sienna LE 06的刹車問題(續)

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周一做了bleed break fluid,有空還要按壇子裏資深的話再做一遍。目前上路沒有負麵影響。現在懷疑的是助力係統,其原理還不懂。

sienna的刹車行程估計約3.75英寸。踩下第一寸,怠速往前滑動的車可以停止;第二個一寸,有可聽見的空氣出來的聲音;第三個一寸,出氣聲明顯(象聲:“出”或“尺”);最後0.75“,抬腳用力時感覺好點,光靠腳尖難點。行程過長。這些基本是在怠速前滑下試驗的。

注意是下踩時出聲。我想在40邁以上恐怕是最後0.75“才能刹死車,這之前的出氣沒任何好處。booster破了?如何檢查?正常情況助力係統的氣壓平衡如何工作的?看來管子太細行程沒法縮短。

中午我再補充一下,關車是是否一直可以踩下3.75”。

與GS300比,記得40邁左右是第一個一寸沒啥感覺,然後很靈敏又不過分(三菱有點過分),估計全行程2”車就刹死了。

網上有sienna刹車門還沒引起重視:http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0fa178/0

linea

Oct 23, 2006 (3:16 pm)

My Sienna 2005 experience intermittent complete brake failure 3 times within 18,000 miles,the brake pedal goes to the floor and it does not slow down, so I coast until I stop. However, when I release the brake pedal and then reapply the brakes, it works fine. A non-Toyota mechanic thinks it's due to malfunction of ABS. The dealership is unable to finds error codes and brakes work fine when the Sienna is in their hands. I scared that the brakes will not work the next time I reapply the brakes.
Has anyone else experience similar problem or have suggestings?。。。

Thanks for the suggestions. They have bleed the brake system and check the master cylinder, but Van brakes continue to fail intermittently.

by ckirk

Feb 08, 2010 (11:57 am)

Replying to: linea (Oct 27, 2006 5:39 pm)

I have experienced brake failure with 2004 xle awd. With no for-certain previous brake issues, in Nov, on totally dry street, was at 15-20mph when neighborhood dog strolled in front of us. I pressed brake progressively harder as the van barely slowed and the dog waddled just out of the way as we stopped just past him/her with brake pedal now to the floor.
   I had had an experience last winter on the freeway when I slammed on the brakes to avoid pile-up and the van seemed to be slowing gradually. I hadn't noticed ABS pulsing and wondered at the time if the brakes were working properly. I'm not sure about last years event, but the dog was for certain brake failure. Dealer said he couldn't duplicate failure and all was well with pads, etc;
   I've searched internet and have found linea's experience to be closest to mine. Any one else?

jeffst

Mar 01, 2010 (11:51 am)

Replying to: ckirk (Feb 08, 2010 11:57 am)

I've had a similar experience and just filed a complaint with the NHTSA. You should do the same if you haven't already done so.
 
I have a 2005 Sienna XLE. It happened just last week, once to my wife and once to me while trying to stop at an intersection. The road was not slick. I pressed the pedal as hard as possible. No ABS pulsing occurred. The pedal did not sink to the floor despite the amount of pressing. I also tried pumping the brakes as I slowwwly came to a halt.
 
The brakes have otherwise worked fine. Since the problem is intermittent, my mechanic is having problems diagnosing the problem. He thinks it may be a vacuum issue. Have you had a diagnosis yet?

  by victor23

May 28, 2010 (7:18 am)

Replying to: audit2000 (May 22, 2010 9:33 am)

The brakes on my Sienna 2005 felt mushy since the day one. Quite many other people reported the same feeling.
 
Actually I am much more irritated by a very rapid wear of both front and rear pads, I have to change them every 10-15k miles in a mostly "suburban" driving, and as far as I could gather, this is also pretty typical for Sienna. I think maybe its Camry-like brakes are just inadequate for a minivan. Or maybe this is the electronic brake distribution thing, like with newer Honda Accords. This second hypothesis might explain why not everybody experienced this (not all Siennas were equipped with this option back then). Anyway, can't wait to see the reports about brakes of a next generation Sienna.

by lbiz

Jul 01, 2010 (12:11 pm)

Brakes would just not catch and hold. 13,600 miles on car. Toyota forensics said I was going 73mph AND braked 5 secs b4 impact adn was going 40 mph at impact. Would not stop by the time I reached stop sign and I hit another vehicle. Sienna caught on fire and a passerby pulled me from the vehicle. Boyfriend had broken back and neck. Grandson in second seat unhurt. Toyota forensics also indicated some problem with the brake. I crushed both feet trying to stop and in hospital a month. Even if toyota forensic are correct, shouldn't a vehichle go from 73 to 43 mph in 5 secs. Then the brakes so hot they caused the van to catch on fire. Any one else have problems with Sienna brakes?


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找找你的手冊,看有沒有說parking brake如何測試 -滿地找牙- 給 滿地找牙 發送悄悄話 滿地找牙 的博客首頁 (612 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 10:11:00

前閘剛換不久,曾換過鏽死的guide pin -chinomango- 給 chinomango 發送悄悄話 chinomango 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 12:31:50

rotor............... -滿地找牙- 給 滿地找牙 發送悄悄話 滿地找牙 的博客首頁 (206 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 14:27:39

我認為,如果你的guide pin都鏽死過,你的rotor必然磨損嚴重 -滿地找牙- 給 滿地找牙 發送悄悄話 滿地找牙 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 14:47:54

rotor據換刹車的盆友說還行,我看很光亮有點紋路,高度差多少才算不好? -chinomango- 給 chinomango 發送悄悄話 chinomango 的博客首頁 (136 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 14:58:18

caliper沒有鏽沒覺得有問題。pads接近平了是有響聲才去換的。 -chinomango- 給 chinomango 發送悄悄話 chinomango 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 15:01:32

Pin鏽死了,pad又很薄的話,bracket會磨偏。你不是修後輪嗎,啥時候前麵又鏽死了? -BigV8- 給 BigV8 發送悄悄話 (77 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 21:56:24

同意找牙。如果guide pin鏽死過,估計閘盤也差不多廢了。 -polyGM- 給 polyGM 發送悄悄話 (70 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 20:34:52

刹車時不應當聽到或感覺到“空氣出來的聲音”,根據你的描述, -polyGM- 給 polyGM 發送悄悄話 (127 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 20:04:20

我第一次回他的貼就說有可能是這個問題 -biglow- 給 biglow 發送悄悄話 biglow 的博客首頁 (102 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 20:23:25

樓主問題點麵居多,有點暈。我猜MC可能性比較大 -polyGM- 給 polyGM 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 21:01:32

這個是正解,MC中的一個活塞壞了 -yyang3- 給 yyang3 發送悄悄話 (0 bytes) () 06/02/2012 postreply 20:50:22

他說要改,我看進步不大。 -BigV8- 給 BigV8 發送悄悄話 (414 bytes) () 05/30/2012 postreply 22:41:19

回複:他說要改,我看進步不大。 -vicliyz- 給 vicliyz 發送悄悄話 vicliyz 的博客首頁 (81 bytes) () 05/31/2012 postreply 15:26:29

Victor人不錯,是我搞不清要換啥,好像都要換,rotor,mc,助力,後輪,排氣 -chinomango- 給 chinomango 發送悄悄話 chinomango 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/31/2012 postreply 21:53:54

GS300也有空氣聲不過是抬腳的時候,除行程靈敏度外風格類似 -chinomango- 給 chinomango 發送悄悄話 chinomango 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 05/31/2012 postreply 21:55:59

你說的空氣聲,會不會是刹車踏板下麵的彈簧,(和其它機械部件)壓縮和彈起聲? -iammadaboutu- 給 iammadaboutu 發送悄悄話 iammadaboutu 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2012 postreply 08:43:27

不是金屬聲,是空氣活塞或細微摩擦聲,可能許多車有,至少GS300也有 -chinomango- 給 chinomango 發送悄悄話 chinomango 的博客首頁 (0 bytes) () 06/01/2012 postreply 19:34:43

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