Is this a forum purely for 4x4?
How do you define "good vehicle"?
honestly speaking, if you are not bloody rich, don't you care about MPG?
Camry/Accord has been number selling sedan in north america for years, if they are "BAD", do you mean millions of customers are wrong?
Do you think that only you, the "CHOSEN" one are smart enough to define what "GOOD" is?