What could Paul Ryan possibly be winning, seriously?

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I had lots of fun last night, thanks to the vice presidential debate. Instead of wine, I had some scotch, as if there wasn't enough fire in the debate. After the debate, talking heads called it a draw, and various news polling had Ryan leading.

I checked the amount of alcohol I consumed, and was sure that I wasn't drunk and not even 微醺. Then I was seriously baffled and deeply troubled. What could Paul Ryan possibly be winning, at all? All the focus was on Biden's smirks or condescending tone. Was Joe extremely rude or violent? Did he call Ryan names? Did he lie about Ryan's position? The answers are no, but then why is his smirk more important than everything else?

This is supposed to be a political debate, and it should be about facts, logic, and debaters' ability to deliver the message, while maintaining a civil manner. This is NOT a contest of "can you stand my stupidity?". Then, how in the world, would you "win" a debate because your opponent smirked?

Frankly, 4 years ago, I didn't think Obama was up to the job, because he wasn't experienced of anything at all, not because of McCain's facial expression. 4 years later, Obama didn't deliver great result in economy and job market, although he was constrained by 2 wars and the blew up of financial crisis. I can totally understand the notion that people want some change, to see whether others can do the job better. But we are talking about "winning" the debate here. When I see comments like "this guy is nice enough for me to hang out with, or have a beer with", my blood is boiling. Bush junior won because "he's good to have a beer with", and the whole world saw what that criteria turned out to be.

Libya was not a pretty picture for sure, and Biden couldn't talk the administration out of it. But Romney/Ryan didn't know what to do either. Iran's nuclear ambition is certainly a concern, but the "we shouldn't wait for Putin to give us green light" line was just laughable. Tax cut, job creation, and deficit reduction, wouldn't be achieved at the same time, miraculously, just because Romney/Ryan "promised" to close loopholes, while they are sitting on the most gigantic one!

When pressed by both Biden and the moderator on how and what to cut, Ryan kept repeating himself, but he was basically saying, I don't know, but I will, please look at my ugly face and trust me.

Politics is about winning more people, or simply put, hijacking people, for lacking of better term. Whenever Ryan started about "small businesses", Biden cut him off by differentiating 97% of the small businesses weren't the ones Ryan was actually referring to. He sounded rude, I agree. But I think he did the right thing. Obama was too passive and allowed Romney to dictate the debate flow, and allowed him to let false information or perception to set into people's mind. Biden did the right thing by not allowing that hijack. His message was clear, we have already hijacked those people with real money, you can't do it by blurring the definition with empty words.

Attacking or disagreeing with Obama's policies all you want, but ask yourself, what has Ryan offered last night? Let me recap for you:

Ryan - "You did it all wrong!"
Bidne - "What would you do differently?"
Ryan - "I don't know what and how, but I will achieve that rosy picture. There will be no pain, all gain for you!"
Biden smirks
Ryan - "I win!".
Media - he wins!

People, please wake up! Put down whatever you are smoking, it ain't healthy. Everyone should have some kind of ambition or belief that you want to improve and you can improve yourself and your situation. You shouldn't hope that the whole nation dumb down so that you can feel good about yourself.

In a debate, when your opponent doesn't have any clue about what's he's talking about, and still poses as a proud ignorant person, you might want to control yourself NOT to punch his ugly face, but you are certainly entitled to dismiss him with a CONDESCENDING TONE!

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他輸了?沒覺得,那個主持是女士,不支持再打仗。 -看熱鬧的北京人- 給 看熱鬧的北京人 發送悄悄話 看熱鬧的北京人 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:04:11

一個戰爭,一個墮胎,當著女主持談肯定很困難,不輸才怪。 -看熱鬧的北京人- 給 看熱鬧的北京人 發送悄悄話 看熱鬧的北京人 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:13:28

biden blew up himself. he was more forceful ang a bit more subst -quantnj- 給 quantnj 發送悄悄話 (104 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:21:46

有點過於討好老頭老太的意思。其實那樣也不公平,給人“我吃定你了”的感覺。 -gendaito- 給 gendaito 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:10:53

obama was weirdly passive and biden was weirdly aggresive -quantnj- 給 quantnj 發送悄悄話 (56 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:15:50

頂W總雄文!在總結陳述前我就覺得拜登完勝了。我注重的是辯論的內容的本身。 -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (231 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:20:27

選民們太蠢是民主的最大威脅,LOL。 -lilipp- 給 lilipp 發送悄悄話 lilipp 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:24:48

lili真覺得選民太蠢? -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:27:20

覺得ryan表現好,不是蠢? -lilipp- 給 lilipp 發送悄悄話 lilipp 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:29:34

show the budget plan, how to reduce the deficit. -lilipp- 給 lilipp 發送悄悄話 lilipp 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:32:29

如果能專門調查中間獨立選民的看法,結果一定會相當有意思:)) -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:43:07

我本身就是一個沒拿定主意的選民,和和。你呢?:)) -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:25:39

拉票! 選Rommy 吧! 要不要傳單?俺們的前州長喔。 -lilipp- 給 lilipp 發送悄悄話 lilipp 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:31:13

就是啦。。。。 -lilipp- 給 lilipp 發送悄悄話 lilipp 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:36:16

Did you vote for the "Internet founder" Gore, and "flip-flop" Ke -Warsteiner- 給 Warsteiner 發送悄悄話 Warsteiner 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:42:39

我對08也不滿意。但是覺得共和黨實在無法認同。 -lilipp- 給 lilipp 發送悄悄話 lilipp 的博客首頁 (39 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:33:45

我也在看。Romney搞經濟可能會略強一些,這也是我拿不定主意的根本原因。 -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:40:57

RYAN成了CRYING BABY. 或者是RYAN的支持者。嗬嗬。同意你的看法。 -蒙得- 給 蒙得 發送悄悄話 蒙得 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:27:00

在中間獨立選民中,願意思考問題的人比例很高。他們會更偏重辯論的實質內容。 -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:34:20

都是08的錯。他太meek。 -lilipp- 給 lilipp 發送悄悄話 lilipp 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:20:39

O8那場辯論確實不在狀態。還有兩場,到時看吧! -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:38:48

本來嘛, 選總統就是看人是不是比較討人喜歡。 這是為啥O8還是會贏的原因。 -sleepdonkey- 給 sleepdonkey 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:36:49

假設投票之前,需要通過一個基本知識考試, 隻有考過的人才有資格選舉。 -sleepdonkey- 給 sleepdonkey 發送悄悄話 (31 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:39:06

經濟上Romney可能略強一些。但當總統要有比較全麵的素質,我覺得O8 overall更強。 -老看客- 給 老看客 發送悄悄話 老看客 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 08:50:23

哦8 對經濟是一頭霧水,和romeny比, 差距很大。 其他方麵,o8的演講從來都是缺乏邏輯。 -sleepdonkey- 給 sleepdonkey 發送悄悄話 (246 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 09:05:56

CBS辯論後的民意調查是Biden 50% vs Ryan 31 -野生動物攝影家- 給 野生動物攝影家 發送悄悄話 野生動物攝影家 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 10/12/2012 postreply 09:47:22

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