他的軟肋。早知今日何必當初,不如10%起步,一點點往上加。 -太陽從西邊出來- 給 太陽從西邊出來 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:22:23

那到不會,他麵子跟包子有一拚,怎麽都是贏,不存在丟麵子一說 -rossyyy- 給 rossyyy 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 20:55:00

阿克曼算小圈子內的,他4/7半夜抓狂的時機正好是這次的底 -dividend_growth- 給 dividend_growth 發送悄悄話 dividend_growth 的博客首頁 (102 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 19:59:22

bill ackman疫情時上cnbc哭鼻子,讓人覺得這是個傻比。接下來幾天他賺了很多,這裏的人一輩子都賺不到那麽多錢。 -sadboys- 給 sadboys 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 04/29/2025 postreply 18:36:53

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