三人行必有我師: CRCL股價分析

本帖於 2025-11-05 17:31:28 時間, 由普通用戶 曉炎 編輯
 
三人行必有我師: CRCL股價分析(1)
注:最後的結論可能在今天討論以後改變,如有改變,我會寫個簡單的CRCL分析(2)
 
 
昨晚我在獅山的一個貼裏半開玩笑半認真地說:“我準備對CRCL下重手,現在倉位太小,price @105”.
 
薄少帥以他一貫四兩撥千斤的方式回複我:“多重?往死裏整那種? 我對 CRCL 盈利能力有懷疑…. CRCL靠短期債劵的利息掙錢, this set up the ceiling of their profit“.
 
三心接著善意提醒我:“CRCL 要當心。 USDC circulation growth has slowed down significantly in Q4. It grew from 61M to 74M in Q3, 20% growth. But now, in Q4, it has barely moved, currently at 75M. CRCL could miss its earning if USDC stays at this level in Q4”.
 
獅山以他嚴謹的態度認真道: “今年3月份60B, 11月初75B, growth在一個高的base下確實slow down但是USDC is outpacing Tether's USDT in on-chain activity and growth in market capitalization. … JPMorgan analysts reported that USDC is outpacing Tether's USDT in on-chain activity and growth in market capitalization (72% increase for USDC vs. 32% for USDT in a specific period leading up to late October 2025).  “
 
我讀了他們三位的高見後,心想,下一步我該做什麽呢?How to make my decision based on the information I got? 於是決定先認真做個作業吧,把他們仨的觀點綜合起來,想清楚後先。CRCL是前不久剛剛IPO的公司,我沒有數據做詳細的FA,於是決定請教Grok AI, 然後把AI的分析和建議整理出來,也把我的想法分享於此,期望能大家探討!請一定不要不響,悶聲不響的人是發不了大財的,根據我的經驗LOL
 
1, 分析薄少帥的inputs,我請教Grok AI: How does CRCL generate its revenue, and what are the factors that set up its ceiling of profit?
 
答案-1: CRCL是怎樣賺錢的—— 
a) interest income on reserves (75-80% of total revenue): USDC, a stablecoin created by CRCL is always pegged 1:1 to the US dollar, and every USDC in circulation is backed by real USD cash or short-term US Treasuries held in regulated banks.
b) Transaction and service fees (15-20% of total revenue): fees from processing payments, transfers, and settlements via CRCL’s APIs, wallets and payment rails.
c) Other (5% of total revenue) which includes partnerships such as rev-sharing with exchanges like Coinbase where CRCL co-manages USDC; yield-generating products like institutional lending and emerging services in tokenized assets; and minimal from direct crypto trading or investments
 
答案-2: 哪些是影響CRCL賺錢的因素—— 
a) Interest rate (primary ceiling): 80% of revenue is rate sensitive. Profits peak when short-term rates are high (5%+ yields on T-bills) but compress if the Fed cuts rates. A 1% rate drop could shave 15-20% off annual profits.
b) USDC circulation growth limits: revenue scales with USDC supply but adoption is capped by competition from USDT (Tether) and emerging stablecoins; crypto market volatility and regulatory hurdles.
c) Operational and compliance costs: high fixed costs (40% of revenue) for audits, legal and tech infrastructure to maintain; margin squeezed by R&D; and economic & geopolitical factors such as crypto winter or recession….
 
我的總結(bottom line) ——  there are only 3 ways for the ceiling moves: (1) higher short-term rates, (2) higher USDC circulation growth,  and (3) lower operating expenses。第一條不樂觀,從現在的跡象看降息是大勢所趨;第二條請看三心和獅山下麵的說法;第三條,降低Opex至少現階段沒指望。
 
2, 分析三心的inputs,我請教Grok AI: Is the following statement correct: “USDC circulation growth has slowed down significantly in Q4. It grew from 61M to 74M in Q3, 20% growth. But now, in Q4, it has barely moved, currently at 75M. CRCL could miss its earning if USDC stays at this level in Q4”?
 
答案如下:Yes, the statement was spot-on and backed by real-time data——
a) Q3 2025 $61B (start) to $74B (end), 7% monthly growth; Q4 (Oct 2025) $74B (start) to $76B (end), 2.5% monthly growth; and it dropped 4.5%
b) From 7% to 4.5%, this is a more than 50% dropped! 
 
我的總結(bottom line)—— Q4 growth may suck, at least at this point, unless it catches up in the next 2 months! If USDC’s circulation growth keeps at this pace, CRCL will miss its circulation guidance by miles and its Q1 2026 earnings will be ugly! 三心的提醒切中要點,USDC circulation growth 不容樂觀!
 
3, 分析獅山的inputs,我請教Grok AI: Ok, in this case (based on Question#2), how do you rationalize the following statement: the USDC monthly growth based on $74B is a higher bar comparing to $61B, yes, it did slow down. However, JPMorgan analysts reported that USDC is outpacing Tether's USDT in on-chain activity and growth in market capitalization (72% increase for USDC vs. 32% for USDT in a specific period leading up to late October 2025), and with this in mind, what do you expect CRCL’s stock price for the next 3-6 months?
 
答案如下:perfect question, you just asked the exact thing every hedge-fund manager is whispering right now. 
a) Short answer, 72% vs 32% is real and Q4 slowdown is also real. 
b) Tho while “slow-down” and “out-pacing USDT” are the same movie, yet different frames. The JPM’s 72% (USDC) vs 32% (USDT) is 100% correct and 100% irrelevant for USDC’s Q4 earnings.
c) The worst and the best cases:
- P10 (worst): 50 bps cut causes circulation flat at $76B. Assume investors will take 28x PE and stock price around $65
- P50 (natural): 25 bps cut causes circulation increasing to $80B. Assume investors will take 35x PE and stock price around $118
- P90 (best): 25 bps cut + Trump’s Crypto Bills, causes circulation increasing to $85B. Assume investors will take 38x PE and stock price around $140
 
Grok AI 的建議—— 
(1) stay in cash (or stay put at a small position like my $105/per), 
(2) on December 15, check Circle’s homepage for “Dec mints”, then make your move for the next 3 months (momentum trading).
 
我的推理和決定——
1) 從短線的角度來看,最好的情況下明年Q1 CRCL的股價可以達到$140左右,但我不做短線
(2) 從長遠來看,我暫時看不到CRCL有更大的發展空間(尤其是circulation growth這一塊)和更強的掙錢能力, 我決定在現有價格賣出CRCL, 把這部分資金投資到更好的公司上。
 

所有跟帖: 

B不是M 你的推理沒有考慮如果Tether上市估值5000億美元對Circle估值的重新思考有傳聞Tether年底前上市 -lionhill- 給 lionhill 發送悄悄話 lionhill 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:08:22

謝謝獅山兄!這就是我需要的指正,請闡述Tether上市會怎樣影響CRCL? -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:10:07

我的博客上有兩篇專文分折,任何投資決定都要全方位考慮你列出的隻是一小部分 -lionhill- 給 lionhill 發送悄悄話 lionhill 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:12:58

能否請給個links, 這樣我可以進一步思考我的決策,謝謝;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:14:13

這兩篇 -lionhill- 給 lionhill 發送悄悄話 lionhill 的博客首頁 (7379 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:15:12

謝謝!認真讀過後一定告訴你我的想法;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:17:56

還有兩篇分析降息環境下對Circle的影響 -lionhill- 給 lionhill 發送悄悄話 lionhill 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:17:43

一起給我呀;)我今天晚上就讀! -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:18:41

自己去找吧,今晚還有別的事 -lionhill- 給 lionhill 發送悄悄話 lionhill 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:35:01

好的;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:38:24

CRCL不買,將來要是錯過就錯過。 -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:13:02

no reasons? ;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:14:50

有,但不知道怎麽說,lol. 等我想想,晚些回複,現在得出門。 -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:17:44

哈,我怎麽覺得你的決定裏說的理由夠充分的 -dancingpig- 給 dancingpig 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:23:35

我的還是bog的結論? -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:25:18

你的啦 :) -dancingpig- 給 dancingpig 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:28:29

哦,但獅山給了我另一些資料,我得好好研究一下再下最後結論;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:32:24

還有一個邏輯問題 -620Oaks- 給 620Oaks 發送悄悄話 (100 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:32:46

這個問題應該在你那篇文章裏呀;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (48 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:36:48

嗯。她已經寫了很多了, 其實要叫我買進一個股票不容易,要有充分的理由我自己能理解透徹才能買, -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (230 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:56:45

at the end of the day, 隻需a handful of winners and that would -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (93 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:11:05

Great point bog! 薄少帥最近推薦的FIX和EME 我可是兩天就各漲了$50/share哦,橡樹的IREN -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (119 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:16:06

我也不進我沒有真正conviction 的公司!同道! -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:17:18

是,其實也不是太複雜,當你發現winner時,時不時增加股數就是了 -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (216 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:49:52

smart gal;) 不過我還是以ETFs為主,那個比較簡單。但分析個股, -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (222 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:54:09

哈,你這句“優質資產買跌不買漲”早進我的小筆記本了。我不買ETF,隻買個股,所以護城河得寬一些 -dancingpig- 給 dancingpig 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:22:42

我外公和媽媽經常叨叨的,就這麽記住了,哈哈 -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 21:15:27

說得很對,我一般同時就隻持有幾個股票,太分散了並無好處 -007爸爸- 給 007爸爸 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:21:12

是的, 隻有精簡,才有可能了解的很清楚。 -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 21:16:49

這長篇大論的, -620Oaks- 給 620Oaks 發送悄悄話 (39 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:24:44

LOL 掃膛腿等著你! -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:25:54

謝謝分享! -文心蘭1- 給 文心蘭1 發送悄悄話 (24 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:26:11

榮幸 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:27:57

Adding some of my thoughts -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 三心三意 的博客首頁 (674 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:38:34

Thanks so very much! Your 1st paragraph is exactly what I -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (41 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:43:05

the 2nd one is something I don’t know, -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (78 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:44:07

Actually I have another question, hope someone can answer it -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (104 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:45:37

Two hypothetical examples would pump CRCL by 20% in a day -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 三心三意 的博客首頁 (163 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:55:28

Great point! Gotcha, thanks;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:57:29

我自己的想法,這兩點算是最終目標,中間多半需要漫長的博弈和政府進一步法規規範化,從資金效率上現在投早了些 -dancingpig- 給 dancingpig 發送悄悄話 (267 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:17:05

很有道理!“打臉”不是因為你不rational 而是市場是不理性的,人性是貪婪的, -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (227 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:19:48

是的 -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:01:46

估計多少能step in,你之前提到的80? -hvhp- 給 hvhp 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:52:32

哪個80?哦,三心早上說的80!其實p10/50/90都是毛估估, -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (60 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:59:27

我不做短炒,但覺得p10的那個80,90,應該是比較好的短炒價格 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:01:23

你的決定非常好,跟我想法一致,CRCL我隻短炒賺個10%就跑了 -HappyWed- 給 HappyWed 發送悄悄話 (30 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:46:06

是的,是的,我們的APP啊 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:47:00

三心上麵的留言裏就有一條,短炒的人確實可能賺一筆;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 17:47:54

曉炎的分析太棒啦!短炒可能賺一筆的https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/cfzh/30468.html -常青美- 給 常青美 發送悄悄話 常青美 的博客首頁 (290 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:18:18

謝謝你!一定認真拜讀!大家一起分享,我也學到很多 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (167 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 18:21:04

excellent article. 另外一個問題是 -薄利多收- 給 薄利多收 發送悄悄話 (262 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:21:15

哈!終於等來薄少帥了,我先得好好謝謝你,你推薦的 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (341 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:27:57

恭喜恭喜。 是你自己做的好。 -薄利多收- 給 薄利多收 發送悄悄話 (218 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:43:27

謝謝少帥!很不好意思,我們家的車子都是先生管,我隻管開,還經常 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (305 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:55:09

和你分享一篇我寫的關於車子的文章,你就知道車子對我的“意義”了;) -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (7065 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:02:26

好文,讀起來賞心悅目 -薄利多收- 給 薄利多收 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:08:50

我對車完全沒感覺,豪不豪對我一個樣 -007爸爸- 給 007爸爸 發送悄悄話 (192 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 21:47:41

我車技很差,對車沒感覺。基本是司機開的,那種大保姆車, -bogbog- 給 bogbog 發送悄悄話 bogbog 的博客首頁 (100 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 22:13:13

確實車安全最重要,我也很少開車,車技也不咋樣。 -007爸爸- 給 007爸爸 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 22:38:36

三心在上麵的留言裏提到了一個有趣的觀點,也是你覺得更是CRCL的 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (559 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:33:05

我自己還有個問題覺得CRCL很難改變的,就是 -曉炎- 給 曉炎 發送悄悄話 曉炎 的博客首頁 (169 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:35:52

對於這個問題,我覺得投行/銀行 自身 insertia 太大,可能還是要跟這些新興的公司合作 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 三心三意 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:57:27

還有一個問題就是,JPM自己的穩定幣不會被GS接受的,CRCL做中間商可能反而更有效 -三心三意- 給 三心三意 發送悄悄話 三心三意 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 19:58:56

是,這些 business model 都需要時間檢驗 -薄利多收- 給 薄利多收 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/05/2025 postreply 20:13:51

CRCL今天大跌,是樓主拋售CRCL引起的嗎? -hvhp- 給 hvhp 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 11/06/2025 postreply 07:33:11

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